Twitter: Machota: Romo changed play on 3rd and goal play; Dez didn't know

[superonyx]

They didn't change their play.

It makes absolutely no sense that the defense would choose to double cover Dez Bryant and then, because of a Tony Romo audible, completely change gears overload the right side and blitz, leaving Dez Bryant single covered 15 yards from the next nearest defender.

The defense ran the same play they had called when the Cowboys originally got to the LOS. It was never double coverage. It just looked more like it because the offense wasn't overloaded to one side. Once the offense overloaded, it exposed the single coverage.

Even as the defense had originally line up, even if it had been double coverage, before Romo's audible, the safety was too far away to make any sort of play on the ball. He would have had to covered 10-15 yards in 2-3 seconds. It's physically impossible.

The ball should have gone to Bryant. Period. There is no amount of bickering, or stubborn bullheaded, unsound reasoning that will change that. He was isolated before the audible and even further isolated after it.

So a NFL safety cant cover 10-15 yards in 2-3 seconds? You should know this isnt true. I can cover 10 yards in 3 seconds and I am not an NFL safety.

You say the ball should have gone to Bryant period.......So lets say your inside source that told you the safety was blitzing was wrong....Lets say the safety wasnt blitzing and was instead rolling to Dez...Then should the ball still have gone to Dez? If it would have and it would have been picked off then all of the Romo bashers would be posting how stupid he is for throwing into double coverage.

You say he was isolated before yet this is based on your judgement that the safety could be blitzing. Meanwhile Romo read that the safety wasnt blitzing.....Any particular reason we should believe you over Romo?

 

[TheDude]

Ok here we go again... The defense never changed? First of all you have absolutely no way of knowing what the defense was going to do before the audible. Secondly you have absolutely no way to say the defense shifted and kept the play the same.

You say its fact and logic yet your argument fails on both Facts and Logic.

Blitzes are designed to minimize risk while maximizing the chances of getting to the QB. Do you seriously believe that the defense would shift their formation like they did yet leave the play the same? This would never happen. Shifting your defense would always change the play in the case of a blitz. It isnt even debatable. Come on man seriously. No team will shift defensive formations and leave the same blitz assignments. That would completely expose them in bad places.

Not to get in the middle, but have you seen the coaches film replay?

 

[texbumthelife]

Not to get in the middle, but have you seen the coaches film replay?

Lord have mercy please tell me you have it. He clearly needs to see the play a few more times from beginning to end.

Im through. I can't argue against such doggedness.

 

[texbumthelife]

Here is a picture by picture breakdown:
http://i776.***BLOCKED***/albums/yy49/ddooling/RomopreAudible_zps8d1c7447.png
This is the play pre-audible. As I watch the film, he never once even looks Dez's way prior to snap. He sees the Chiefs crowd the LOS and, as he did in the fourth quarter, becomes a little rattled and goes to the audible.
http://i776.***BLOCKED***/albums/yy49/ddooling/RomoduringAudible_zps56a500f1.png
Here is Romo as he is mid-audible. Romo waves his hand at Dez. At this point he should/could clearly have seen the coverage. There is no defender other than Flowers who has any chance to make a play on a throw to Dez.
http://i776.***BLOCKED***/albums/yy49/ddooling/MurrayShift_zps1964c561.png
Murray shifts across the formation. This could have been do to the audible or Romo could have changed the protection in addition to changing the play.
http://i776.***BLOCKED***/albums/yy49/ddooling/DefenderFollowsMurray_zpsba3534cd.png
The defender, who is assigned man coverage on Murray, due to the blitz, has followed Murray across the formation.
http://i776.***BLOCKED***/albums/yy49/ddooling/PostAudibleB4Snap_zps01cc6a0f.png
Here is Romo post audible (we know this because of where Murray is lined up). At this point he should have seen coverage on Dez when he "relayed the audible". He snaps the ball almost immediately after this shot (Fox drops the playclock from the screen so I used this cap). So, he had roughly 6-7 seconds. Is this enough time to relay an adjustment to Dez? That is pure opinion. I think it was more than enough time.
http://i776.***BLOCKED***/albums/yy49/ddooling/BallSnapped_zps2b340f25.png
Immediately following the snap, the blitzers begin their rush. Romo fakes the draw to Murray, which sucks his defender into the play. Everyone is locked into either zone blitz coverage or man to man. Either way, Dez is clearly still single covered.

I don't know what else to do if this can't convince you. Romo made several errors on this play. I think some of it was due to the previous sack and penalty on first and second down, but most of it was do to his reaction to KC showing blitz. He got flustered, just like he did in the fourth when we were driving for the win.

There are a lot of excuses anyone can make for Romo. I could come up with a handful all by myself. The fact of the matter is, this play was solely on him. He made more than one bad decision and it may have cost us six points.

You have to trust you best offensive weapon in that situation. When you don't trust players to make plays, you throw safe, two-yard patterns and try to nickel and dime your way down the field. That's exactly what we did as an offensive unit and it is the greatest factor in why we lost this game.

 

[TheDude]

Here is a picture by picture breakdown:
http://i776.***BLOCKED***/albums/yy49/ddooling/RomopreAudible_zps8d1c7447.png
This is the play pre-audible. As I watch the film, he never once even looks Dez's way prior to snap. He sees the Chiefs crowd the LOS and, as he did in the fourth quarter, becomes a little rattled and goes to the audible.
http://i776.***BLOCKED***/albums/yy49/ddooling/RomoduringAudible_zps56a500f1.png
Here is Romo as he is mid-audible. Romo waves his hand at Dez. At this point he should/could clearly have seen the coverage. There is no defender other than Flowers who has any chance to make a play on a throw to Dez.
http://i776.***BLOCKED***/albums/yy49/ddooling/MurrayShift_zps1964c561.png
Murray shifts across the formation. This could have been do to the audible or Romo could have changed the protection in addition to changing the play.
http://i776.***BLOCKED***/albums/yy49/ddooling/DefenderFollowsMurray_zpsba3534cd.png
The defender, who is assigned man coverage on Murray, due to the blitz, has followed Murray across the formation.
http://i776.***BLOCKED***/albums/yy49/ddooling/PostAudibleB4Snap_zps01cc6a0f.png
Here is Romo post audible (we know this because of where Murray is lined up). At this point he should have seen coverage on Dez when he "relayed the audible". He snaps the ball almost immediately after this shot (Fox drops the playclock from the screen so I used this cap). So, he had roughly 6-7 seconds. Is this enough time to relay an adjustment to Dez? That is pure opinion. I think it was more than enough time.
http://i776.***BLOCKED***/albums/yy49/ddooling/BallSnapped_zps2b340f25.png
Immediately following the snap, the blitzers begin their rush. Romo fakes the draw to Murray, which sucks his defender into the play. Everyone is locked into either zone blitz coverage or man to man. Either way, Dez is clearly still single covered.

I don't know what else to do if this can't convince you. Romo made several errors on this play. I think some of it was due to the previous sack and penalty on first and second down, but most of it was do to his reaction to KC showing blitz. He got flustered, just like he did in the fourth when we were driving for the win.

There are a lot of excuses anyone can make for Romo. I could come up with a handful all by myself. The fact of the matter is, this play was solely on him. He made more than one bad decision and it may have cost us six points.

You have to trust you best offensive weapon in that situation. When you don't trust players to make plays, you throw safe, two-yard patterns and try to nickel and dime your way down the field. That's exactly what we did as an offensive unit and it is the greatest factor in why we lost this game.

That is exactly what th film shows.the safety was never closer to dez than frame 1 pre-audible.

 

[texbumthelife]

McLovin, does that play look like it may have been a read-option WR screen? Sort of like Chip Kelly runs? It really looks like it to me. Romo even seems to watch the DL as he puts the ball into Murray's chest and then quickly fling it outside when he sees the whole line collapse.

Watch the video and let me know what you think. I am contemplating tweeting a DC.com guys about it.

 

[TheDude]

McLovin, does that play look like it may have been a read-option WR screen? Sort of like Chip Kelly runs? It really looks like it to me. Romo even seems to watch the DL as he puts the ball into Murray's chest and then quickly fling it outside when he sees the whole line collapse.

Watch the video and let me know what you think. I am contemplating tweeting a DC.com guys about it.

It did have that look, but murray had to pick up the ilb an romo didnt really " read" many "keys"... more of a quick fake.

I think reid had seen and expected that play from that formation from philly days. Too many got to ball too quick.

I think there are tendancies other teams have keyed on.

 

[TimHortons]

Here is a picture by picture breakdown:
http://i776.***BLOCKED***/albums/yy49/ddooling/RomopreAudible_zps8d1c7447.png
This is the play pre-audible. As I watch the film, he never once even looks Dez's way prior to snap. He sees the Chiefs crowd the LOS and, as he did in the fourth quarter, becomes a little rattled and goes to the audible.
http://i776.***BLOCKED***/albums/yy49/ddooling/RomoduringAudible_zps56a500f1.png
Here is Romo as he is mid-audible. Romo waves his hand at Dez. At this point he should/could clearly have seen the coverage. There is no defender other than Flowers who has any chance to make a play on a throw to Dez.
http://i776.***BLOCKED***/albums/yy49/ddooling/MurrayShift_zps1964c561.png
Murray shifts across the formation. This could have been do to the audible or Romo could have changed the protection in addition to changing the play.
http://i776.***BLOCKED***/albums/yy49/ddooling/DefenderFollowsMurray_zpsba3534cd.png
The defender, who is assigned man coverage on Murray, due to the blitz, has followed Murray across the formation.
http://i776.***BLOCKED***/albums/yy49/ddooling/PostAudibleB4Snap_zps01cc6a0f.png
Here is Romo post audible (we know this because of where Murray is lined up). At this point he should have seen coverage on Dez when he "relayed the audible". He snaps the ball almost immediately after this shot (Fox drops the playclock from the screen so I used this cap). So, he had roughly 6-7 seconds. Is this enough time to relay an adjustment to Dez? That is pure opinion. I think it was more than enough time.
http://i776.***BLOCKED***/albums/yy49/ddooling/BallSnapped_zps2b340f25.png
Immediately following the snap, the blitzers begin their rush. Romo fakes the draw to Murray, which sucks his defender into the play. Everyone is locked into either zone blitz coverage or man to man. Either way, Dez is clearly still single covered.

I don't know what else to do if this can't convince you. Romo made several errors on this play. I think some of it was due to the previous sack and penalty on first and second down, but most of it was do to his reaction to KC showing blitz. He got flustered, just like he did in the fourth when we were driving for the win.

There are a lot of excuses anyone can make for Romo. I could come up with a handful all by myself. The fact of the matter is, this play was solely on him. He made more than one bad decision and it may have cost us six points.

You have to trust you best offensive weapon in that situation. When you don't trust players to make plays, you throw safe, two-yard patterns and try to nickel and dime your way down the field. That's exactly what we did as an offensive unit and it is the greatest factor in why we lost this game.

Superonyx is arguing that the safety was covering Dez pre audible, but this film clearly disproves that since the safety is all the way on the other hash mark. At no point whatsoever was Dez double covered, thus making this play Romo's fault.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

And reading my posts completely before replying seem to be your issue.

Look, your post is not that complicated and the words are not that big. I understood what you said. I don't agree.

Agree to disagree. It's about as much as you are going to get in this thread.

 

[Zman5]

Look, your post is not that complicated and the words are not that big. I understood what you said. .

Yeh sure man. If you says so. I don't agree you did.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yeh sure man. If you says so. I don't agree you did.

Whatever. I'm sure everybody cares about who agrees with what.

Agree to disagree.

Have a nice day.

 

[Zman5]

Whatever. I'm sure everybody cares about who agrees with what.

Agree to disagree.

Have a nice day.

Yep. Have a good one.

 

[texbumthelife]

Last word!

 

[dstovall5]

@Zman5
@ABQCOWBOY

Neither of you shall get the last word! I will get the last word in this conversation, muhaha.

 

[Zman5]

@Zman5
@ABQCOWBOY

Neither of you shall get the last word! I will get the last word in this conversation, muhaha.

Oh No you don't.

 

[Staubacher]

Here is a picture by picture breakdown:
http://i776.***BLOCKED***/albums/yy49/ddooling/RomopreAudible_zps8d1c7447.png
This is the play pre-audible. As I watch the film, he never once even looks Dez's way prior to snap. He sees the Chiefs crowd the LOS and, as he did in the fourth quarter, becomes a little rattled and goes to the audible.
http://i776.***BLOCKED***/albums/yy49/ddooling/RomoduringAudible_zps56a500f1.png
Here is Romo as he is mid-audible. Romo waves his hand at Dez. At this point he should/could clearly have seen the coverage. There is no defender other than Flowers who has any chance to make a play on a throw to Dez.
http://i776.***BLOCKED***/albums/yy49/ddooling/MurrayShift_zps1964c561.png
Murray shifts across the formation. This could have been do to the audible or Romo could have changed the protection in addition to changing the play.
http://i776.***BLOCKED***/albums/yy49/ddooling/DefenderFollowsMurray_zpsba3534cd.png
The defender, who is assigned man coverage on Murray, due to the blitz, has followed Murray across the formation.
http://i776.***BLOCKED***/albums/yy49/ddooling/PostAudibleB4Snap_zps01cc6a0f.png
Here is Romo post audible (we know this because of where Murray is lined up). At this point he should have seen coverage on Dez when he "relayed the audible". He snaps the ball almost immediately after this shot (Fox drops the playclock from the screen so I used this cap). So, he had roughly 6-7 seconds. Is this enough time to relay an adjustment to Dez? That is pure opinion. I think it was more than enough time.
http://i776.***BLOCKED***/albums/yy49/ddooling/BallSnapped_zps2b340f25.png
Immediately following the snap, the blitzers begin their rush. Romo fakes the draw to Murray, which sucks his defender into the play. Everyone is locked into either zone blitz coverage or man to man. Either way, Dez is clearly still single covered.

I don't know what else to do if this can't convince you. Romo made several errors on this play. I think some of it was due to the previous sack and penalty on first and second down, but most of it was do to his reaction to KC showing blitz. He got flustered, just like he did in the fourth when we were driving for the win.

There are a lot of excuses anyone can make for Romo. I could come up with a handful all by myself. The fact of the matter is, this play was solely on him. He made more than one bad decision and it may have cost us six points.

You have to trust you best offensive weapon in that situation. When you don't trust players to make plays, you throw safe, two-yard patterns and try to nickel and dime your way down the field. That's exactly what we did as an offensive unit and it is the greatest factor in why we lost this game.

Definitely not the greatest factor in losing. First off it didn't cost 6 points like you said it MAY have cost 4 we made a FG. Secondly, while going to Dez was the best call there it wasn't a guarantee Romo completes a fade pass or if it's a quick hitter/slant that Dez makes the end zone.

A mistake not to go to Dez, yes. But we were still up 6 points after the FG so how did it cost the game. Saying it hurt momentum or whatever is not proof. The biggest play that 100 percent cost points was the Dunbar fumble. The KC recovery and return put them in FG position and directly (not assumption, fact) gave KC 3 points. We lost by 1. I'd put the Dez drop above it also since it was either a FG or even TD if he catches it.

Regardless, Romo should have found Dez there and he will learn from it. It's not like he has been shying away from Dez he just missed it there and i highly doubt it happens again.

It's way past move on time and worry about the Rams

 

[dstovall5]

Honestly, you really can't pin-point one play in that game and say it's "why we lost this game". I mean you can, but it really wouldn't be an accurate statement, because there were many plays that cost us big that game.

We had 2 dropped gimme interceptions, 2 careless fumbles, a crucial dropped pass, a misread in the endzone, stupid penalties, and there's plenty more to go on about. I don't see how you could point to one of those plays and say, man that play cost us the game. Even the Dez Bryant drop that possibly could've went for 6, it hurt the team tremendously, but there were many other mistakes adding up to that moment.

 

[texbumthelife]

Definitely not the greatest factor in losing. First off it didn't cost 6 points like you said it MAY have cost 4 we made a FG. Secondly, while going to Dez was the best call there it wasn't a guarantee Romo completes a fade pass or if it's a quick hitter/slant that Dez makes the end zone.

I never said it was the greatest factor in us losing, nor did anyone else. So I don't know where you got that. It did potentially cost us six points. We may have recouped some of those, but we didn't get six on the play. Nothing is a guarantee, thats impossible to argue. No one guaranteed anything. However, if its the best matchup and the best option, it should have been exploited.

A mistake not to go to Dez, yes.

That's all I have said all along. All this other mess you're trying to use to make whatever point it is you're trying to make, is all coming from your mind.

But we were still up 6 points after the FG so how did it cost the game.

Where did I say it cost us the game? Again, you're imagining/assuming things that haven't been said.

Saying it hurt momentum or whatever is not proof.

While I never said it killed momentum, another argument your fabricated, I will bite because it's pretty easy. ANYTIME you leave points on the board, it hurts you. Period. No, it wasn't a guarantee, but I shouldn't even have to qualify that. That's pretty well established. I shouldn't have to speak in such elementary ways.

The biggest play that 100 percent cost points was the Dunbar fumble. The KC recovery and return put them in FG position and directly (not assumption, fact) gave KC 3 points. We lost by 1. I'd put the Dez drop above it also since it was either a FG or even TD if he catches it.

Ok, what does that have to do with this thread? Read the thread title? The thread is about this play in particular. That's why we are discussing it.

It's way past move on time and worry about the Rams

Did you or did you not just come into this thread, chime in with your two cents, most of which completely unfounded as I just pointed out, and then say we shouldn't be discussing it any more?

 

[texbumthelife]

Honestly, you really can't pin-point one play in that game and say it's "why we lost this game". I mean you can, but it really wouldn't be an accurate statement, because there were many plays that cost us big that game.

Who did that? I must have missed it...

 

[dstovall5]

Who did that? I must have missed it...

I was referring to -

"You have to trust you best offensive weapon in that situation. When you don't trust players to make plays, you throw safe, two-yard patterns and try to nickel and dime your way down the field. That's exactly what we did as an offensive unit and it is the greatest factor in why we lost this game."

I misread it, I thought you were talking about the misread by Romo, but it seems like you were just talking about our play calling throughout the game. As for the trust thing, that's not an issue so I don't really see why you brought that up, because it's very obvious Romo has trust in Dez Bryant.