Regarding Linehan

[jobberone]

"We've been in negotiations most of the year off and on and neither party feels any urgency to get something done now. We're all working on playing football and when we're done with that we'll turn our attentions to other matters."

 

[TrailBlazer]

"We've been in negotiations most of the year off and on and neither party feels any urgency to get something done now. We're all working on playing football and when we're done with that we'll turn our attentions to other matters."

Translation: Jerry's gonna wait till after the season to make a decision on the future of JG in Dallas.

Put up or shut up.

 

[jobberone]

Translation: Jerry's gonna wait till after the season to make a decision on the future of JG in Dallas.

Put up or shut up.

It also gives them an out to renegotiate a deal after the season. The point is they can say something in almost any circumstance to smooth the edges. Perception will not sway things one way or another....IMO.

 

[EST_1986]

Who cares as long as we win

 

[visionary]

I think Jerry is going to have a hell of a time trying to sell the fan base on an extension for Garrett if we miss the playoffs again. I really cant see Jerry calling a press conference and handing Garrett a fresh new extension just after missing the playoffs for the 4 consecutive season.

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isnt that what people said when 2013 season started?

you have made a lot of great points in your posts above and i agree with most of what you have said

i have said it before and will say it again:

1. For jerry, it is not an issue of performance. jerry is about 2 things: ego and money, period. he is already making a ton of money so it is purely an issue of EGO and saving face. unless the team completely tanks, garrett is not getting fired and will get an extension based on some sleight of hand and misdirection like "building a team", "going in the right direction", or "first year on dfense" and on and on.

2. For the usual suspects on CZ, it is also a matter of a) ego (because their football knowledge legitimacy and cowboys fandom is hitched to the garrett bandwagon) or b) hope and believe and faith ie almost a religious discussion. In either instance, facts have no place here, only "if this" and "if that" and "even then".

 

[visionary]

We're not going to agree on Garrett, but I wouldn't dispute anything you say here. At some point, the won-loss record matters. He was lucky to get this fourth year.

good one
i can see the skid marks from here

 

[Idgit]

good one
i can see the skid marks from here

As usual, you're seeing things that aren't there, visionary.

 

[visionary]

As usual, you're seeing things that aren't there, visionary.

that is what being a visionary is all about

i can see that you are trying desperately to reposition yourself in the middle so that no matter what happens with garrett you can say that is what you "always thought would happen". youre just hitting the breaks a little cause you see that train coming.

 

[Seven]

I pray for the day Jerry isn't the owner, Garrett is long forgotten, and we are winning again.

A soul has been alrerady sold. It may take an excorcism.

 

[OhSnap]

I bet you if he runs the ball and we are more effective, everyone will say, "See, garrett couldn't do it and we should have had an OC sooner, and Jerry did a great job brining in Linehan"

if he ends up passing more and sticking tot he passing game, the same group will say, this was the guy that garrett wanted and he wanted him to run his pass happy offense, and he put another nail in his coffin.

this is what you call a lose-lose situation.

and I am sure somebody will call me a Pro-Garrett fan, which I am not. just stating how its going to work out.

IF theres any success then most likely the stories that Garrett has hired his own staff will gain traction and become more believable. I think it's highly unlikely anyone says Jerry did a great job about anything Jerry ever does concerning any team year ever for the Cowboys and the first time Linehan has a three and out without running the ball he will be declared a failure and anything short of a super bowl victory will not change the minds of those that hedge their bets based on the likely hood of continued failure. If the defense doesn't get better fast the play calling will be the same and the 4 year funeral that has been Garretts stint as HC will continue with Linehan being chunked in the grave with him.

 

[Alexander]

Like I said in my post, name me one head coach in the NFL in the last 15 years that missed the playoffs 4 consecutive seasons in a row and was rewarded with a new contract.

He basically is another version of Marvin Lewis. But even Lewis at most had three consecutive losing/8-8 seasons and have one redeeming one that would save him for a year or so.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You just answered your own question. The fact that a new OC is being brought in and given carte blanch over play calling tells you all you need to know about the job Garrett is doing.

If your boss hired a new employee to start doing your work for you, do you think it is because he likes the job you are doing?

Pretty obvious the organization doesn't think Garrett can call the plays and be an effective head coach at the same time................probably all of his game day blunders (which Jerry acknowledged as "mistakes") has something to do with their thinking here. Sean Payton, Andy Reid, and Chip Kelley can all call plays and manage the game at the same time, Garrett cant.

of in fact Jerry hired linehan, without garrett's input and put him there (like he did with Callahan), then you are correct. But its no secret or surprise for coaches to hire their staff. if Garrett hired him, then its a different story. coaches, changes their organization and coaches all the time.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I can see your point completely. I believe the real issue will be rather or not if the defense can finally stop opposing teams. If that happens, then you can run the offense any which way you like. However, to just reply to your point, I would rather run the ball effectively, eat up the clock when it's practical to do so.

I agree. the problem isn't really the offense, despite what everyone wants to think. the problem is the defense and a head coach also is responsible for its performance. but when jerry meddles, he tends to convolute the problem. was it jerry's fault for firing ryan and deciding to go to a 4-3 and bring in kiffen? or is it garrett?

 

[Idgit]

that is what being a visionary is all about

i can see that you are trying desperately to reposition yourself in the middle so that no matter what happens with garrett you can say that is what you "always thought would happen". youre just hitting the breaks a little cause you see that train coming.

Or...perhaps it's possible to both think a coach is a good coach and to still understand that what he's doing does actually have to be measured on the field at some point. And you're just pretending otherwise because you get too wrapped up in 'sides' in arguments and pay too little attention to what's actually ever said to really contribute much more than personal insults or accusations.

Whether Garrett's ultimately successful in Dallas or not, I'm still going to think he's a good coach. Just like I did about Mike Zimmer when he was let go, and just like I thought about Wade Phillips' work as a coordinator when he was let go. And, for the record, I think it's more likely Jason Garrett is extended and coaches here a long time than that he flames out and is let go after this season.

 

[Beast_from_East]

of in fact Jerry hired linehan, without garrett's input and put him there (like he did with Callahan), then you are correct. But its no secret or surprise for coaches to hire their staff. if Garrett hired him, then its a different story. coaches, changes their organization and coaches all the time.

Highly unlikely Garrett demoted himself in my opinion.

Also the fact that Garrett kept interfering with Callahan and wouldn't let him just run the offense the way he wanted (per Jerry), indicates that this is not all Garrett's decision. Would not make sense for Garrett to promote a guy to OC and then keep bothering him.

Most logical explanation is that Jerry wanted a change and Linehan was a compromise.

 

[Alexander]

Interesting statistic for those of you interested in that sort of thing, just did not feel like it deserves a thread:

Rowan Kavner ‏@KavnerDC 3h
Interesting -- Cowboys finished w/ 4th least unique Off. lineup. That is, they had fourth highest % of plays featuring most common lineup

 

[cml750]

Look, I know this can go on forever, and you can believe the Earth is flat if you want to. But what evidence is there for Garrett "showing more backbone" and having any more special or positive influence than any other coach?

In fact, you could make the argument he's shown less backbone than anyone else. Did Jerry march down on the field during a game to tell any other coach to take out the starting QB? No. Did he yank playcalling away from any other coach not once but twice? No. Did he fire the brother of any other coach? No. Did he call any other coach a trainee and admit that he'd made numerous coaching mistakes that cost us games? No.

Said it before and I'll say it again: If we had a coach who did the exact same things on and off the field but who was named John Smith, who went to school at Western Arizona, and who was a career backup for the Cardinals and not the Cowboys, people wouldn't be seeing all these imaginary positive qualities. But people want to believe, so they do.

Bravo!!!! Post of the year!!!!

 

[Idgit]

Highly unlikely Garrett demoted himself in my opinion.

Also the fact that Garrett kept interfering with Callahan and wouldn't let him just run the offense the way he wanted (per Jerry), indicates that this is not all Garrett's decision. Would not make sense for Garrett to promote a guy to OC and then keep bothering him.

Most logical explanation is that Jerry wanted a change and Linehan was a compromise.

I'd say it's more likely that Garrett was on board with handing over the play calling (he probably didn't like it, but if his boss wanted more organization/attention on the defense, he didn't have much choice), that he didn't like the way it worked with Callahan for whatever reason, and he and Jerry took advantage of the ability of Linehan to bring in someone they thought would be able to deliver closer to what Jason wanted in the first place.

I don't consider it a demotion for the HC to be spending his time elsewhere, and I don't consider it likely to have been a compromise when Jerry let him take the play calling back (reportedly) for the second Giants game and then they made a permanent change after the season. It's much simpler to believe they didn't like the results they got with Callahan but still wanted Garrett focussing elsewhere and so they made a change.

 

[Brooksey]

I'd say it's more likely that Garrett was on board with handing over the play calling (he probably didn't like it, but if his boss wanted more organization/attention on the defense, he didn't have much choice), that he didn't like the way it worked with Callahan for whatever reason, and he and Jerry took advantage of the ability of Linehan to bring in someone they thought would be able to deliver closer to what Jason wanted in the first place.

I don't consider it a demotion for the HC to be spending his time elsewhere, and I don't consider it likely to have been a compromise when Jerry let him take the play calling back (reportedly) for the second Giants game and then they made a permanent change after the season. It's much simpler to believe they didn't like the results they got with Callahan but still wanted Garrett focussing elsewhere and so they made a change.

He didn't like the results they got with Callahan? Come on were 5th in offensive points per drive dude, I thought we were a powerhouse offense, you know one of the best in the league.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Highly unlikely Garrett demoted himself in my opinion.

Also the fact that Garrett kept interfering with Callahan and wouldn't let him just run the offense the way he wanted (per Jerry), indicates that this is not all Garrett's decision. Would not make sense for Garrett to promote a guy to OC and then keep bothering him.

Most logical explanation is that Jerry wanted a change and Linehan was a compromise.

how could a head coach demote himself? he is still the head coach!. did he come to the realization that he wanted an OC? or was it that he didn't like any of the OCs that were available? it was no secret that he didn't want Callahan as the OC. he had prior relation with Linehan and perhaps that was the reason. or is this a jerry move, setting everything up. if it succeeds, its a win for him. if it doesn't he will point that he gave the coach everything he wanted and they just need to go in a different direction (which is a load of bull crap anyway). its jerry being jerry. I believe linehan is a garrett hire.