Jones Says Record Won't Be Deciding Factor For Garrett

[tantrix1969]

And it was because they built an identity and stuck with it, and it was the same identity Noll believed in.

Garrett is TRYING to establish that here. He's scraped the roster down, and he's trying to build it up. Can we not just see it through?

Hiring a new coach, then another, then another.....that's not the answer. There is no fix until an identity is established. It takes time.

The answer isn't to stick with mediocrity either, continuity at the hc position in the salary cap era comes from them showing something tangible early

 

[TheDude]

lol, can you just either discuss the topic or just move on? I don't understand why we have to have so many goofball characters on here that post as if they're hearing voices in their heads. I'm sorry for soliciting your opinion on poor old Wade. No need to reply. You win.

Awesome

 

[TheDude]

The fact that this gloried franchise actually hired Barry Switzer, Chan Gailey, Dave Campo, and Wade Phillips sickens me to the core. At least Garrett was an "up-and-coming" bright mind. The others were tired, old retreads with no resume.

Such a great post, I woudl only add "thought to be" after the bold

 

[Zimmy Lives]

There are a lot of good arguments both ways -- fire him if he does not win, and keep him around if progress is made.

I think wins matter most but I would consider giving Garrett another year (regardless of the record) if I see competitiveness each week; young player development; and, good (not great) sideline presence and game management.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

There are a lot of good arguments both ways -- fire him if he does not win, and keep him around if progress is made.

I think wins matter most but I would consider giving Garrett another year (regardless of the record) if I see competitiveness each week; young player development; and, good (not great) sideline presence and game management.

I would agree if I saw all these mental mistakes stop. That's just what gets to me. It's the same thing over and over again. If we are 8-8 and it's because of our schedule and we actually beat some good teams and the offense is pretty good and the defense is improved then why not?

 

[Zimmy Lives]

I would agree if I saw all these mental mistakes stop. That's just what gets to me. It's the same thing over and over again. If we are 8-8 and it's because of our schedule and we actually beat some good teams and the offense is pretty good and the defense is improved then why not?

Agreed. I'd would also consider the home record as well. Good teams win at home.

 

[jobberone]

You almost feel sorry for some of these guys who feel they have to go to these extremes to defend a mirage because they have tied their internet football credibility to it

If we ever luck into a 9-7 season under Garrett, look out, the chest thumping and preening will be out of control

As opposed to your constant chest thumping about how bad the Cowboys, Jerry and Garrett are. Again...whether or not you are a Cowboys' fan...you sound like a fan of another team.

We won't get into the constant spin and all or nothing thinking of the overwhelming vast majority of your posts.

 

[Hostile]

There was also improvement each year. Losing those final games to our divisional rivals three straight years is just baffling. The clock management is the same way. He should be getting better at it.

It isn't baffling to me when I see the injuries.

 

[Nav22]

That wasnt the point of my initial response though..."Imagine if he said "I no longer talk about personnel or coaching situations. I am here to remove all obstacles that hinder this organization from not achieving goals" and then made like most gms and stayed out of sight"

The media plays him because they know they can get a quote from him because he loves attention. He is addicted to microphones.

This affliction (which is allowed in the Bill of Rights} does nothing to help the team remain focused on football. Should it be a distraction? maybe not. But why give the media ammo like the "Callahan will takeover play calling duties",, "Garrett is my traiinee", etc. I mean the Hernandez story is about as crazy as anything Ive seen in the NFL. The press tried to make it a Pats story even after he was cut and Belicheck and Kraft would havev none of it. Zero comment.Zero ammo. Jerry has to retract more comments than anyone I have ever seen. While he is a smart businessman, undoubtedly, he has no self awareness and he has a buffoonish reputation from his own hand

Then shouldn't you be happy that he DIDN'T give the media any ammo this time around? Why is he getting slammed for giving the vanilla answer regarding Garrett's job security?

The funny thing is if he said what so many of you are wishing he said ("Garrett's gone if we miss the playoffs"), then those same fans would slam him for opening his big mouth and giving the press too much.

 

[Idgit]

...If it's such a simple blueprint to follow, why don't all teams do this? Just hire some guy, let him stay on until he's ready to go... He can be the worst coach in the league for years, never win a game, etc. Sounds great.

It actually *is* a simple blueprint. It's just dependent on having the right guy in the first place. Teams don't do it more often, because the downside of being wrong on the coach is high. Too high for the tenures of most GMs.

But if Jerry thinks he's got the right guy, I don't see why it's such a stretch that he would do it. And I think the supposition here--since it's Jones' comments we're talking about--is that Jerry does, indeed, think he's got his guy. Irrespective of the not-quite-good-enough records the last three seasons. That's why the negative reactions to the HC topic are as strong as they are.

 

[jazzcat22]

Finally got through all these posts.
Leave it to JJ to make a few comments, and have a 9 page a 171 post count to this point for his and Jason's entertainment. LOL

Somehow I can see them sitting back, having a few cold beers, and laughing.....

 

[Idgit]

You almost feel sorry for some of these guys who feel they have to go to these extremes to defend a mirage because they have tied their internet football credibility to it

If we ever luck into a 9-7 season under Garrett, look out, the chest thumping and preening will be out of control

Or...he just disagrees with you about whether the problems in Dallas are with the head coach or are somewhere else. Either way, these sorts of passive/aggressive digs at other posters do you no favors, visionary.

 

[jobberone]

I think Jerry's generally happy with the direction of the team right now and really likes Garrett. I don't think it's ego-based posturing at all. (I mean, Jerry's ego affects all his decisions, but I don't think it's particularly invested in Garrett right now).

If Jason doesn't lose the team, it sounds to me like an extension is likely.

But, like any deal in the league, there's no reason to extend before it becomes necessary. There's information that will come this year that will define any extension that might happen, so we'll wait and see how things look at the end of the year unless they look so good he decides to lock it up mid-season. You never know. Jason could lose the team outright, or Harbaugh or someone like him might come available and alter your plan. We'll just have to sit tight and see how the defense plays this season. It is fun watching people try to justify what they want to see happen in light of yesterday's Jerry-speak.

Speaking of which, he was about as incomprehensible as I've ever heard him yesterday. Just painful to listen to.

I agree. Many are happy with the direction of the team but there is a day when the rent is due. I don't think it's this year or maybe next but....relatively soon. I have no idea if we will see an improved record this year or not. Depends on Romo and the defense. But I hope to see progress...enough to matter.

 

[TheDude]

And this is the reason for staying the course. It will pay off in time because they are building the right way and not the Jerry way. Jerry wants success now and I think it finally got thru his thick head you can't buy it and you can't normally luck into it.

I do think Jerry's ego is involved as it likely is most areas of his life. Just not so much now.

Although I enjoyed our converesation about this in a previous thread, I cant write that much again - I think we know our positions but I don't think I ever understood the declarative statements like "building it the right way". Maybe I need to read these (and forgive if I lump you here) as tagged with -IMO. But many supports seems to think its a foregone fact.

So look I like the Online additions - late or not. But you have to have decent talent across the board and 80/20 90/10 rule - you need a qb.

I look at the online in 2000 and it wasn't bad. The defense under campo and zimer wasn't thus bad. Aikman was getting older and got knocked out of the league. 5-11 seems understandable.

Do I think jerry has moved away from trading 2 #1s for a wr...probably. But it was the failure that caused it. Do I think he he is as or more likely to think he can replace Romo with a 3rd rd or lower qb or likely UDFA than a top pick? Yes..because after his Henson, hutch, carter , Steve Carlton experiment he hit paydirt.

The defensive line is being rebuilt by necessity and embarrassment, just like the online recently. The argument that " the building blocks " are some Garrett led culture change that only garret can do or influence just doesn't hold.

General comment replied to you since it was a recent topic we discussed

 

[TheDude]

12-30 < 24-24 last I checked.

Just saying.

I havent seen you try to be this disingenuous before. Why?

 

[Idgit]

I agree. Many are happy with the direction of the team but there is a day when the rent is due. I don't think it's this year or maybe next but....relatively soon. I have no idea if we will see an improved record this year or not. Depends on Romo and the defense. But I hope to see progress...enough to matter.

Wins are an important part of the HC retention question. For any team. But they obviously aren't the *only* part of that equation. We all agree, though, I think, that the wins are necessary and that it's past time that this team qualifies for playoffs under Garrett.

When I listened to Jerry's deranged rambling yesterday, during the section where he was talking about essentially shedding future veteran contracts and bringing in more young talent, it sure sounded to me like the team's got a short-term plan under the current administration that extends beyond this year.

Truth be told, in the Romo interview few weeks back where he alluded to making a real push at a championship, maybe not this year but in the near future, I thought the same thing.

Might be wishful thinking on my part, because I like this head coach. But I do think the organization is looking at the next three years here under Jason and Tony and not just this year. I just think they haven't formalized it yet.

 

[jobberone]

Although I enjoyed our converesation about this in a previous thread, I cant write that much again - I think we know our positions but I don't think I ever understood the declarative statements like "building it the right way". Maybe I need to read these (and forgive if I lump you here) as tagged with -IMO. But many supports seems to think its a foregone fact.

So look I like the Online additions - late or not. But you have to have decent talent across the board and 80/20 90/10 rule - you need a qb.

I look at the online in 2000 and it wasn't bad. The defense under campo and zimer wasn't thus bad. Aikman was getting older and got knocked out of the league. 5-11 seems understandable.

Do I think jerry has moved away from trading 2 #1s for a wr...probably. But it was the failure that caused it. Do I think he he is as or more likely to think he can replace Romo with a 3rd rd or lower qb or likely UDFA than a top pick? Yes..because after his Henson, hutch, carter , Steve Carlton experiment he hit paydirt.

The defensive line is being rebuilt by necessity and embarrassment, just like the online recently. The argument that " the building blocks " are some Garrett led culture change that only garret can do or influence just doesn't hold.

General comment replied to you since it was a recent topic we discussed

I agree with most. I don't think the better drafting is all Jason at all. I think Jason has Jerry bought in to the steady let's do it right approach rather than the gambling way of the wildcatter. But for whatever the reasons I think Jerry has changed and for the better. The hiring of McClay was a major advancement IMO.

I enjoy the conversation whether we agree or not. You're reasonable and reasoned. Differing opinions are good for the site as well as pleasant discourse.

 

[TheDude]

Then shouldn't you be happy that he DIDN'T give the media any ammo this time around? Why is he getting slammed for giving the vanilla answer regarding Garrett's job security?

The funny thing is if he said what so many of you are wishing he said ("Garrett's gone if we miss the playoffs"), then those same fans would slam him for opening his big mouth and giving the press too much.

I never said he should say garret should be fired accountable, needs results, etc.

Maybe my point isnt conducive to the fire/keep soundbite argumen of the threadt. I would see real culture change if he quit seeking attention and chiming in all.the. time

So am I happy he didn't say something stupid this time - the word is Relieved

 

[jobberone]

Wins are an important part of the HC retention question. For any team. But they obviously aren't the *only* part of that equation. We all agree, though, I think, that the wins are necessary and that it's past time that this team qualifies for playoffs under Garrett.

When I listened to Jerry's deranged rambling yesterday, during the section where he was talking about essentially shedding future veteran contracts and bringing in more young talent, it sure sounded to me like the team's got a short-term plan under the current administration that extends beyond this year.

Truth be told, in the Romo interview few weeks back where he alluded to making a real push at a championship, maybe not this year but in the near future, I thought the same thing.

Might be wishful thinking on my part, because I like this head coach. But I do think the organization is looking at the next three years here under Jason and Tony and not just this year. I just think they haven't formalized it yet.

I agree although I have zero idea how long the short term plan is. I suspect you are close or on it. But I agree they have short and intermediate goals. Unless the wheels fall off I expect Jason to be here at least this year and next.

 

[Nav22]

I never said he should say garret should be fired accountable, needs results, etc.

Maybe my point isnt conducive to the fire/keep soundbite argumen of the threadt. I would see real culture change if he quit seeking attention and chiming in all.the. time

So am I happy he didn't say something stupid this time - the word is Relieved

Won't happen as long as he's running the show. The culture seems fine to me as it looks like the vets have embraced Garrett's program. You place far too much importance on what Jerry says to the press. Players are used to it and you can't play for the Cowboys if you can't handle the spotlight anyways.