Jones Says Record Won't Be Deciding Factor For Garrett

[TheDude]

Finally got through all these posts.
Leave it to JJ to make a few comments, and have a 9 page a 171 post count to this point for his and Jason's entertainment. LOL

Somehow I can see them sitting back, having a few cold beers, and laughing.....

HA

maybe if they spent their free time on a scavenger hunt and less on trolling Cowboyszone.com the could find that 9th win

 

[jobberone]

Got to pick and choose what Jerry has to say.

 

[Avery]

You can't put stock into anything Jerry says. Once you do that, it makes things so much simpler.

 

[gmoney112]

You can't put stock into anything Jerry says. Once you do that, it makes things so much simpler.

Ha, no kidding.

I watch him purely for comedic value at this point, much more entertaining.

 

[Idgit]

Ha, no kidding.

I watch him purely for comedic value at this point, much more entertaining.

He's descending into madness and we're all just watching it and nobody is doing anything about it.

 

[TheDude]

I agree with most. I don't think the better drafting is all Jason at all. I think Jason has Jerry bought in to the steady let's do it right approach rather than the gambling way of the wildcatter. But for whatever the reasons I think Jerry has changed and for the better. The hiring of McClay was a major advancement IMO.

I enjoy the conversation whether we agree or not. You're reasonable and reasoned. Differing opinions are good for the site as well as pleasant discourse.

I would be inclined to agree with you if we saw this approach more consitently than 6 months. I think its human nature to focus on the most recent events and discount prior contradictory actions. I do it as well and try to be cognizant and measured when evaluating something

So 2013 the primary "change" was jettisoning D Ware. I will say that is a significant move, but Im not sure the cap didn't play some part in that. He got burned by Ratliff deals, Austin, etc. Cant do much more with Romo, etc. Could he have restructured and added 5 years and a big bonus and made it all work? sure. So am I glad he didn't? - more than likely yes. And maybe I am stuck in the past and resentful that Romo has been wasted. I think the team - if everything falls perfectly - is probably 3 years from serious contention. By then Romo is 37 and while I like him, The diminishing return argument will come up soon. It almost feels like the Romo era is over.

Aside from that, if I look a little further back - 2012. I see nothing changed. From Jones/Garrett/Callahan proclamations to Jerry/Jason/Kiffen/Marinelli to 3-4 vs 4-3, to our base is a 12 package and then have no TEs that can block to $50M for Carr and a #1 and a #2 for another CB. I just cant sweep it all under the rug for 1 Demarcus Ware move that may work out for the best long-term.

ANyway, not gonna be devil's advocate on the whole thing, I actually am slammed today at work. Thanks

 

[jobberone]

I would be inclined to agree with you if we saw this approach more consitently than 6 months. I think its human nature to focus on the most recent events and discount prior contradictory actions. I do it as well and try to be cognizant and measured when evaluating something

So 2013 the primary "change" was jettisoning D Ware. I will say that is a significant move, but Im not sure the cap didn't play some part in that. He got burned by Ratliff deals, Austin, etc. Cant do much more with Romo, etc. Could he have restructured and added 5 years and a big bonus and made it all work? sure. So am I glad he didn't? - more than likely yes. And maybe I am stuck in the past and resentful that Romo has been wasted. I think the team - if everything falls perfectly - is probably 3 years from serious contention. By then Romo is 37 and while I like him, The diminishing return argument will come up soon. It almost feels like the Romo era is over.

Aside from that, if I look a little further back - 2012. I see nothing changed. From Jones/Garrett/Callahan proclamations to Jerry/Jason/Kiffen/Marinelli to 3-4 vs 4-3, to our base is a 12 package and then have no TEs that can block to $50M for Carr and a #1 and a #2 for another CB. I just cant sweep it all under the rug for 1 Demarcus Ware move that may work out for the best long-term.

ANyway, not gonna be devil's advocate on the whole thing, I actually am slammed today at work. Thanks

Have a good one.

 

[erod]

The answer isn't to stick with mediocrity either, continuity at the hc position in the salary cap era comes from them showing something tangible early

There is no coach in football that could have won with that squad three years ago. They're tearing it down and building it up. Romo has kept it at 8-8 by himself.

Now, I think it is an 8-8 roster. Can Romo make it 10-6? That's the question.

 

[erod]

Noll inherited one of the worse jobs in NFL history and turned them around in 4 years. 1-13; 5-9. 6-8; and 11-3. Two years after that they won the SB. Garrett had a better team than Noll did when he started.

You mean the team that was 1-7?

 

[erod]

He made the playoffs in his first 6 years winning the division 5 times, getting to the championship game twice and to the super bowl once, common man.

In a horrible conference, but yeah he did. He also inherited a younger team with a much better defense and offensive line than what Garrett had.

Good gosh, let Garrett finish building the lines, and let's see what happens. This is in stage 4 of a 5-part rebuilding.

 

[Hoofbite]

The coaches the Steelers have had have all won Super Bowls... Noll obviously won 4 of them and no one was firing him until he was ready to go... kind of like Landry until Jerry bought the team. Cowher and Tomlin both saw success early in their stints as HC.

If it's such a simple blueprint to follow, why don't all teams do this? Just hire some guy, let him stay on until he's ready to go... He can be the worst coach in the league for years, never win a game, etc. Sounds great.

Maybe one day Garrett will accomplish enough on his own and people won't have to prop him up by mentioning the names of historically successful coaches who had some down years.

 

[Coy]

In a horrible conference, but yeah he did. He also inherited a younger team with a much better defense and offensive line than what Garrett had.

Good gosh, let Garrett finish building the lines, and let's see what happens. This is in stage 4 of a 5-part rebuilding.

He inherited a team that had been in the playoffs only once in the past seven years (3 years earlier), that was not a good team.

Anyway, although I clearly don´t like Garrett as a HC, this post is not to bash him, my only point is that it is beyond ridiculous to use Cowher as an example when talking about Garrett, plus, you could say the NFC EAST has been horrible this past 4 years.(excluding the Giants playoff run in 2011 of course)
I really hope Garrett has success this year.

 

[Stash]

I could fill a response with evidence that suggests we've already had better results than should have been expected. I could wax poetic about the internet age ruining true expectations, and provide tons of evidence of other coaches who struggled with bad and mediocre teams but who began to build success that was sustained because the team continued to believe in what was being built.

None of the 'evidence' that you could offer would compare with the clearest and most definitive evidence - 8-8, 8-8, 8-8. There is nothing to refute and nothing to deny. Everything else is interpretation, speculation, and fan hopes.

Instead I think I'll offer you, and only you, a wager. I'll bet you a steak dinner right now that barring a health related reason Jason Garrett is going to be our Head Coach for at least 10 years. I am taking all the risk on this. He hasn't even started year 4 and I am predicting 6 more at least. Do you want the bet?

I'll take that bet. I'm batting 1.000 in wagers with you thus far.

Who do we get as witness to file it away and keep track when the time comes?

 

[LatinMind]

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/a...-Garrett/0e292b62-ac9c-456e-9f2e-b36c70e209bb



If the HC has nothing to fear than what sort of precedent does that set for the players?

How can there be a "chain of command" so to speak if it seems to be broken from the top down?

Where is the light at the end of the tunnel here?

He has said this for the past 3 yrs. Why is it always something new for people to hear this when somebody decides to write about it? I dont like Garrett as a HC but he's what Dallas has and he's what Dallas is going to have until Jerry wants to move on. But i dont think Garrett is going to have as much influence on the game this yr as in prior yrs because basically he has no control over the offense or defense. Linehan is the guy doing the offensive game planning and I doubt Garrett knows much about game planning defense. So let him go and police the team the way the HC should be doing instead of trying to juggle what little time he has into so many different things. Let him say what he wants, let his coordinators do it, and let his players play.

 

[big dog cowboy]

You place far too much importance on what Jerry says to the press.

A lot of people in that boat.

 

[big dog cowboy]

You mean the team that was 1-7?

Fact alert.

 

[wileedog]

You mean the team that was 1-7?

They year before that they were 11-5 and won a playoff game. A half season later "no coach in football" could win with that team?

 

[CCBoy]

lol, can you just either discuss the topic or just move on? I don't understand why we have to have so many goofball characters on here that post as if they're hearing voices in their heads. I'm sorry for soliciting your opinion on poor old Wade. No need to reply. You win.

First, you didn't recognize a base level Law School class in Property and Tort Actions. That's two first year classes.

What you missed, was a logical dissimilarity between Jerry observing the accumulated actions of Wade Phillips and those of Jason Garrett.

You weren't soliciting, that's done on the street and illegal, but your spouting your own opinion still isn't a discussion of merit on points.

Your presented merits were in line with your own emotions on subject, not upon a discussed and common ground development on those items chosen to steer a discussion. Instead, you tossed more attitude instead...but by all means, move on, Son.

Can't hide behind a Japanese name meaning protagonist...

 

[CCBoy]

He does not care about regret. And I do not think he fears Garrett being successful elsewhere. He just clings to the hope that his decision to groom him eventually pays off so he gets some credit for it. He just is stubborn and will not admit his mistake until all hope is lost. And with him that takes a very long time for him to lose hope.

What observations and where did you actually gain those insights? The burn barrel? Only a handful of people on site are non-stop town criers of loss of hope. Must be the new generation of being a fan...

 

[CATCH17]

You can't put stock into anything Jerry says. Once you do that, it makes things so much simpler.

After seeing what Garrett has done since he has been HC I actually believe Jerry.