Jones Says Record Won't Be Deciding Factor For Garrett

[BrAinPaiNt]

He does not care about regret. And I do not think he fears Garrett being successful elsewhere. He just clings to the hope that his decision to groom him eventually pays off so he gets some credit for it. He just is stubborn and will not admit his mistake until all hope is lost. And with him that takes a very long time for him to lose hope.

No...I think Erod is right in that one aspect. I think Jerry is worried it would happen. I think he wants Garrett to be a Sean Payton and we lost Sean.

Now I also believe he wants the credit for Hiring him and sticking with him but I do believe that him being worried about him going elsewhere and having success is a factor as well.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I do not think any other team covets Jason as a hot HC candidate if he were to be let go here.

JMO.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Jerry is scared beyond scared that Garrett might go elsewhere and have success down the road once he leaves here. That mortifies Jerry. It would leave him squarely in the crosshairs for good (which he already is but doesn't recognize it.)

That, and a general comfort level, is why Garrett is going nowhere after this season or next most likely.

Fear of the future is a great reason not to fire your head coach! Not many coaches become super stars the second time around.

 

[erod]

Fear of the future is a great reason not to fire your head coach! Not many coaches become super stars the second time around.

Bill Belichick (Browns first), Pete Carroll (Jets), Tom Coughlin (Jaguars), Mike Shanahan (Raiders), Tony Dungy (Bucs)....

 

[erod]

No...I think Erod is right in that one aspect. I think Jerry is worried it would happen. I think he wants Garrett to be a Sean Payton and we lost Sean.

Now I also believe he wants the credit for Hiring him and sticking with him but I do believe that him being worried about him going elsewhere and having success is a factor as well.

That, and the coaching turnstile continually proves to be the wrong route to go. Some teams have been rifling through them for decades to no avail.

Look at Pittsburgh. Noll, Cowher, Tomlin. Three coaches in 45 years. That's the blueprint, not what's done in Detroit or Oakland.

 

[Alexander]

No...I think Erod is right in that one aspect. I think Jerry is worried it would happen. I think he wants Garrett to be a Sean Payton and we lost Sean.

Now I also believe he wants the credit for Hiring him and sticking with him but I do believe that him being worried about him going elsewhere and having success is a factor as well.

If he were truly worried about that he probably would have extended him by now. He has invested a lot of time and money on him.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

If he were truly worried about that he probably would have extended him by now. He has invested a lot of time and money on him.

keep that talk up and he will extend him...shhhh

 

[peplaw06]

That, and the coaching turnstile continually proves to be the wrong route to go. Some teams have been rifling through them for decades to no avail.

Look at Pittsburgh. Noll, Cowher, Tomlin. Three coaches in 45 years. That's the blueprint, not what's done in Detroit or Oakland.

This only works when you have hired successful coaches in a row. Seattle, San Francisco, Denver... those teams have certainly gone through their share of head coaches in recent years. Once you hit on one, you hope they stay around a while and can develop assistants underneath them who will carry on the system.

But there is no one blueprint that works. If Garrett is perpetually 8-8 or worse, he won't stick around simply because Pittsburgh has only had 3 coaches in 45 years.

 

[Alexander]

That, and the coaching turnstile continually proves to be the wrong route to go. Some teams have been rifling through them for decades to no avail.

Look at Pittsburgh. Noll, Cowher, Tomlin. Three coaches in 45 years. That's the blueprint, not what's done in Detroit or Oakland.

Pittsburgh is a stable organization that starts with the Rooneys guidance. Imitating them without that strong leadership at the top is fruitless. The results came from those coaches after Noll following that blueprint. Jones's organizational philosophy changes constantly, even from year to year with Garrett.

 

[erod]

This only works when you have hired successful coaches in a row. Seattle, San Francisco, Denver... those teams have certainly gone through their share of head coaches in recent years. Once you hit on one, you hope they stay around a while and can develop assistants underneath them who will carry on the system.

But there is no one blueprint that works. If Garrett is perpetually 8-8 or worse, he won't stick around simply because Pittsburgh has only had 3 coaches in 45 years.

Not true. There were many, many, many losing years in Pittsburgh in the early 70s, most of the 80s, and even recently. The Steelers are not a good football team right now at all.

Pittsburgh doesn't knee-jerk. And they know what kind of football they want to play and draft for it.

I hate them, but I respect them.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Just think how successful we'd be right now if we'd stuck with Campo all these years.

 

[erod]

Just think how successful we'd be right now if we'd stuck with Campo all these years.

The fact that this gloried franchise actually hired Barry Switzer, Chan Gailey, Dave Campo, and Wade Phillips sickens me to the core. At least Garrett was an "up-and-coming" bright mind. The others were tired, old retreads with no resume.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

The fact that this gloried franchise actually hired Barry Switzer, Chan Gailey, Dave Campo, and Wade Phillips sickens me to the core. At least Garrett was an "up-and-coming" bright mind. The others were tired, old retreads with no resume.

How were Gailey and Campo "retreads"? They were successful coordinators who had never been a head coach before.

And no resume? They both had better resumes than Garrett.

Except for that all-important family portrait part.

 

[peplaw06]

Not true. There were many, many, many losing years in Pittsburgh in the early 70s, most of the 80s, and even recently. The Steelers are not a good football team right now at all.

Pittsburgh doesn't knee-jerk. And they know what kind of football they want to play and draft for it.

I hate them, but I respect them.

The coaches the Steelers have had have all won Super Bowls... Noll obviously won 4 of them and no one was firing him until he was ready to go... kind of like Landry until Jerry bought the team. Cowher and Tomlin both saw success early in their stints as HC.

If it's such a simple blueprint to follow, why don't all teams do this? Just hire some guy, let him stay on until he's ready to go... He can be the worst coach in the league for years, never win a game, etc. Sounds great.

 

[peplaw06]

The Steelers franchise had a bunch of head coaches before Noll got there. So I guess they didn't realize the blueprint until they had a HC who won 4 Super Bowls.

/sarcasm

 

[erod]

The coaches the Steelers have had have all won Super Bowls... Noll obviously won 4 of them and no one was firing him until he was ready to go... kind of like Landry until Jerry bought the team. Cowher and Tomlin both saw success early in their stints as HC.

If it's such a simple blueprint to follow, why don't all teams do this? Just hire some guy, let him stay on until he's ready to go... He can be the worst coach in the league for years, never win a game, etc. Sounds great.

It took Cowher a long, long time to win a Super Bowl, and there were plenty of subpar seasons mixed in. Tomlin inherited a championship team, no doubt. I agree with you there.

Noll coached one of the worst teams in football for several seasons before success started to happen. Much like Tom Landry in that regard. Then he had some bad teams in the 80s, but management stayed the course, again much like Landry.

 

[erod]

The Steelers franchise had a bunch of head coaches before Noll got there. So I guess they didn't realize the blueprint until they had a HC who won 4 Super Bowls.

/sarcasm

They learned.

 

[erod]

How were Gailey and Campo "retreads"? They were successful coordinators who had never been a head coach before.

And no resume? They both had better resumes than Garrett.

Except for that all-important family portrait part.

Nobody wanted to hire Gailey or Campo or Switzer or Wade......except Jerry.

Many teams were interested in Garrett, including Baltimore, Atlanta, and St. Louis.

 

[junk]

The coaches the Steelers have had have all won Super Bowls... Noll obviously won 4 of them and no one was firing him until he was ready to go... kind of like Landry until Jerry bought the team. Cowher and Tomlin both saw success early in their stints as HC.

If it's such a simple blueprint to follow, why don't all teams do this? Just hire some guy, let him stay on until he's ready to go... He can be the worst coach in the league for years, never win a game, etc. Sounds great.

Instead of a Noll or a Landry you might get a Marvin Lewis....who seems awfully similar to Garrett right now

 

[jobberone]

That, and the coaching turnstile continually proves to be the wrong route to go. Some teams have been rifling through them for decades to no avail.

Look at Pittsburgh. Noll, Cowher, Tomlin. Three coaches in 45 years. That's the blueprint, not what's done in Detroit or Oakland.

And this is the reason for staying the course. It will pay off in time because they are building the right way and not the Jerry way. Jerry wants success now and I think it finally got thru his thick head you can't buy it and you can't normally luck into it.

I do think Jerry's ego is involved as it likely is most areas of his life. Just not so much now.