Jones Says Record Won't Be Deciding Factor For Garrett

[Super_Kazuya]

First, you didn't recognize a base level Law School class in Property and Tort Actions. That's two first year classes.

What you missed, was a logical dissimilarity between Jerry observing the accumulated actions of Wade Phillips and those of Jason Garrett.

You weren't soliciting, that's done on the street and illegal, but your spouting your own opinion still isn't a discussion of merit on points.

Your presented merits were in line with your own emotions on subject, not upon a discussed and common ground development on those items chosen to steer a discussion. Instead, you tossed more attitude instead...but by all means, move on, Son.

All of this garbage is "undiscernible" from a game of mad libs being played by a 13 year old with a dictionary while trying to appear smart. Stop playing this cornball character. It's boring.

 

[CCBoy]

Maybe one day Garrett will accomplish enough on his own and people won't have to prop him up by mentioning the names of historically successful coaches who had some down years.

Yea, maybe if he had a long white beard it would help...

 

[jobberone]

In a horrible conference, but yeah he did. He also inherited a younger team with a much better defense and offensive line than what Garrett had.

Good gosh, let Garrett finish building the lines, and let's see what happens. This is in stage 4 of a 5-part rebuilding.

Maybe people won't make inane arguments countered by facts then have someone dis that as well. There is no grand conspiracyo cover up the Truth about Garrett.

 

[Alexander]

And this is the reason for staying the course. It will pay off in time because they are building the right way and not the Jerry way. Jerry wants success now and I think it finally got thru his thick head you can't buy it and you can't normally luck into it.

I do think Jerry's ego is involved as it likely is most areas of his life. Just not so much now.

No, it is not a reason. They are still building the Jerry way. He is still around. Adopting another team's model when you still have a lunatic in charge is not the same thing.

The only way the Jerry way has any prayer of success is if he is uncomfortable. He is extremely comfortable with Garrett.

 

[erod]

They year before that they were 11-5 and won a playoff game. A half season later "no coach in football" could win with that team?

Garrett stepped in and took a 1-7 team and went 5-3 to end the season.

 

[CCBoy]

Sidney Poitier, Redemtion...the only way out...

 

[tantrix1969]

There is no coach in football that could have won with that squad three years ago. They're tearing it down and building it up. Romo has kept it at 8-8 by himself.

Now, I think it is an 8-8 roster. Can Romo make it 10-6? That's the question.

So by your logic then any coach in football would have personally cost us games that season?

 

[erod]

So by your logic then any coach in football would have personally cost us games that season?

Every coach makes those mistakes every season. Some teams are good enough to overcome them; this one wasn't.

All 32 NFL fan bases rail on their coaches decisions all the time. It's just the nature of the beast.

 

[Hostile]

I havent seen you try to be this disingenuous before. Why?

I don't believe I was being disingenuous now. The fact of the matter is Chuck Noll's teams struggled at first, then became great. He's hardly the only Head Coach to encounter these things. I don't see that as a comparison either. Just an example. No different than if I say Tom Landry's teams struggled for 6 seasons. I'm not comparing Garrett to Landry or Noll. I am merely relaying a fact. People who want Garrett gone at 24-24 over the last 3 years would certainly want him gone for 12-30 instead. Do you disagree with that? If so, why? No one knew Noll was going to build one of the greatest teams ever from the scraps of a Steelers team that was a laughing stock for decades. No one knew Landry was going to have 20 straight winning seasons after 1960 to 1965. People were calling for his head too. They were wrong. Taking the facts of their struggles as a comparison of Garrett to a legend rather than an example of why we should put away the crystal balls would be disingenuous.

People say they like the culture change, management focus, etc. of the team right now. What doesn't work for me is the belief that they can't ever climb above 8-8. That is disingenuous to me, because that is speaking from frustration rather than trying to see the reasons why something isn't an instant miracle cure. Or it's a lack of respect for the game. I can't quite decide which. The fact of the matter is any team can be good like the Texans of 2012 and fall apart like the Texans of 2013. Conversely a team can come from virtually nowhere like the Kansas City Chiefs of 2013 did. What I want is the stability of the Patriots or Steelers and long term excellence. I do not believe you get that by over reacting to win loss records while trying to build something from nothing.

I honestly believe that Jason Garrett building pride in the team is what we need to return to the levels of respect and glory that we all miss. No one has to agree with me. That's their right. So I don't feel I am being disingenuous at all. I feel that I am being pretty level headed about it. I don't go for sensationalism like saying Campo would be amazing by now if we had just stuck with him. Anyone who can't see the difference in Campo and Garrett is either blind or a fool. Not that I am saying anyone is doing that. Hopefully that explains a little why I merely pointed out that Noll didn't exactly set the NFL on fire. He built a program with steady focus and his team backed him. I want that.

 

[CCBoy]

Good thing an example of Chuck Norris wasn't used...there's a reason why one doesn't just give up on a young Officer, even if he's a 1LT. About a comparable length of time before assuming a promotion to CPT.

 

[Hostile]

None of the 'evidence' that you could offer would compare with the clearest and most definitive evidence - 8-8, 8-8, 8-8. There is nothing to refute and nothing to deny. Everything else is interpretation, speculation, and fan hopes.

I'll take that bet. I'm batting 1.000 in wagers with you thus far.

Who do we get as witness to file it away and keep track when the time comes?

Whomever you want. I trust you just fine. One question, if he gets an extension that would take him to 10 years do I win?

~grin~

 

[Alexander]

They year before that they were 11-5 and won a playoff game. A half season later "no coach in football" could win with that team?

Yes.

That whole entire "Believe" campaign was just a sham based on top of an illusion.

Everyone here who defends Garrett at every turn and just loves what is being built here just kept their mouths shut that whole season while they just secretly knew that Phillips was a fraud. Or something.

 

[bysbox1]

Yeah, you might get a season like 2007 every once in awhile but it most likely won't be sustained.

And that season was the result of the work Parcell's put in before he left.

 

[CCBoy]

Yes.

That whole entire "Believe" campaign was just a sham based on top of an illusion.

Everyone here who defends Garrett at every turn and just loves what is being built here just kept their mouths shut that whole season while they just secretly knew that Phillips was a fraud. Or something.

Alright, let's draw a line in the sand here...did you ridicule Phillips for 'camp cupcakes?'

 

[bysbox1]

Actually it should be the other way around, a good HC should get the most out of the talent he's been given, ala Parcells in 2003, now that's coaching. Because like you say, almost everybody can win with good talent, ala Switzer in 95.
Talent is obviously important but it should not be an excuse after 3+ years with a team.
I hope this is the year where we turn it around.

2003 was the best coaching I had seen . . . .

 

[Alexander]

Alright, let's draw a line in the sand here...did you ridicule Phillips for 'camp cupcakes?'

Yes and some of the very same people who are vocal now were amazingly silent then.

Never made it a secret that I was not a fan of Phillips. The disconnect between the offense and defense was very clear as Garrett was doing his thing and Phillips doing his. All under the same Jones dysfunction umbrella.

The only difference between now and then is we have Garrett in the Phillips role and the disarray is on the other side of the football. But there is not a head coach in waiting there and they can just scapegoat who they want to from year to year.

 

[tantrix1969]

Every coach makes those mistakes every season. Some teams are good enough to overcome them; this one wasn't.

All 32 NFL fan bases rail on their coaches decisions all the time. It's just the nature of the beast.

Oh bs, Garrett had some bad rookie mistakes in 2011 so to say every coach makes those is ludicrous.

 

[Alexander]

Oh bs, Garrett had some bad rookie mistakes in 2011 so to say every coach makes those is ludicrous.

Coaches do make crucial errors like that every year. Nobody is immune.

The bad ones get fired if it costs them several wins a year.

The good ones, well, it gets lost in the wash at the end of the day.

The entitled ones get to return because they are in the family portrait.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Oh bs, Garrett had some bad rookie mistakes in 2011 so to say every coach makes those is ludicrous.

Every coach makes tons of mistakes through the magic of hindsight. Kinda like when Garrett ran the ball against the Lions last year and had the nerve to assume his all-pro tackle wouldn't commit the only holding penalty he would make all season at the worst possible moment. I mean, how could Garrett not know that?

 

[cowboyvic]

Jerry means it folks. every year people come on here and say Jerry does not mean it, he just says it. what's he got to do for some of you folks to prove he is not going to fire his puppet Jason Garrett?there were people on here last year saying he would fire Garrett. how did that work out for you? as long as he is making money from you folks buying his pitiful product. there is no reason for him to fire the puppet. Garrett should have been fired, because he sucks. the only reason he still has a job is because he is Jerry,s puppet. he is not going anywhere. and i told you folks that last year too.