***The Second Call/NonCall good/bad conspiracy etc thread***merged**

[Doomsday101]

They don't feel like crying over spilled milk?

They are also owners who negotiate the contracts with the Refs. Just as players work for the NFL so do the refs and who is the NFL it is the Owners

 

[Toruk_Makto]

We don't know what conversations the Jones' and the league office has had.

We also know this is a league office that lacks credibility.

We also have lost the game. It's over. No use publicly arguing.

 

[tideh20heel]

There is no integrity.

 

[tyke1doe]

It's your version of perspective. Who are you to assume that someone who feels like they were screwed out of that game somehow believes the world is out to get them? You make many assumptions.

First, the term "the world is out to get me" is figurative language. Of course, not everyone in the world is out to get you, silly. Most people in the world don't even know you. It's an expression to mean that people are unjustly focusing on you.

Second, it's NOT an assumption. It's an OBSERVATION. An observation involves compiling facts, looking at those facts to compare them to other similar or different situations and rendering a conclusion. When Cowboys fans argue they have a right to be mad and somehow their anger is DIFFERENT than the anger of the fans of another team on an unfavorable call, when Cowboys fans argue (as MANY do in this forum) that the refs always seem to call penalties against the Cowboys (implying that they don't call nearly as many penalties on other teams) and when Cowboys fans complain that a call that essentially knocked their team out of the playoffs is different than the call that essentially knocked the Lions out of the playoffs, that, my friend, is having a "the world is against us" mentality.

No, it's not an assumption at all. It is a very ACCURATE observation.

Why do you feel that your "perspective" is so valuable that you continue to force it on people again and again and again for 6 pages in this thread? It sounds like you are one of those last word fighters that somehow feels like people agree with you once they get tired of your act.

Let me reverse the question: Why is your "perspective" so valuable that you (and others) have to continue to respond to my posts? I'm merely responding to those who respond to my posts. If you didn't respond to my posts, then the conversation would die. You're just mad because I'm as stubborn as you are.

And to answer your question, I am not so concerned about a troll as you want me to be. I am not the one that keeps going on over and over with the same tired " perspective " for 6 pages. Your views and thoughts are not that impressive.

So I take it this will be your last response to me?

So keep replying and keep saying the same thing until everyone else has moved on and turned a deaf ear to you. After all you have that free speech right.

Why thank you for your permission.

 

[ThreeandOut]

Since the Cowboys coaches and Dez will likely be participating in the Pro Bowl, perhaps they could make a statement there. They should throw Dez the ball about 30 times. Each time he should take two steps, fall to the ground, and bobble the ball when it hits the ground. Let the refs spend the whole game making that call.

 

[Future]

Get rid of instant replay.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

The lions penalty is so unrelated to what happend in Green Bay. The refs did not TAKE anything from the Lions. There was no rule book they had to ponder over. It was NOT 4th down. The ball was not even thrown well enough to give the WR a chance OR the ref a chance to say the contact on BOTH players prevented him from catching the ball. Tony stood strong in the pocket and made a great throw. Dez climbed the ladder and went up and got the ball. This is why we are going to pay him 70 - 80m. And the NFL has NO RIGHT...NO RIGHT...to take that from these players. The NFL will go on forever. These players...this is there only window to make there mark on the NFL. For all we know...that could be Tony's best chance..or Dez best chance...or Wittens best chance. You cannot make that call. You simply cannot make that call. They EARNED that catch and throw!

 

[CowboyGil]

Because just like against Detroit:
One play didn't lose the game.

 

[gimmesix]

I don't think it matters what we call it. Without the trip, it's less likely that Dez goes down short of the end zone (if he goes down at all), which means he'd have no reason to reach out with the ball, which makes it less likely that the ball comes loose.

I can agree with this since it seems pretty clear that he made a lunge for the end zone while going down. I don't know if he would have tucked the ball in or having his arm out was part of a natural landing mode, but I do believe he would not have had it out as far.

 

[tyke1doe]

They don't feel like crying over spilled milk?

Whether they complain about it so the whole world hears it, complains about it behind the scenes with the NFL or never say a word about it ...it does not change the fact that the game is over, the packers advance and cowboys season is over.

Maybe if they complain about it behind the scenes, they might get the rule changed for the future.

Either way, complaining about it in the open, like fans are doing, is not going to magically put us back into the game with the seahawks and make the packers sit home just like if the lions brass complained about it the would have changed the results and let the lions play the packers.

It's over, nothing can do to change that the cowboys season is over.

You should change your name to "Reality." Wait, that one is taken.

 

[EST_1986]

Let's put you back instead.

Ill go back, still won't change the Packers victory formation

 

[Swanny]

After catching the ball he switched the ball to his left hand only and lunged for the goal line. No one can argue he was not making a move beyond trying to catch the ball. Well, you can argue it, but that makes it at best a matter of conjecture, which makes an overturn improper since the on field ref called it a catch.

How do you switch the ball to one hand, push off your foot, and lunge for the goal line and not have control of the ball and making football moves? Does anyone really think Dez was still trying to get possession of the ball?

Before you answer, the ref ON THE FIELD called it a catch. Replay should only overturn the on the field call with INDISPUTABLE evidence.

The NFL has changed their explanation and "clarified" several times with long, legalese explanations. Now they are admitting to revisiting this rule in the offseason. Well whoopedy doo first off the rule was wrongly applied and second that doesn't negate a horrible call.

This is perfect

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

No need to start multiple new threads every day with basically the same arguments or questions that have been argued and asked multiple times by multiple people in multiple threads.

Start putting them in this thread so we can have them confined to one area instead of littering the fan page with the same thing by different people.

 

[tyke1doe]

Aaron Rodgers, whom the Cowboys couldn't stop on one leg, would have marched down the field and thrown the game-winning touchdown.

The sad reality about this game is that it wasn't simply the Murray fumble or the no-catch call against Dez. The sad reality is that our defense couldn't ruffle a one-legged quarterback.

That was more egregious. This really shouldn't have been a game.

 

[Staubacher]

First, I appreciate you starting a thread and provoking discussion. But this is not your forum exclusively.

Second, I offered an opinion. You and others didn't like the opinion. Instead of dismissing it or ignoring it, you and others continue to respond to my comments. And I keep responding. Apparently, people think enough of my point that they're moved to discuss it. If they weren't, then they would have ignored my comments, and my point would have died a quick death - which would have been okay with me. But I like to discuss and hammer my point of view just as you like to hammer and discuss yours.

Third, I never said you should quit talking about it. I'm merely adding perspective, particularly when Cowboys fans think somehow the league is out to get them. And what I said is that the Lions fans were saying the same thing last week. I'm not the one trying to argue to the nth degree why somehow we have a legitimate reason to be upset and the Lions fans don't.

Your perspective has been offered over and over. It's noted and still a dumb point. Every fan of every team has seen calls go their way. To then say a fan can never question a future bad call against their team because they "sound like so and so other team fans when X happened" is just silly.

But you made that point. You are still using your free speech right to be rude, hijack a thread, and make the same point over and over. It's great that you think discussion of this bad call and proof it was called the exact opposite a year ago is merely fan whining. But it really isn't.

You're welcome to start a thread Cowboys Fans are Just Like Lions fans

 

[Swanny]

I think some people have an issue understanding this because how can somebody make a football move when falling? I mean normal humans can't even fathom doing something that athletic. The players in today's NFL defy logic and this play was a great example at how good of athletes these NFL players have become. Something so amazing that some regular Joe Schmoe can't even understand how that just happened.

 

[WV Cowboy]

I can discuss whatever I want. And so can you. That's the beauty of a board that appreciates free speech.

Too funny. You announce that you aren't here to argue the call, as if that places you above those that do, .. and then proceed to argue with those that are arguing the call.

I just found that very funny.

Just as funny as pronouncing that you are leaving the discussion in post #72, .. and then are back in it at post #82.

You have made it very entertaining watching you in this thread, .. even though I can't figure out why you are even in this thread.

 

[tyke1doe]

Your perspective has been offered over and over. It's noted and still a dumb point. Every fan of every team has seen calls go their way. To then say a fan can never question a future bad call against their team because they "sound like so and so other team fans when X happened" is just silly.

See, this is what happens when you have no point. You start creating arguments and attributing them to another. I think they call that a "straw man argument" in the literary world.
Where did I say a fan can't question a future bad call against their team? Moreover, how do you question a "future bad call"? Do you have a crystal ball?

See, you're now becoming illogical.

But you made that point. You are still using your free speech right to be rude, hijack a thread, and make the same point over and over. It's great that you think discussion of this bad call and proof it was called the exact opposite a year ago is merely fan whining. But it really isn't.

Nope. I'm using my free speech to respond to posters who quote my post. Some would consider it rude NOT to respond to those who respond to you. But these are desperation tactics. You are stubborn so you want your point to go unchallenged. I am stubborn because I seek to respond to those who respond to me. You don't like that I'm stubborn so instead of letting it die, you offer a response that was given, oh, pages ago and then try to call me out for making the same point over and over again when I've been quoted by various posters over and over again.

You're welcome to start a thread Cowboys Fans are Just Like Lions fans

I don't choose to do that. I choose to discuss here and respond to those who respond to my post. But thank you for giving me the permission to do so.

 

[gimmesix]

Assuming is not supposed to be a part of the replay process. Quite the contrary if you are making assumptions you let the call stand.

Not saying they shouldn't have let the call stand, but the video evidence shows the ball hitting the ground and then the ball moving, what made it move at that point is irrelevant because it moved after hitting the ground. That evidence is indisputable. We can say the shoulder pad caused it to move, but because the ball hit the ground and then moved, no official is going to agree with that.

So it comes down to was he in the process of going to the ground or had he made a football move/was he making a football move? I believe from what I see that he was going to the ground, but made a lunge for the goal line. I also believe there was not enough indisputable evidence to say that he wasn't making a football move, so the call should have not been overturned ... but the problem is that determining what constitutes a football move is at the discretion of the officials.

 

[tyke1doe]

Too funny. You announce that you aren't here to argue the call, as if that places you above those that do, .. and then proceed to argue with those that are arguing the call.

Does it place me above those who do argue it? I'm glad you could deduce that.

Second, no I'm not arguing with those who argue the call. I'm arguing with those who believe that Dallas fans complaining is somehow different than Detroit fans complaining.

I just found that very funny.

I'm glad I could provide you with such amusement.

Just as funny as pronouncing that you are leaving the discussion in post #72, .. and then are back in it at post #82.

Yeah, I am a bit stubborn, but I've said as much. But when people respond to my post, I feel it is my civic duty to reply.

You have made it very entertaining watching you in this thread, .. even though I can't figure out why you are even in this thread.

Some things you're just not meant to understand.