Is it just me that believes McFadden is starting RB?

[wileedog]

Yes, or Ajayi

I would love Gurley in the 1st, but Ajayi in the 2nd works fine for me too.

 

[Manster68]

1.Is it just me that believes McFadden is starting RB?

2. How did he really turn out? Do we honestly know?

3. He is still young enough to be feature rb for us so why not?


I am posting this thread because I would like to know what people really think about him as a player?

Real deal answers. Backed up with real info and serious analysis?

Thanks

Without reading any of the other responses, I do believe McFadden will be a starter for the Cowboys this coming season. I believe he will be more effective than Murray in some aspects and weaker in others.

I agree with Darren Woodson when he wondered how will the Cowboys fare on 3rd and 2. This is why I want Dallas to draft a running back with significant power to run behind this offensive line.

Why spend all that money for an aging Peterson when you can get Jay Ajayi, Tevin Coleman, or Jeremy Langford and still be able to build the rest of your team?

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

Agreed

awesome avatar

 

[visionary]

I don't think they have a choice. If Gurley physical checks out...Dallas would need to move ahead of San Diego at #17.

Lol
That would be a disaster

 

[mattjames2010]

I don't think they have a choice. If Gurley physical checks out...Dallas would need to move ahead of San Diego at #17.

...they do have a choice? Why would they not? Gordon, Coleman, Ajayi, and Yeldon would all most likely still be on the board.

Don't trade up for an RB in the first, I wouldn't be surprised if Yeldon slips a bit into the late second or early third. Grab him with the second pick, if need be.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Without reading any of the other responses, I do believe McFadden will be a starter for the Cowboys this coming season. I believe he will be more effective than Murray in some aspects and weaker in others.

I agree with Darren Woodson when he wondered how will the Cowboys fare on 3rd and 2. This is why I want Dallas to draft a running back with significant power to run behind this offensive line.

Why spend all that money for an aging Peterson when you can get Jay Ajayi, Tevin Coleman, or Jeremy Langford and still be able to build the rest of your team?

Makes sense.

McFadden = slash and gash

Need Power running back = blunt force trauma

 

[KJJ]

The 9'ers were a one trick pony aided by Jerry / jimmy debacle.

Don't get me started!

To the point you were trying to make..... Murray is not on the same planet as Deion anyways.


As great a year as it was for Murray. We won't miss a beat running. He wasn't that special.

The 49ers had a great team with talent very comparable to the Cowboys with HOF players at all the skill positions except for RB. The Cowboys trading for Haley and signing Deion away from them helped them overtake SF as the best team of the 90's. The trade for Haley was HUGE it helped the Cowboys go 2-1 vs SF in title games. The 49ers organization will live to regret that trade forever they could have very easily been the team winning all those SB's in the 90's had it not been for Haley and Deion switching sides. Murray may not be on the same planet as Deion was but his performance last season is the primary reason the Cowboys surprised everyone. The Cowboys had their best teams prior to Deion's arrival they won back to back SB's without him but it was taking him away from SF that provided the biggest impact. Deion had his greatest season in 94 with SF and had it not been for his performance that season the Cowboys likely would have won 4 straight SB's.

Deion was the difference it shifted the power in SF's favor and they weren't the same team after he left. You don't think the Cowboys will miss a beat without Murray because you told someone the other day you'll buy them a beer "when" McFadden leads the Cowboys to a SB win in 2015. You're one of those who thinks any back could do what Murray did last season because McFadden is an average NFL back who you think will shoulder the load and lead the team like he did. You better not get started because what you've already said may have you eating enough crow to feed an army by the end of next season. I mentioned that McFadden's 3.3 yards per carry the past 3 seasons is the lowest in the league over that period except for Trent Richardson. Trust me the Cowboys will miss a beat without Murray they would have likely missed a beat with him because he wasn't going to put up 1800 yards again.

We have to hope the Cowboys miss no more than a beat because if they do Romo is going to have to do more in the passing game and that can lead to less efficiency in the passing game and more mistakes. You say Murray wasn't that special but he had a special season in 2014 which is why the Cowboys were such a surprise. He was special last season setting a franchise rushing record along with an NFL record for hundred yard games to start the season. Anything less from him last season would have kept the Cowboys home for the playoffs. Anything less from him would have forced Romo to do more and he wouldn't have had the great season he did. Anything less from Murray would have put the defense on the field more. If the Cowboys get anything less at RB in 2015 than what Murray provided last season they might not be as good a team.

 

[KJJ]

I couldn't disagree more. It won't be worth overpaying him. Not even close.

Who is going to lead the eagles? Bradford? Mariotta? Sanchez? It's rebuilding process.
They are two years away from anything. Murray will be almost by then. He could have a real hard time in his first season there. No QB. All focus on him.

The Cowboys didn't devalue Murray. The eagles overvalued him/wanted to take him away.
There is a difference.

End of next season. I will be closer to the scenario that plays out.

Philly won the division in 2013 and was 6-2 in 2014 until Foles went down. They stayed in the race despite having Sanchez at QB the second half of the season so they're far from rebuilding. They now have a duel threat at RB with Murray and Mathews and potentially a great young LB. Trading McCoy may have improved their defense by adding Alonso and they were able to keep their running game in tact by signing Murray and Mathews. Their RB situation looks a lot better than the Cowboys at least at the moment. As for their QB situation when healthy Bradford is a more talented QB than Foles and if he can somehow stay healthy he'll upgrade the position. Kelly was able to keep Philly in contention with Mark Sanchez for half the 2014 season so if he can win games with Sanchez he can definitely win games with a healthy Sam Bradford. Losing Maclin will present a problem but Kelly may be able to address that in the draft.

You're making it sound like Philly has added a bunch of no names when they've added some talented experienced veteran players. Having a solid one-two punch at RB can provide them with more than McCoy did by himself. Having 2 solid backs will keep Philly from having to wear down Murray for 4 quarters like the Cowboys did. Philly has added players that will help them now and in the future while the Cowboys have added 2 players that may be gone after the 2015 season. You predicting McFadden will lead the Cowboys to a SB win in 2015 tells me everything I need to know about your insight into the game. Go proclaim that on a Raiders board and see how they react to it. lol

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Murray is a special RB within the first 3 yards of scrimmage. Those are the hardest yards to get past in the National Football League and have proven to be the most elusive yardage for Darren McFadden over his career.


On the other hand.... McFadden takes it to the house if he makes it to the second level he's blowing by DBs like the wind. His strength is to get into the open field, Murrays' marked weakness.

Screen Passes to McFadden could be a staple in game plans....Dez could benefit greatly.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Without reading any of the other responses, I do believe McFadden will be a starter for the Cowboys this coming season. I believe he will be more effective than Murray in some aspects and weaker in others.

I agree with Darren Woodson when he wondered how will the Cowboys fare on 3rd and 2. This is why I want Dallas to draft a running back with significant power to run behind this offensive line.

Why spend all that money for an aging Peterson when you can get Jay Ajayi, Tevin Coleman, or Jeremy Langford and still be able to build the rest of your team?

Winning on 3rd and 2 is about what your line does not what your rb does.

 

[wileedog]

The 49ers had a great team with talent very comparable to the Cowboys with HOF players at all the skill positions except for RB. The Cowboys trading for Haley and signing Deion away from them helped them overtake SF as the best team of the 90's. The trade for Haley was HUGE it helped the Cowboys go 2-1 vs SF in title games. The 49ers organization will live to regret that trade forever they could have very easily been the team winning all those SB's in the 90's had it not been for Haley and Deion switching sides. Murray may not be on the same planet as Deion was but his performance last season is the primary reason the Cowboys surprised everyone. The Cowboys had their best teams prior to Deion's arrival they won back to back SB's without him but it was taking him away from SF that provided the biggest impact. Deion had his greatest season in 94 with SF and had it not been for his performance that season the Cowboys likely would have won 4 straight SB's.

Deion was the difference it shifted the power in SF's favor and they weren't the same team after he left. You don't think the Cowboys will miss a beat without Murray because you told someone the other day you'll buy them a beer "when" McFadden leads the Cowboys to a SB win in 2015. You're one of those who thinks any back could do what Murray did last season because McFadden is an average NFL back who you think will shoulder the load and lead the team like he did. You better not get started because what you've already said may have you eating enough crow to feed an army by the end of next season. I mentioned that McFadden's 3.3 yards per carry the past 3 seasons is the lowest in the league over that period except for Trent Richardson. Trust me the Cowboys will miss a beat without Murray they would have likely missed a beat with him because he wasn't going to put up 1800 yards again.

We have to hope the Cowboys miss no more than a beat because if they do Romo is going to have to do more in the passing game and that can lead to less efficiency in the passing game and more mistakes. You say Murray wasn't that special but he had a special season in 2014 which is why the Cowboys were such a surprise. He was special last season setting a franchise rushing record along with an NFL record for hundred yard games to start the season. Anything less from him last season would have kept the Cowboys home for the playoffs. Anything less from him would have forced Romo to do more and he wouldn't have had the great season he did. Anything less from Murray would have put the defense on the field more. If the Cowboys get anything less at RB in 2015 than what Murray provided last season they might not be as good a team.

Deion >>>> Murray and its not close.

As has been said ad nauseum, Murray was "elite" last season because he had 100 more carries than everyone else behind a great Oline. 6 other backs had a higher YPC and 3 others were tied with him. In other words he is a good, not outstanding back.

Deion - love or hate him - was the unquestioned best at his position and changed the way the other team played the game. He basically took half the field away from opposing offenses just stepping on to it. Haley too is a HOFer, something Murray is not going to sniff given the beating he took last year and his pedestrian seasons before this one.

If we can get a good young RB in the draft with some real explosiveness behind this line no one is going to care about Demarco Murray in a few years.

 

[Wood]

...they do have a choice? Why would they not? Gordon, Coleman, Ajayi, and Yeldon would all most likely still be on the board.

Don't trade up for an RB in the first, I wouldn't be surprised if Yeldon slips a bit into the late second or early third. Grab him with the second pick, if need be.

I don't see Gordon as fit for this offense. This is a run between tackles division. I like Coleman but he is 2nd-3rd round talent that Dallas probably has to use their #27 to get him. So if your going to over-slot a RB then Dallas should just go for the only sure thing in this draft and make run at Gurley. Anyway we look at it...Dallas has to get impact RB who can get you 2 yards on 3rd and 2 on road in philly in december and also be able to pick up blitzes effectively. If Dallas gets too cute here I think they are in for big surprise as to how much they miss Murray.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

I don't see Gordon as fit for this offense. This is a run between tackles division. also be able to pick up blitzes effectively. If Dallas gets too cute here I think they are in for big surprise as to how much they miss Murray.

.....Gordon fits because he is all around RB...both a consistent blocker and a sly inside power runner......granted he has some elusiveness as well.

 

[KJJ]

Deion >>>> Murray and its not close.

As has been said ad nauseum, Murray was "elite" last season because he had 100 more carries than everyone else behind a great Oline. 6 other backs had a higher YPC and 3 others were tied with him. In other words he is a good, not outstanding back.

Deion - love or hate him - was the unquestioned best at his position and changed the way the other team played the game. He basically took half the field away from opposing offenses just stepping on to it. Haley too is a HOFer, something Murray is not going to sniff given the beating he took last year and his pedestrian seasons before this one.

If we can get a good young RB in the draft with some real explosiveness behind this line no one is going to care about Demarco Murray in a few years.

Just commented it's not even close between Murray and Deion talent wise read my post. Murray had 100 more carries than anyone else because he was successful running the ball so the Cowboys kept feeding him. The Cowboys are going to have to change the way they play in 2015 if they can't run the ball as effectively as they did this past season. Losing Murray may end up being equivalent to the 90's teams losing Emmitt if the team can't make up for his production which included 13 TD's.

He provided almost 2300 all purpose yards in 2014 that's a lot of production to have to replace on a team that has a QB who desperately needs a running game due to back issues. IF we can get a good RB in the draft with some real explosiveness everyone will forget about Murray but if we end up with a bust who's gone in 3-4 years we'll be regretting ever letting him go especially if he's leading Philly past us every year.

 

[Verdict]

He is a good player when healthy. There is no way to predict his health, but he has enough talent to succeed.

His is very good in pass protection.

He is still faster than Murray.

He has not fumbled much.

They won't give him the same amount of carries as Murray even if he is healthy. They really like Ryan Williams and will like add a RB in the draft.

I agree with all of the above .... and would add that he is very good catching the ball out of the backfield. He won't be as strong as Murray was between the tackles or getting that extra tough yard, but he might take it to the house more frequently if the opportunity arises.

 

[Verdict]

McFadden will be tried on 3rd downs to provide pass pro for Tony and could be a receiver out of the backfield.
The one he'd be most likely to replace would be Lance Dunbar, who cannot block well enough to be effective.

I wonder if Dunbar becomes the kick returner/punt returner this year with his speed.

 

[perrykemp]

Winning on 3rd and 2 is about what your line does not what your rb does.

Personally I think its 50/50.

 

[Bullflop]

I wonder if Dunbar becomes the kick returner/punt returner this year with his speed.

Assuming he's still on the team and not released or traded, it's quite possible. OTOH, perhaps someone will be drafted in the later rounds with that function in mind.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Just commented it's not even close between Murray and Deion talent wise read my post. Murray had 100 more carries than anyone else because he was successful running the ball so the Cowboys kept feeding him. The Cowboys are going to have to change the way they play in 2015 if they can't run the ball as effectively as they did this past season. Losing Murray may end up being equivalent to the 90's teams losing Emmitt if the team can't make up for his production which included 13 TD's.

He provided almost 2300 all purpose yards in 2014 that's a lot of production to have to replace on a team that has a QB who desperately needs a running game due to back issues. IF we can get a good RB in the draft with some real explosiveness everyone will forget about Murray but if we end up with a bust who's gone in 3-4 years we'll be regretting ever letting him go especially if he's leading Philly past us every year.

Crazy talk.
First Murray is Deion.
Now Murray is Emmitt.


Goodness gracious.


I know you are kidding... Stop it... Lol

Shock value posting... You are like tmz.

 

[xwalker]

I wonder if Dunbar becomes the kick returner/punt returner this year with his speed.

Yes, if he is on the team. I don't know if they worry much about KR these days because of the very high percentage of touch-backs. The PR is now a big concern.