Why isn't Joseph Randle starter material?

was the success of running game due to Murray? or OL? is McFadden that much worse than Gurley? who also has injury history

so In your opinion, McFadden and Williams and Randle are scrubs?

I guess we have to agree to disagree. we may get to playoffs again. but until we address the defense, we will not get to the superbowl and the rushing game is not going to get us there. I rather focus on superbowl than playoffs.

Has any of the three backs you listed done anything in the NFL? No, they haven't. Yes, McFadden is not on the same level as Gurley. Let's be honest, until he signed with Dallas, there wasn't a poster here that would say McFadden has been anything other than a first round bust. This oline is good, but not good enough to make any RB look great. The great line of the 1990's was one of the best of all time, but It took E. Smith to get the most out of them. Why are you so anxious to take the biggest strength of the team and weaken it? The rushing game got this team to the playoffs and a blown call is what stopped this team. The defense is getting upgraded. There is no need to panic if they decide to maintain a great running game while they do it. Drafting the 5th best DT or DE at 27 is not going to get Dallas to the Super Bowl. If the running game collapses and the defense is on the field too much, it won't matter if they spend the entire draft on defense. They will not hold up.
 
that will forever be true. so does it mean you should never draft a defensive player?

your premise is that we are a RB from the superbowl. I disagree with that premise.

I am not only thinking 2015, which is shortsighted t begin with. I am thinking long term. build a good defense and you have a chance. a good defense will mask a lot of issues.

You are not one RB from the Super Bowl, but you are one RB away from from being an average team. You are overlooking the reason that there are even hopes of playoffs and Super Bowls, a great running game.
 
He is.

Folks got unreasonable when Williams had a decent preseason
 
With all the talk about drafting a running back high, and the possibilty of trading for AD, why is it that Randle isnt starter material? at worst we could form a rbbc between him McFadden and Williams... do we absolutely have to a one bell cow type of back?

Randle will be in his 3rd year, so we have had time to develop and bring him along, last year he should some flashes with the limited opprotunities he had.

I see McFadden as a CJ Spiller type, good change of pace back. possible KR also

Williams, I'm not sure what he is, the FO seems to really like him, probably a good compliment to the other backs.

Other than the fact that he is an idiot?!!!
 
He's very average talent wise and very below average person wise.

Cowboys should kick him to the curb. Let him hitch a ride to L.A. with Richardson and Crabtree.
 
Honestly, I thought Randle looked great last season.

He is an idiot but he improved a ton from one year to the next- which shows me that he must be a hard worker in the gym and in practice.
 
Honestly, I thought Randle looked great last season.

He is an idiot but he improved a ton from one year to the next- which shows me that he must be a hard worker in the gym and in practice.

I agree but I refuse to let myself read into it that much mainly due to Troy Hambrick. Hambrick looked to be the next big thing in a reserve role.
 
The rushing game got this team to the playoffs and a blown call is what stopped this team. The defense is getting upgraded. There is no need to panic if they decide to maintain a great running game while they do it. Drafting the 5th best DT or DE at 27 is not going to get Dallas to the Super Bowl. If the running game collapses and the defense is on the field too much, it won't matter if they spend the entire draft on defense. They will not hold up.

The blown call is just one part of what stopped last years team. The defense struggled against Rodgers. Who knows what we will do at 27 but we are not locked in to taking a DL by any means. I personally think we go CB or trade down. I'm not worried about the running game falling apart if we don't go RB at 27. There are plenty of other chances to grab a RB even in FA. We have to restock the defense.
 
Has any of the three backs you listed done anything in the NFL? No, they haven't. Yes, McFadden is not on the same level as Gurley. Let's be honest, until he signed with Dallas, there wasn't a poster here that would say McFadden has been anything other than a first round bust. This oline is good, but not good enough to make any RB look great. The great line of the 1990's was one of the best of all time, but It took E. Smith to get the most out of them. Why are you so anxious to take the biggest strength of the team and weaken it? The rushing game got this team to the playoffs and a blown call is what stopped this team. The defense is getting upgraded. There is no need to panic if they decide to maintain a great running game while they do it. Drafting the 5th best DT or DE at 27 is not going to get Dallas to the Super Bowl. If the running game collapses and the defense is on the field too much, it won't matter if they spend the entire draft on defense. They will not hold up.

I am not anxious to take a strength and make it a weakness. is the strength the OL or the RB? I am of the firm belief that with the running game, even with AP we will make it to the playoffs...but not the superbowl until we address the defense. the options I outlined if you read through the entire thread and response is that we can get a RB in the middle rounds ala Murray!!!!!!!! I rather get one of the DEs, CBs and DTs in the first couple of rounds as opposed to get a RB and make it to the playoffs and watch the team not be able to stop a one legged QB, with the 1800 yard back standing on the sideline atching.

a blown call is an excuse....it is what it is. some will argue there was a blown call against cowboys in the Detroit game and they would have a legitimate gripe.

drafting the 20th ranked DT or DE in the 2nd or 3rd round and a first round RB is not going to get us to the superbowl neither. it will get us to playoffs and that's about it. if you are happy with that, then great!!!!! enjoy the playoffs....

this is a deep RB draft and dallas can get a good RB in the middle round, as opposed burning a first round pick on a first round RB....

winning a superbowl is not like winning a fantasy football league...its not about yards rushed by a RB!!!!
 
You are not one RB from the Super Bowl, but you are one RB away from from being an average team. You are overlooking the reason that there are even hopes of playoffs and Super Bowls, a great running game.

we are a good defense away from being a superbowl. I am not overlooking the hope. I am being realistic that AP who is probably the best RB in the league is not going to put us over the top..... fix the defense and we still will have a good team. and have a chance at superbowl. at the end of the day, we had a good offensive output against GB and couldn't STOP them when it counted...... these are the top rushing teams in the NFL last year. and lets not assume that OH we beat seattle during the season and that's an automatic victory if we would have met them again........

1- Seattle
2- cowboys
3- Jets
4- Niners
5- Texans
6- Bengals
7- Panthers
8 - Ravens
9 - Eagles
10- Chiefs

half of them didn't make the playoffs. the one that made the superbowl had a top defense. and NE made it with a bunch of scrubs as RBs and average WRs and improved defense. and seattle lost the superbowl on a defensive stop...... defense wins championships. offense looks good in the stat sheets and fantasy league
 
I am not anxious to take a strength and make it a weakness. is the strength the OL or the RB? I am of the firm belief that with the running game, even with AP we will make it to the playoffs...but not the superbowl until we address the defense. the options I outlined if you read through the entire thread and response is that we can get a RB in the middle rounds ala Murray!!!!!!!! I rather get one of the DEs, CBs and DTs in the first couple of rounds as opposed to get a RB and make it to the playoffs and watch the team not be able to stop a one legged QB, with the 1800 yard back standing on the sideline atching.

a blown call is an excuse....it is what it is. some will argue there was a blown call against cowboys in the Detroit game and they would have a legitimate gripe.

drafting the 20th ranked DT or DE in the 2nd or 3rd round and a first round RB is not going to get us to the superbowl neither. it will get us to playoffs and that's about it. if you are happy with that, then great!!!!! enjoy the playoffs....

this is a deep RB draft and dallas can get a good RB in the middle round, as opposed burning a first round pick on a first round RB....

winning a superbowl is not like winning a fantasy football league...its not about yards rushed by a RB!!!!

Do you really want to discuss E. Smith and his part in the SuperBowl teams? I think it has been proven that a great running game is a combination of the oline and RB play. But sure, let's draft a mid -round jag and win a Super Bowl. That sounds like a winner. At 27, they would be lucky to get a defensive player that would play 25% of the snaps. A top running RB could easily be the offensive ROY. Which is going to help the most?
 
You mean those Super Bowl teams Emmitt was a part of that had the #1 defense? We are far from that now.
Can you name a defensive pick at 27 that will have the same impact on this team as a RB? Let's look at reality , without the running game, they will be back to 8-8. I am all for upgrading the defense, but reaching getting the 3rd or 4th best defender at their defensive position, compared to a top RB sounds like reaching for the sake of going defense. I am not for upgrading any position if it means losing the biggest strength of the team and the running game is the biggest strength. I figure one pick on a RB is not going to stop from upgrading the defense in any way, but it will maintain the the thing that has brought the team out of a repeated cycle of average. Another point to consider is the salary cap. You can't have a top defense and offense with star players like the 1990's teams had.
 
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Can you name a defensive pick at 27 that will have the same impact on this team as a RB?
There will be a CB available for us there and considering the Carr/Mo situation we have that would be a smart way to go. We can get a RB anytime not just at 27. Especially if that RB isn't going to get a 2nd contract. And what makes you think we could get the top RB at 27? Both Gurley and Gordon could be gone by then. If we are even interested in one of them.
 
I want to see how our secondary performs with a decent pass rush. With how CBs have looked coming out of college recently, I'm not too excited about taking another CB in the first round. The bust rate with corners seem to be on the rise as of late. I don't think we should ignore the position, but I don't know about grabbing one that early.
 
There will be a CB available for us there and considering the Carr/Mo situation we have that would be a smart way to go. We can get a RB anytime not just at 27. Especially if that RB isn't going to get a 2nd contract. And what makes you think we could get the top RB at 27? Both Gurley and Gordon could be gone by then. If we are even interested in one of them.

Mo/Carr is not a situation. They will both be on the roster. Add Scandrick in the mix and that means a CB would sit on the bench. How is that going to help? Dallas wants a RB. Every decent RB in this draft has visited.
 
Mo/Carr is not a situation. They will both be on the roster. Add Scandrick in the mix and that means a CB would sit on the bench. How is that going to help? Dallas wants a RB. Every decent RB in this draft has visited.

So you are counting on MO? What if we cut Carr? CB is an issue. Yes RB's have visited but that doesn't mean we are going that direction at 27.
 
So you are counting on MO? What if we cut Carr? CB is an issue. Yes RB's have visited but that doesn't mean we are going that direction at 27.

I am not counting on them and I don't like either one of them, but they will be on the roster .
 
Do you really want to discuss E. Smith and his part in the SuperBowl teams? I think it has been proven that a great running game is a combination of the oline and RB play. But sure, let's draft a mid -round jag and win a Super Bowl. That sounds like a winner. At 27, they would be lucky to get a defensive player that would play 25% of the snaps. A top running RB could easily be the offensive ROY. Which is going to help the most?

again, if you really read my responses, you would get the point that I don't disagree with the fact that a good RB makes a difference in the running game. I have never not say that. My point is we don't need a first round RB to be a superbowl contender. our issue last year wasn't the running game. it was the defense. I don't think running game is precursor to winning a superbowl, nor a great RB. new England is a great example. giants won it without a great RB. Ray Rice as good as he was, wasn't great RB. all those teams had good OL, good QB play and good defense. seattle had a great suffocating defense. Indy made it to the AFC championship without bottom of the heap RBs. in the end they could score but couldnt' stop NE from scoring. and NE did the scoring with average RBs. Ravens took NE to the edge with Foster a 30 year old Rb who had a ho-hum career.

I totally disagree that we can't get a defensive player that will only take 25% of the snaps. I think you can get a player that will contribute a lot more. we have Hayden as starting DT in one spot. you want to tell me a first round DT is not going to be better than him? Carr is at the end of his useful cycle. Claiborne is a bust. you want to tell me we can't get a CB that can start by mid season or earlier?

and what's the difference between a first round RB and a 3rd round RB? murray was a third rounder. foster was a mid round pick. morris was a 6th round pick. productive Rbs are much easier to find in mid rounds compared to finding Cbs and DTs. fact is that despite your comparison of emmitt smith, this is a different NFL, with RBs devalued. passing game emphasized. and its not a surprise to see Murray's output increase and his productivity increase as we addressed the OL.

again, at the end of the day, we had an 1800 yard RB watching the defense from the sideline because they couldn't get off the field. if you are OK with that, then great, lets draft a RB, lets trade for AP. and we can watch the same thing happen. NFL games aren't won or lost on total yards like fantasy football leage.

I don't care about ROY or any fantasy points a RB might get. Frankly I am really sruprised you mention that as an incentive to get a RB? really? those are not the trophies that I would like the cowboys put on the mantle. if we don't address the defense we are not going to win anything.


we can still be a productive offense without an all world, ROY RB. and to your point. a RB might make us competitive and into the playoffs. delaying on drafting and adding defensive talent, specially as you indicate it takes longer for htem to become productive, then it delays our opportunity and chance to win a superbowl. I don't care about making it to the playoffs. I want to win superbowls. to win superbowls you need a defense. no ifs buts or thens about it. its been proven over and over that you don't need a top notch RB to win a superbowl. can't deny facts.

I think drafting defense in the first round is going to help us more. 100%. ability to get off the field on 3rd downs will directly lead to more offensive possessions and to more scoring opportunities. I disagree that you can't find a productive defensive player at #27 spot. if anything, recent history of drafting RBs in the first round has been nothing but bust after bust. history of draft tells us good, great RBs are found in mid rounds all the time.
 
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I agree but I refuse to let myself read into it that much mainly due to Troy Hambrick. Hambrick looked to be the next big thing in a reserve role.

Only if you compare their stats. Anyone who watched Hambrick play knew he was garbage despite his stats. Randle has talent, unlike hambrick, and has the ability to be a good starter.

Mentally, on the other hand...
 

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