Adrian Peterson threatening retirement

[Doomsday101]

That's not answering the question. Do you expect the Vikings will honor the contract that they're saying Peterson should?

I think they have honored the deal it was a 6 year deal not a 3 year deal, I think if Peterson chooses to play and not retire Minn is paying 15 mill for his services and once the season starts they are on the hook for it

 

[superonyx]

So you would give him whatever he wants? Players run the team and demand what they want and teams should just bow down and give it to them? I don't think so. Here this is simple the deal was based on 6 years not 3 year and AP needs to get over himself and do his job or retire.

I would absolutely give him what he wants. I would look at the situation and if I didn't plan to cut him after this year I would guarantee more of his contract. If I were not willing to do that then I would have traded him. Players are the team. I wouldn't not pay $15 million to anyone who doesn't want to be here.

You say he needs to do his job, get over himself, or retire....let's say you are right...but you are not him and he still has other options other than what you listed. These options will hurt your team and you will lose more than what you gained by keeping him around.

 

[superonyx]

So you would give him whatever he wants? Players run the team and demand what they want and teams should just bow down and give it to them? I don't think so. Here this is simple the deal was based on 6 years not 3 year and AP needs to get over himself and do his job or retire.

You see if the Vikings are not willing to give Peterson security he desires then he will have to give himself security by making business decisions and only giving enough to get his salary and then his release.

The contracts are one sided in the NFL. There have been many articles written about that already. Peterson will get another contract that he wants from another team after this season regardless.

The Vikings are in a no win situation. And no winning on principles does not equate to winning on the field come Sunday. This is why they are a 2nd tier organization.

 

[Doomsday101]

I would absolutely give him what he wants. I would look at the situation and if I didn't plan to cut him after this year I would guarantee more of his contract. If I were not willing to do that then I would have traded him. Players are the team. I wouldn't not pay $15 million to anyone who doesn't want to be here.

You say he needs to do his job, get over himself, or retire....let's say you are right...but you are not him and he still has other options other than what you listed. These options will hurt your team and you will lose more than what you gained by keeping him around.

So you give him what he wants and he still does not want to be in Minn and does not have to play hard since he is guaranteed money and Minn has no choice but to pay it. I have never once said a player can't say he wants more, I have never heard a player say you know the year you gave me all that money and I got hurt yet you still paid me I should give some back, or you know I only rushed for 1,266 yard in 2013 which was not exactly great so here take some money back. It never will happen nor do I expect that to happen, Minn made the deal and paid him regardless of injury or less than a great season. Now they are at a point that while they still have 3 years left the ball is in their court, they want him for 2015 and willing to pay out to a tune of 15.4 mill. I think they have done more than right by AP. Risk is not a 1 way street, teams take risk when they hand out these big contracts. Dallas has handed out big contracts only to see players not live up to them but they got their pay.

You think Carr has lived up to his? Dallas is still paying and there is nothing they can do when it comes to the guaranteed portion of the deal

 

[Doomsday101]

You see if the Vikings are not willing to give Peterson security he desires then he will have to give himself security by making business decisions and only giving enough to get his salary and then his release.

The contracts are one sided in the NFL. There have been many articles written about that already. Peterson will get another contract that he wants from another team after this season regardless.

The Vikings are in a no win situation. And no winning on principles does not equate to winning on the field come Sunday. This is why they are a 2nd tier organization.

AP can't get another contract from another team he is a Viking for the next 3 years unless they choose to trade him or release him. Viking are in a win situation they are no longer on the hook as they have been. Yes they will owe him for this season once the year is underway and it will be more money than any RB throughout the entire NFL. At the end of the year should Minn choose not to continue on with AP they can release with no hit to their cap and he is free to go where he wants.

 

[superonyx]

So you give him what he wants and he still does not want to be in Minn and does not have to play hard since he is guaranteed money and Minn has no choice but to pay it. I have never once said a player can't say he wants more, I have never heard a player say you know the year you gave me all that money and I got hurt yet you still paid me I should give some back, or you know I only rushed for 1,266 yard in 2013 which was not exactly great so here take some money back. It never will happen nor do I expect that to happen, Minn made the deal and paid him regardless of injury or less than a great season. Now they are at a point that while they still have 3 years left the ball is in their court, they want him for 2015 and willing to pay out to a tune of 15.4 mill. I think they have done more than right by AP. Risk is not a 1 way street, teams take risk when they hand out these big contracts. Dallas has handed out big contracts only to see players not live up to them but they got their pay.

You think Carr has lived up to his? Dallas is still paying and there is nothing they can do when it comes to the guaranteed portion of the deal

If you have a fear that giving him a guarantee will make him not play hard then the choice is simply.
You trade him and move on.
I get the principle of the whole thing. But that doesn't matter in a situation like this.
Can't you see that what you are proposing the Vikings do is a terrible decision? They are sending the message to the rest of the team that they don't feel they are good enough to win without this guy. Yes the Vikings have done right by AP, sure they don't owe him anything. None of that matters when someone doesn't want to play for you.

All that matters is what's in AP's head and if forcing him to play for you this year is worth the risk. I feel it's a terrible decision to force him to stay. Does it suck for Minnesota? Sure. But they need to be thinking about minimizing the risk and loss. No way keeping him when he doesn't want to be there is ever the right decision.
This is a by product of owners getting the types of contracts they want. Most of the time the owners win. But when faced with a losing situation the smart thing to do is to minimize the loss and let him go.

 

[Doomsday101]

If you have a fear that giving him a guarantee will make him not play hard then the choice is simply.
You trade him and move on.
I get the principle of the whole thing. But that doesn't matter in a situation like this.
Can't you see that what you are proposing the Vikings do is a terrible decision? They are sending the message to the rest of the team that they don't feel they are good enough to win without this guy. Yes the Vikings have done right by AP, sure they don't owe him anything. None of that matters when someone doesn't want to play for you.

All that matters is what's in AP's head and if forcing him to play for you this year is worth the risk. I feel it's a terrible decision to force him to stay. Does it suck for Minnesota? Sure. But they need to be thinking about minimizing the risk and loss. No way keeping him when he doesn't want to be there is ever the right decision.
This is a by product of owners getting the types of contracts they want. Most of the time the owners win. But when faced with a losing situation the smart thing to do is to minimize the loss and let him go.

No I see Cowboy fans wanting AP here. Minn pay him they are stupid, they don't pay him they are being mean and wrong. AP will rejoin the team when the mandatory camps start and I have no doubts will play hard. He is using this time to try to get more upfront money in hand that is his right to ask and it is Minn right to say we paid for your services to a very high tune of 36 mill not based on 3 years but based on 6 and we expect you to do your job and I think he will

 

[superonyx]

AP can't get another contract from another team he is a Viking for the next 3 years unless they choose to trade him or release him. Viking are in a win situation they are no longer on the hook as they have been. Yes they will owe him for this season once the year is underway and it will be more money than any RB throughout the entire NFL. At the end of the year should Minn choose not to continue on with AP they can release with no hit to their cap and he is free to go where he wants.

Paying $15 million this year isn't a winning situation when you are paying it to a guy who doesn't want to play for you anymore. Coming out and telling him that he plays for you or he doesn't play sent him over the edge. The Vikings had the contract written so they were in the winning situation. They didn't know it would turn to this obviously.

The Viking have no plans to keep him for another 3 years otherwise they would guarantee more of his contract.

 

[Doomsday101]

Paying $15 million this year isn't a winning situation when you are paying it to a guy who doesn't want to play for you anymore. Coming out and telling him that he plays for you or he doesn't play sent him over the edge. The Vikings had the contract written so they were in the winning situation. They didn't know it would turn to this obviously.

The Viking have no plans to keep him for another 3 years otherwise they would guarantee more of his contract.

Why now he says he does want to play for them but wants more guaranteed money, Minn being on the hook for the remaining 47 mill would be stupid, he is a 30 year old RB and AP is not getting 15 million from any other team out there. If he came to Dallas in likely would be no more than 2 years at less than 15 mill. He can make more in Minn this year alone than any wheres.

 

[superonyx]

No I see Cowboy fans wanting AP here. Minn pay him they are stupid, they don't pay him they are being mean and wrong. AP will rejoin the team when the mandatory camps start and I have no doubts will play hard. He is using this time to try to get more upfront money in hand that is his right to ask and it is Minn right to say we paid for your services to a very high tune of 36 mill not based on 3 years but based on 6 and we expect you to do your job and I think he will

Peterson wasn't asking for more upfront money until after the draft. He was asking to be traded. If it was just about getting Minnesota to give you more upfront you don't have your agent get into a shouting match with the Front Office and tell everyone Peterson won't play another down for the Vikings.

This is much larger than a contract. It's now about a contract because he realizes the chances of a trade are slim and asking for one wasn't effective. This is how Peterson tells the Vikings that he won't be happy playing for them in spite of the fact that they didn't trade him for whatever reason. He is making the Vikings realize that keeping him isn't the win they thought it was when they ignored his trade request.

 

[superonyx]

Why now he says he does want to play for them but wants more guaranteed money, Minn being on the hook for the remaining 47 mill would be stupid, he is a 30 year old RB and AP is not getting 15 million from any other team out there. If he came to Dallas in likely would be no more than 2 years at less than 15 mill. He can make more in Minn this year alone than any wheres.

Then why was he asking to be traded? You don't ask to be traded and actually be happy to play for them at the same time. Doesn't make sense.

 

[Rogah]

I think it's great that you have all of this insider info about exactly what Peterson wants. When was the last time you've spoken directly to him?

Gee, I didn't realize that speculating was against forum rules.

Tell us, smart guy, which part of my statement do you disagree with? Do you think he would rather get $16 million over the next 2 years or $13 million over the next 1 year (then be a UFA)?

 

[Doomsday101]

Peterson wasn't asking for more upfront money until after the draft. He was asking to be traded. If it was just about getting Minnesota to give you more upfront you don't have your agent get into a shouting match with the Front Office and tell everyone Peterson won't play another down for the Vikings.

This is much larger than a contract. It's now about a contract because he realizes the chances of a trade are slim and asking for one wasn't effective. This is how Peterson tells the Vikings that he won't be happy playing for them in spite of the fact that they didn't trade him for whatever reason. He is making the Vikings realize that keeping him isn't the win they thought it was when they ignored his trade request.

And Vikes are telling him they paid for it, they neve asked for 1 red cent back from AP injury below avg season nothing they paid in full. He is not going to get more money anywhere else he is a 30 year old back not many 30 year old backs will ever see a 15 mill dollar contact, if all he has is this year at 15 and Minn then chooses to let him go then he does himself no favors by slacking this season, it will only drive other teams away in 2016. If he puts up a bad season, fumbles a lot no one will want him for any amount.

 

[Rogah]

They have to. They have no choice! There's no 'action' involved on their part.

It costs Minnesota more to have Adrian Peterson than it would for any other team in the NFL. If he were released, no team in the NFL would assume a cap hit of $13 million for 2015.

That's correct but they would have to give a huge signing bonus.

No team would have to assume a cap hit that large, but also no team would get him for fewer real dollars.

 

[Doomsday101]

Then why was he asking to be traded? You don't ask to be traded and actually be happy to play for them at the same time. Doesn't make sense.

To try and force Minn hand into paying him more guaranteed money, this did not just pop up after the draft there had been talk about this well before then, heck AP dad had made those comments soon after AP was reinstated and now the agent is asking for the same what a coincidence . AP wants a good portion of the 47 mill in hand and using this as a means to get it. Minn on the other hand will call his bluff since they hold the cards.

 

[Rogah]

No one is trying to dispute that the Vikings have paid what they were required to pay. The point that many of us are trying to make is that Peterson is asking the Vikings to provide guarantees that they will honor the same contract they keep insisting that he honor.

I sure wish someone would explain what part of the contract the Vikings are not honoring. Have they withheld any payments for services rendered? Have they failed to provide the amount of guaranteed money agreed to? Is there any single thing in the contract promised to Peterson that has not been provided?

According to your own logic, any time a team cuts a player with time left on his deal, they are not "honoring the contract." I am sure that means you think Dallas should immediately convert all time remaining on all their players' contracts into guaranteed dollars. Otherwise they're not honoring the contracts, right? Right?

Practice what they're preaching to him and not be hypocrites. He's calling an obvious bluff.

And the have the same 'right' to allow this bad situation to fester. They have the 'right' to look like a second rate franchise involved in a public dispute with their best player, trying to force him to come back.

The 2nd rate franchises are the ones who cave into player demands. I respect the Vikings for not doing so.

 

[Rogah]

They will be hypocrites if and when they don't honor the contract. So far the Vikings have fully honored their end of the deal. At this present moment the Vikings aren't hypocrites. Peterson is as he is the one that wants to change the contract terms.

I'll ask you the same question: How are they not honoring the contract? Please do keep in mind that the contract is structured in such a way (in conjuntiton with the CBA) such that each of the final 3 years are club options, and there are no guarantees how the club will exercise those options.

 

[superonyx]

And Vikes are telling him they paid for it, they neve asked for 1 red cent back from AP injury below avg season nothing they paid in full. He is not going to get more money anywhere else he is a 30 year old back not many 30 year old backs will ever see a 15 mill dollar contact, if all he has is this year at 15 and Minn then chooses to let him go then he does himself no favors by slacking this season, it will only drive other teams away in 2016. If he puts up a bad season, fumbles a lot no one will want him for any amount.

I disagree. People will write off a bad season due to the obvious issues he has playing for the Vikings.

However I am on the fence with him anyway. I don't know what kind of contract he will demand and I don't know that Dallas will agree to a deal with him even if he was cut. Only our front office knows that.

I believe 100% that the Vikings are making a mistake by keeping him when he doesn't want to be there. He had 1200 yards in 2013. They will end up getting nothing in return when he has another 1200 yards this year and gets cut after the season due to his salary ect. This is what teams do when they have no marketable faces on the roster who can sell the tickets and luxury boxes like Peterson does.

 

[Doomsday101]

I sure wish someone would explain what part of the contract the Vikings are not honoring. Have they withheld any payments for services rendered? Have they failed to provide the amount of guaranteed money agreed to? Is there any single thing in the contract promised to Peterson that has not been provided?

According to your own logic, any time a team cuts a player with time left on his deal, they are not "honoring the contract." I am sure that means you think Dallas should immediately convert all time remaining on all their players' contracts into guaranteed dollars. Otherwise they're not honoring the contracts, right? Right?

Practice what they're preaching to him and not be hypocrites. He's calling an obvious bluff.
The 2nd rate franchises are the ones who cave into player demands. I respect the Vikings for not doing so.

By the same token, does the player owe money back to the team when they are released and the team is still on the hook for portion of the guaranteed money? Of course not. Teams takes big risk with these large guaranteed deals and in many cases it comes back to bite the team

 

[Rogah]

By the same token, does the player owe money back to the team when they are released and the team is still on the hook for portion of the guaranteed money? Of course not. Teams takes big risk with these large guaranteed deals and in many cases it comes back to bite the team

That's a silly analogy. When the deal was signed, everyone knew that if the Vikings cut him, he keeps the signing bonus (and would be due all guaranteed funds). Everybody also knew that the final 3 years of the deal were each club options, with no obligation for the Vikes to keep him, no obligation for the Vikes to cut him, and no obligation for the Vikes to trade him. Their only obligation is if they keep him, they have to pay $13/$15/$17 million respectively.

If he didn't like those terms, he should not have signed the deal.