News: Bob Sturm: Why I was so wrong about Cowboys coach Jason Garrett

[CowboyRoy]

Credit for making changes within the personnel, weeding out some me guys and helping put together a cast of players who by and large are highly motivated players willing to do what they have to do to win. Credit for changes within the staff.

Are you implying that Garrett handles the player acquisition as in the draft and FA? He decides who goes and who stays?

Wouldnt that be the job of the scouting and GM? AS in the draft, FA, player salaries.

Are you also implying that Garrett made the decision to replace himself as OC?

You are also saying then that Garrett made the decision to hire Marinelli.

 

[CATCH17]

OMG.......play action? That is another topic unto itself. Garretts lack of play action. What a difference.

Deception in general. Or taking advantage of all these rules that favor the offense.


Nah.. We'll just make our receivers run 25 yards downfield every play.

We throw in 1 little wrinkle with getting Witten and Beasley squatted down in the middle of the defense and it changes years of struggling.

It took all of Garretts career and half of another season for that clown to finally decide to not be so stubborn and make an adjustment instead of letting teams load the box and press us out wide.

 

[waving monkey]

when we go deeper into the play offs or win the SB this year I dont want to hear any mea cupa's
from the anti Red crowd.You have had time ample time to see the talent and whats coming.
When anyone cant see whats so obvious as where this team is headed then the special ed class is all I can see for ya. The boo crowd are now simply trolls and I have no use for that.

 

[Doomsday101]

Are you implying that Garrett handles the player acquisition as in the draft and FA? He decides who goes and who stays?

Wouldnt that be the job of the scouting and GM? AS in the draft, FA, player salaries.

Are you also implying that Garrett made the decision to replace himself as OC?

You are also saying then that Garrett made the decision to hire Marinelli.

He has a big role in that process yes as most coaches do.
Salaries? No, nor did Jimmy Johnson
I'm saying that after looking at this situation he agreed that it was in the best interest.
Lastly it was Kiffin along with Marinelli and yes Garrett had a big say in that. Does not mean no other imput was given. It was Garrett who moved Marinelli from DL coach to take over DC job.

 

[CowboyGil]

Well, you got me. I dont now how to spell Marinelli?

Thank You.
Continue rant.

 

[xwalker]

Yah, we are just not on the same page. Wade took over a team that Parcells couldnt get past 10-6 and improve the defense. Romo also had more experience. That is why they went 13-3. The team faltered because Jones whiffed on too many drafts and made bad trades and our line started to falter.

Garrett took over a team that had injuries early and got off to a terrible start. A team that was 11-5 the year before. So he got an 11-5 team to go 5-3. That was barely beating an Eagles team the last game of the year playing thier 3rd string.

I dont see Garrett building a winning mentality. Jones has brought in more talent, and we have great coordinators now. Marianelli is doing his part with the D, and linehan ran the ball like Garrett should have been doing. If Garrett still handles the offense and he is last in the league in rushing attempts again, this team goes 8-8 or close to it and we miss the playoff again.

Jones got smart and saw that Garrett running the offense was a disaster. So he needed REAL coaches to run both sides of the ball. So he finally has Garrett where he can be affective. After 8 years of learning on the job and hampering Wades job and Romo's career.

It was the defense that really tanked in Wade's final 1/2 season. That defense had plenty of talent. It was their mindset that was the problem, not talent.

You said that Garret was bad years ago and now you have a need to try to prove that you were right despite mounds of evidence to the contrary.

Again, referencing Garrett as an OC is just getting off topic from the question of his ability as a Head Coach. Linehan works for Garrett and had to have approval from Garrett to be a run heavy offense.

 

[Doomsday101]

"I came away from the interview process with Jason (Garrett) with a feeling that Dallas is the right place to be," Kiffin said. "He has this team headed in the right direction."
When he left the Trojans, he cited a desire to return to the NFL.
The Buccaneers finished in the top 10 in total defense and scoring defense in 11 of Kiffin's 13 years and won the Super Bowl in 2002.
He was one of the architects of the Tampa-2 system that many teams employ today and was able to build his defenses around Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks, Ronde Barber, John Lynch and Simeon Rice.
Kiffin will have to retool a defense that has been in a 3-4 scheme since 2005 and might lose outside linebacker Anthony Spencer to free agency.
"Obviously, that scheme will offer some changes to our defensive approach moving forward," Cowboys coach Jason Garrett said. "I have spent the better part of the past two days in conversation with Monte regarding those changes, and we feel very good about our personnel being able to fit the philosophy.
"I know Monte from spending time together with him with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and had a chance to see him coach up close on a day-to-day basis. His ability to teach everything -- from the smallest fundamental details to the big picture of the overall defensive scheme -- was always very impressive to me."

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story...in-named-defensive-coordinator-dallas-cowboys

Only reason Marinelli came to Dallas was because of Monte Kiffin. There job was to take a 3-4 defense and convert to a 4-3 defense.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Football is pretty simple stuff.

Running, passing, Defense, special teams. Your job as a coach is to win and imp


He 100% did. They showed the draft cam with sound when Jones looked at Garrett and said who do you want to draft. He said Felix Jones. Jones drafted him 20 seconds later.

Of course it shows something. It shows that instead of telling him to draft a lineman or defense, he thought the biggest need for this team was a complimentary scat back to team with Barber. How wrong can you possibly be?

ok, then why the focus on running running running s he root cause of everything and the single thing that made garrett failure?. if you need all 4 to win?

also, as the original poster said. you are focusing on one missed draft pick. there are plenty he hit on. but the anti garrett crowd wants to associate every ad choice or play or game on garrett. but every good one to somebody else. lets not forget coach putz drafted mike jenkings and Jason Williams. yet some how that's garrett's fault.

if you also look at draft records of coach billicheat and all other great coaches. they have plenty of misses but generally hit on more good ones than not. if you expect a 100% hit on every first round pick. you will never find a coach in the league who is going to meet that criteria.

and to the original posters point, is you have a process. hired the people to do evaluations (did somebody mention mcclay like 9000 times), yet you decide to move away from your draft? why?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I'm speaking of the confirmed/established winning culture that many are attributing to this team? One playoff win secures that belief?

no. but its the first one. its a victory. lets not p!ss on it. its a trend of one as suppose to trend of 0!

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Indy had 2 100 rushers in the SB.

Steelers had a top 5 defense.

NO had a defense that led the league in turnovers.

Your perception is lacking.

ahhh, this was just in 2014......I think you jumped the gun and had a premature ejaculation.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Oh....got it now...like Garrett did with GB and Detroit. Now I understand.

oh wait. I thought it was all linehan last year. but when we don't run the ball it because of garrett...got it ;-)

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Cowboys pass happy, poor defense, no run game = 8-8 8-8 8-8

Cowboys with Dominant run game = 12-4

So are you suggestion we abandon the run game this year because its a pass happy league? LOL

I don't suggest anything.

but cowboys with a better defense. better ability to run the ball (non injured RB, an OL you can trust, etc.). equals 12-4.....again you are attributing the 12-4 records to dominant running game only.

 

[Doomsday101]

oh wait. I thought it was all linehan last year. but when we don't run the ball it because of garrett...got it ;-)

That is a common ploy used by some here. It is the same way with Jerry, anything that good is someone else and all bad was Jerry fault. Garrett faces the same thing, days when offense did not perform great that was Jason but other times that was all Linehan. With that logic in ensure that credit will never be given but blame is a constant.

 

[CCBoy]

It was the defense that really tanked in Wade's final 1/2 season. That defense had plenty of talent. It was their mindset that was the problem, not talent.

You said that Garret was bad years ago and now you have a need to try to prove that you were right despite mounds of evidence to the contrary.

Again, referencing Garrett as an OC is just getting off topic from the question of his ability as a Head Coach. Linehan works for Garrett and had to have approval from Garrett to be a run heavy offense.

Wade was a good 'ol boy. He threw a jazzed up barbeque on his ranch, but allowed a lazy attitude fester in the hope of stopping injury. Camp Marshmellow didn't forge a new season, by vainly tried to hold onto the past with his own thoughts mixed with his growing old players.

He was pulled in season, and replaced by Jason Garrett. Now, there is nothing Jason could have done at that point, to have saved face to many spoiled fans - who merely would accept only a picture of increases in Lombardis. That points to a low ebb in fans, not an inept arrival of Jason Garrett.

Jerry knew what it took for growth and a potential dynasty franchise, and invested in that same Jason Garrett.

Jason had great leadership skills, and knew the core ingredients of a NFL type of integrity and sense of morales. Jason sought out top quality, but also at the same time, leadership and commitment to work and mix it up on the field. Instead of coaches that slapped him on the back, Jason invested in quality coaches that could hold the players to standards and be a key ingredient in a long termed Championship building. This is a great blend of coaches, with both Coordinators as intense and empowered as were Norv Turner and Dave Wannstedt, under Jimmy Johnson.

Jason has the ability to build just as strong a team as did Jimmy Johnson, but with a better team orientation and commitment as well. Jason heads a great leadership group that are his coaching staff.

Both Jimmy and Jason required time to build a truely competitive team. But the major difference now, is that Jason doesn't also bite off heads and pee down the nubs to get results from his players. But he does have an empowered Jerry Jones to assist him in getting players. I'm thinking that the signing of Collins this off season, says a ton as to directions now.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

How much success did the Cowboys have last year with a dominant run game? duuuughghg..............bububububut Tom Brady won without a dominant run game.

how do you get a dominant running game? by just running 2 yards at a time? how much success did cowboys have with a crappy defense? but Tom brady won without a dominant defense!!!

 

[Dodger12]

oh wait. I thought it was all linehan last year. but when we don't run the ball it because of garrett...got it ;-)

Well, that was 2013 vs GB when Garrett was calling plays, as was Garrett calling plays when we blew a huge 2nd half lead vs Detroit so I'm not sure what your point is. You also fell short earlier when refering to "pass happy" teams that actually ran more than we did. You can be a Garrett fan and we can debate it all day and respectfully disagree but lets keep it real.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Well, that was 2013 vs GB when Garrett was calling plays, as was Garrett calling plays when we blew a huge 2nd half lead vs Detroit so I'm not sure what your point is. You also fell short earlier when refering to "pass happy" teams that actually ran more than we did. You can be a Garrett fan and we can debate it all day and respectfully disagree but lets keep it real.

I think we discussed the GB game, that's the first time I ever saw Garrett call out his player, in this case Romo. Where he had called running plays which Romo then changed to a pass play on the line. the result of which was to take away some of those responsibilities from Romo in 2014. in essence simplifying it for him.

now, is that the same Detroit game, when we ran the ball 8 times for average of 4.3 yards and passed 4 times in the 4th quarter? scoring twice on TD passes? is that the game you are referring to? just want to make sure. keep in mind 3 of those runs were -3 yards. one run was 9 yards. so things are skewed. its not like we averaged 4 yards every run.

before you jump to other conclusion in the third quarter run/pass ratio was 5/9. and 5 of the passes was in the first series alone. so the rest of the way we had a 5/4 run/pass ratio.

perceptions.

 

[CATCH17]

I think we discussed the GB game, that's the first time I ever saw Garrett call out his player, in this case Romo. Where he had called running plays which Romo then changed to a pass play on the line. the result of which was to take away some of those responsibilities from Romo in 2014. in essence simplifying it for him.

now, is that the same Detroit game, when we ran the ball 8 times for average of 4.3 yards and passed 4 times in the 4th quarter? scoring twice on TD passes? is that the game you are referring to? just want to make sure. keep in mind 3 of those runs were -3 yards. one run was 9 yards. so things are skewed. its not like we averaged 4 yards every run.

before you jump to other conclusion in the third quarter run/pass ratio was 5/9. and 5 of the passes was in the first series alone. so the rest of the way we had a 5/4 run/pass ratio.

perceptions.

We gave Romo more responsibility to change plays in 2013 because Garrett sucked so bad in previous years.

Jerry was trying to do anything he could to save face and keep Garrett as the O-Coordinator.

Finally he realized we had no direction on offense thanks to JG, Stone Cold Stunned that clown, and hired Linehan to run Garretts crappy schemes.

 

[gmoney112]

Are you implying that Garrett handles the player acquisition as in the draft and FA? He decides who goes and who stays?

Wouldnt that be the job of the scouting and GM? AS in the draft, FA, player salaries.

Are you also implying that Garrett made the decision to replace himself as OC?

You are also saying then that Garrett made the decision to hire Marinelli.

He gives input, yes. As do all the position coaches.

Garrett was probably fine with not being OC, how many successful coaches are coordinators as well? I can't think of one. I guess that means Belichek just doesn't know how to call plays.

JG played under Kiffen. Marinelli came with Kiffen, and Kiffen is on record saying he held JG in high regard. You can look it up, it came out of his mouth. Who interviewed him? Jason Garrett.

The difference in record is pretty obvious. Yes the running game helped, but look at the games decided by 7 or less points in 2013. Our defense going from statistically worst in franchise history to "below average", was the big reason why we finished 12-4.

 

[BigStar]

no. but its the first one. its a victory. lets not p!ss on it. its a trend of one as suppose to trend of 0!

Didn't mean to imply that, just more so for the sake of this JG debate.