Archer: Mincey 2015 contract redone

[RJ_MacReady]

He was productive in '14 but is 31. As long as there isn't a lot of guaranteed money, which is something that S.J. has trended away from, it's not a Demarcus Ware/Jay Ratliff (Your name is 'Jay' to me, not Jeremiah, you Jabrone) and therefore not a high risk situation. IMO, when the O-line is running out of their rookie contracts, then I'll start sweating (and get on the horn with S.J. to guide him through this again). In short, we are good or my name isn't Alowishus Devadander Abercrombie.

 

[Ken]

Agree... But at the same time it gives players more incentive to put themselves in that situation.

Exactly. We reward good play....needed this after the perception with Murray.

 

[mldardy]

No, it isnt. Opens the flood gates.

Sets a very bad precedent IMO.

LOL at this overreaction. Chill man it doesn't set anything.

 

[Fletch]

Yes. One that by the end of the year, if things go to plan, is not a starter.

Expensive insurance if you ask me.

I guess we'll eventually see. Here's hoping I'm right and you are wrong.

 

[RS12]

Then have the balls to make the tough decisions.

If the guys not worth it let em sit or pay the guy.

I would have let him rot. Let;s look at the facts. Rescued of the scrap heap after a long JAG career. Has career year at age 31. Not only do they rework his deal but tie themselves to him at age 33. Now everybody that out plays their deal will be knocking on Jerry's door that has a valid contract.

 

[RS12]

LOL at this overreaction. Chill man it doesn't set anything.

LOL at the guy who would argue water wasnt wet.

 

[AsthmaField]

Sets a very bad precedent IMO.

Not necessarily.

I see where you're coming from but I think it is more likely that the other players see a low-paid free agent that out performed his contract and was taken care of by the team.

I think they also see that Dallas won't renegotiate if you stop working/don't come to camp.

There are worse things than for your fringe players to see that if you perform well enough and are a good locker room leader, the team will take care of you. And that it isn't a good idea to skip camp rather than talk it out with the team.

 

[windward]

LOL at this overreaction. Chill man it doesn't set anything.

I'm sure once we see the contract, that it really isn't that big of a deal and will probably give the team an out if he busts.

 

[Alexander]

LOL at this overreaction. Chill man it doesn't set anything.

That is assuming players do not talk and don't pay attention to these kinds of things.

Salaries in the NFL are a huge tap dance. Look at how many teams overpay for a player and they fail and the whole team folds.

There is a balance to it.

I just do not think Mincey should be elevated at a point where he should not be fighting for his job. There is talent, let him compete.

Last year, he was brought in cheap with next to zero competition. He did alright, but now he gets paid for that?

It is like a reward for simply showing up and doing your job.

 

[AsthmaField]

IMO, this actually works out better for the team. By giving him a bump in pay, they get another season out of him. Mincey really was a great leader on defense and had he played out this season, he would have likely gotten more on the open market than Dallas was willing to go. Someone like Oakland, who has a ton of cap space, would over pay just like they did for Parnell and D Harris.

The extra year was the key, IMO and made it worth their time to the Cowboys.

They basically are paying him more this year than they would have and will pay him less next year than they would have.

 

[RJ_MacReady]

I would have let him rot. Let;s look at the facts. Rescued of the scrap heap after a long JAG career. Has career year at age 31. Not only do they rework his deal but tie themselves to him at age 33. Now everybody that out plays their deal will be knocking on Jerry's deal that has a valid contract.

As long as we don't give him a bunch of guaranteed money, we can cut him if he wilts, like you believe he will. If he keeps his end of the bargain on the field, then he receives his presumed higher base salary. Bottom line, it's peanuts in comparison to the rest of the contracts we have going on and this gentleman actually gives us some rotational impact in an area that has severely hurt us the past few years (and was a captain of the defense to boot). Again, these are all thoughts that I've passed on to S.J.

 

[Aven8]

500K, in which he got screwed out of IMO FOR 11 freakin plays, is awesome when you have the leadership he brought to our line. 500k is cheap in this league!

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Sets a very bad precedent IMO.

No it doesn't.

This isn't the first or last holdout.

This isn't the first or last renegotiation.

 

[gmoney112]

IMO, this actually works out better for the team. By giving him a bump in pay, they get another season out of him. Mincey really was a great leader on defense and had he played out this season, he would have likely gotten more on the open market than Dallas was willing to go. Someone like Oakland, who has a ton of cap space, would over pay just like they did for Parnell and D Harris.

The extra year was the key, IMO and made it worth their time to the Cowboys.

They basically are paying him more this year than they would have and will pay him less next year than they would have.

Agreed. Basically, you can't have too many pass rushers. If Hardy becomes too expensive after this year, we still have 3 guys on the roster for 2016 that can get to the QB. What if Lawrence/Gregory don't become what we imagine? I think they will, but you always have to consider risk. We'd be in a tough spot in 2016 if we lost both Mincey and Hardy to FA. We managed to completely hedge that risk for what is probably going to be about a 1 million dollar raise.

I don't see how anyone can be upset about that. It's clearly the best move for the team. People want to make it this "psychological war", when it's really quite simple. Any evidence that we cave to contract demands only need to look at Demarcus Ware and Demarco Murray.

This is an entirely different situation, and provided a great benefit for what is basically going to amount to peanuts.

 

[RS12]

No it doesn't.

This isn't the first or last holdout.

This isn't the first or last renegotiation.

Fact: Guy had a valid contract and zero leverage that was leaking to the tune of 30K per day. Somebody explain to me logically, how the market for 33Y/O D Lineman will be so white hot in 2016 that he needed to be extended now.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Fact: Guy had a valid contract and zero leverage that was leaking to the tune of 30K per day. Somebody explain to me logically, how the market for 33Y/O D Lineman will be so white hot in 2016 that he needed to be extended now.

Zero leverage? The guy was going to start for us on defense and led our defense in sacks last year. We have a rookie dlineman and a free agent suspended for a month.

He had leverage.

 

[RS12]

Zero leverage? The guy was going to start for us on defense and led our defense in sacks last year. We have a rookie dlineman and a free agent suspended for a month.

He had leverage.

Zero leverage, contract with Cowboys and nobody else for 2015, could not sign elsewhere. Losing 30K everyday not here. Wasnt going to get paid by any other NFL team this year. Wasnt going to make NFL money in private industry. ZERO LEVERAGE.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Mincey earned it and he's a good teammate, good attitude, good motor. Marinelli likes to heavily rotate these guys so they can play harder and Mincey should be a good rotational guy. Sounds like it's just a little bump in pay with the chance of keeping him around another year, so I'd say the team played this just right.

 

[unionjack8]

i do not agree with this at all.
average players should not be holding us to ransom

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Zero leverage, contract with Cowboys and nobody else for 2015, could not sign elsewhere. Losing 30K everyday not here. Wasnt going to get paid by any other NFL team this year. Wasnt going to make NFL money in private industry. ZERO LEVERAGE.

You just described every holdout ever.