Tom Brady suspension nullified

[jimmy40]

 

[jimmy40]

this case was about Goodell wanting to show he wasn't Kraft's lap dog.

 

[tyke1doe]

You should have proofread your post before clicking.

Comes off as you despise DeflateGate, but OK with what players did during BountyGate.

Just saying.

No, I'm not advocating BountyGate. A quarterback and/or player can get tackled on a routine, legal play and get injured.

Sometimes, life administers justice in a way that doesn't require you do dirty to get back at someone.

As the old folks say, "Just keep living."

 

[khiladi]

You're mistaken. There is precedent. The Jets' equipment manager illegally prepared k-balls 6 years ago. He was suspended, but absolutely no players were investigated or punished.

Jay Feely testified (in chambers) about this incident and the judge cited it in his ruling. You have 2 identical crimes. In one case, the league did nothing to the player involved. In the other case, they initiated a multi-million dollar investigation, 4 game suspension, etc, etc.

Your wrong.

There is no precedent in regards to Brady. The judge wasn't ruling on the ball boys.

 

[khiladi]

Why do people argue Goodell had an alterior motive? This thing blew up in the league's face the same day the Colts lost. It was already out in public and the NFL had to save face. Brady was getting blasted and Bellichek was acting like he was clueless. If anything, Goodell had to give the impression as an executioner of justice, not a guy that favors the Pats.

Remember, the game prior the Patriots got away with the ineligible receiver rule that directly affected the outcome of the game. And Goodell didn't even discuss the deflation issue until after the SB. But the NFL was happy to declare the NFL botched a call, declaring an illegal play a TD by the Patriots in the Colts game when the outcome was already decided based on the same ineligible WR rule. They were using it the whole playoffs, and then Pete Carrol made a statement that the NFL said that in the SB the NFL would specifically declare who is ineligible to the Seahawks after Carroll raised it to the league.

As far as deflation, Brady isn't the only guy that touches the football on offense and deflated balls lead to less turnovers, because you grip it better. Sharps analysis has already addressed the statistical 'anomaly' saying it's highly improbable one can leave these numbers up to chance. He even destroyed the responses to his articles in one published in May of this year.

But people miss the real issue. This whole investigation was predicated on the fact Bellichek didn't know. Nobody in fact challenged this and the Welld Report simply targeted Brady, a PLAYER.

If they went after Bellichek, the CBA rules wouldn't apply and Bellichek is once again labelled a cheater after Spygate and the league has to deal with a past precedent as it relates to Sean Payton. And what is Goodell and Kraft going to say this time around?

This was the least path of resistance for the NFL with regards to the Patriots. The problem is, this may lead to a can of worms in respect to other players, which would be great as a result of their nonsense.

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

I can't stand Brady, but I laughed my *** off when I heard this verdict. The NFL needs to stop treating the CBA like TP and start abiding by the rules.

 

[Rogah]

Your wrong.

There is no precedent in regards to Brady. The judge wasn't ruling on the ball boys.

The precedent is that when an equipment manager was caught tampering with k-balls, the player was not punished. Unfortunately for the Brady-haters, in this case, the kicker in question was one of Tom Brady's closest friends and was all too happy to testify (in chambers) about how when the same thing happened to him 6 years ago, there was no investigation, no punishment, no nothing.

 

[Rogah]

Remember, the game prior the Patriots got away with the ineligible receiver rule that directly affected the outcome of the game.

It was a perfectly legal formation. 7 men on the line of scrimmage, 2 exterior ones are eligible receivers, the guy on the interior not numbered in the 60's or 70's reported as ineligible.

Perfectly legal.

But people miss the real issue. This whole investigation was predicated on the fact Bellichek didn't know. Nobody in fact challenged this and the Welld Report simply targeted Brady, a PLAYER.

Not true. Wells investigated management and coaching, and concluded that Belichick had nothing to do with any of it.

"In particular, we do not believe there was any wrongdoing or knowledge of wrongdoing by Patriots ownership, Patriots Head Coach Bill Belichick or any other Patriots coach in the matters investigated." - Wells Report, Page 3

 

[DanteEXT]

It was a perfectly legal formation. 7 men on the line of scrimmage, 2 exterior ones are eligible receivers, the guy on the interior not numbered in the 60's or 70's reported as ineligible.

I think khiladi may have been referring to something that came out about ineligible/eligible situation where a guy came in as one and stayed in the next play as the other or something. They talked about this on NFL Radio a few months back saying whatever it was exactly (and I don't remember the details) was illegal by the rules.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

Don't make Rogah cry.

He has, because he was so happy about the verdict.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

It was a perfectly legal formation. 7 men on the line of scrimmage, 2 exterior ones are eligible receivers, the guy on the interior not numbered in the 60's or 70's reported as ineligible.

NFL came out afterwards and said one of those plays should have been flagged. Something about the lineman has to report as eligible even if it is back to back, I forget, but the play was not executed the way it should have been.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

If you did not like Judge Berman's decision, you will really dislike HOW he did it. He listed what was not covered in this case....if it's covered in the appeal, Berman will hear it first

1. whether Commissioner Roger Goodell was “evidently partial” in presiding over the appeal of Brady’s suspension
2. whether Goodell’s conclusions regarding Brady’s knowledge of and involvement in the alleged deflation scheme exceeded the findings of the Ted Wells report; a
3. whether Goodell undermined his competency to serve as arbitrator by publicly praising the work of Ted Wells.

If the NFL wishes to continue, it will go on for years and not help Goodell's job security.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ans-ruling-may-contain-a-warning-for-the-nfl/

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

So if you are a super star QB then you can cheat and it doesn't matter
Based on this ruling the nfl can't punish cheating
Only violating the drug policy

Right. Cheat, then laugh and lie about it, destroy your cell phone, keep lying, and have an idiot judge make his own decision on what the CBA means.

The good news in all of this is that Goodell and the league office personnel look like fools and the entire world (except for Pats homers) still thinks Brady is guilty and his career is tainted.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

No, I'm not advocating BountyGate. A quarterback and/or player can get tackled on a routine, legal play and get injured.

Like the legal hit Jack Tatum delivered to Darryl Stingley?

Advocating a player get hit to the point of injury, legal or not is falling completely off the high moral ground - said in the same breath as DeflateGate

 

[khiladi]

The precedent is that when an equipment manager was caught tampering with k-balls, the player was not punished. Unfortunately for the Brady-haters, in this case, the kicker in question was one of Tom Brady's closest friends and was all too happy to testify (in chambers) about how when the same thing happened to him 6 years ago, there was no investigation, no punishment, no nothing.

That's not precedent. Brady is not the equipment manager. What part did you not understand?

 

[khiladi]

It was a perfectly legal formation. 7 men on the line of scrimmage, 2 exterior ones are eligible receivers, the guy on the interior not numbered in the 60's or 70's reported as ineligible.

Perfectly legal.
Not true. Wells investigated management and coaching, and concluded that Belichick had nothing to do with any of it.

"In particular, we do not believe there was any wrongdoing or knowledge of wrongdoing by Patriots ownership, Patriots Head Coach Bill Belichick or any other Patriots coach in the matters investigated." - Wells Report, Page 3

1. They claimed to have investigated them, just like Spygate and this time gave a one-liner. So we are suppose to go by the assumption that Goodell and the NFL was unfair with Brady, but fair in their assessment of Belichek and Kraft? Please, implicating Bellichek would have been way more devastating to the league than giving Brady a 4 game suspension. Everybody knew the balls were deflated.

2. The issue is when they reported ineligible and it was quite clear the NFL referee did not PROPERLY convey who was ineligible to the Ravens defender the time the ball was snapped. That ring said, that revealed more of the incompetence of the NFL than anybody else, which they sought to rectify in the SB only because Pete Carroll had to specifically call for the NFL to do something about it.

The issue is Goodell had NO axe to grind with the Patriots. The night before the game against the Colts, he was caught in a photograph at Kraft's house partying it up.

 

[Rogah]

That's not precedent. Brady is not the equipment manager. What part did you not understand?

Uh, that's the point I am making. The equipment manager was suspended, the player was left totally alone.

 

[khiladi]

Bellichek does not fall under the CBA. Implicating him would have totally wreaked havoc on the whole Patriots organization, especially after the cover-up of Spygate and the Saints getting set back, including Payton losing a full year.

 

[Rogah]

1. They claimed to have investigated them, just like Spygate and this time gave a one-liner. So we are suppose to go by the assumption that Goodell and the NFL was unfair with Brady, but fair in their assessment of Belichek and Kraft?

This was from the Wells Report. Are we supposed to assume they were fair with Brady but unfair with Belichick and Kraft?

Please, implicating Bellichek would have been way more devastating to the league than giving Brady a 4 game suspension. Everybody knew the balls were deflated.

Everyone except the Laws of Physics.

2. The issue is when they reported ineligible and it was quite clear the NFL referee did not PROPERLY convey who was ineligible to the Ravens defender the time the ball was snapped.

So, by your own admission, that's on the official. Thank you.

 

[muck4doo]

Happy Force Friday, muck4doo

Happy day to you as well when you see Brady slammed to the turf over and over again. I hope we have Hardy for that game. Serious question, why do Patsies fans troll Cowboys forums?