Tom Brady suspension nullified

[khiladi]

Uh, that's the point I am making. The equipment manager was suspended, the player was left totally alone.

And Brady was the subject of this case, thus there is no precedent. Goodell made the decision AFTER the Wells Report including the fact that Brady destroyed his phone.

And I find ironic and laughable the judge would give one reason to overrule on the grounds that Brady was allegedly not able to question a witness, while the Patriots tried stifling anybody from talking to the ball-boys and Brady wasn't forthcoming in his own witnessing because he destroyed his cell phone.

 

[khiladi]

This was from the Wells Report. Are we supposed to assume they were fair with Brady but unfair with Belichick and Kraft?

Everyone except the Laws of Physics.
So, by your own admission, that's on the official. Thank you.

Your the one saying they were unfair with Brady... So which is it? I never said they were unfair to the coach and Owner, I said Brady was made a scapegoat in this scherade and has been since the beginning. It was the least oath of resistance the NFL had to go down. Somebody has to look guilty.

And as far as the law of physics, everybody knows that Brady cheated, that's why players are even tweeting it's about the process. The judge never touched that aspect. And you know it, which is why you keep bringing up Minnesota.

And yeah, it's in the official meaning the NFL botched the Ravens game. And yeah it's on the NFL because once again it shows obliviousness in relation to the Patriots. Everybody pointed it out and they still botched it against the Colts. The NFL has done more to give attention to the Dez call..

 

[khiladi]

Players will favor this ruling because it allows less subjectivity in the 'process' by Goodell. They'll take that over saying Brasy cheated, because it personally benefits them more.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Was out all day and was wondering how this was playing out here...14 pages huh? What did I miss? LOL

The most annoying poster on this board is very happy.

 

[Rogah]

Happy day to you as well when you see Brady slammed to the turf over and over again.

OK, OK, we get it. The Cowboys are going to slaughter the Patriots. That's not really what this thread is about though.

 

[Rogah]

And Brady was the subject of this case, thus there is no precedent.

The precedent is that you don't make the player the subject of that case. That's the whole point.

And I find ironic and laughable the judge would give one reason to overrule on the grounds that Brady was allegedly not able to question a witness, while the Patriots tried stifling anybody from talking to the ball-boys and Brady wasn't forthcoming in his own witnessing because he destroyed his cell phone.

Apples and oranges, my friend. Ignoring the fact that the "ball boys" were interviewed 5 times each by NFL personnel, there is a difference between the subject of an investigation not cooperating and the arbitrator in a case hearing being biased.

 

[Rogah]

The most annoying poster on this board is very happy.

You are??!? Me too!!!

(I kid, I kid )

 

[tyke1doe]

Like the legal hit Jack Tatum delivered to Darryl Stingley?

Advocating a player get hit to the point of injury, legal or not is falling completely off the high moral ground - said in the same breath as DeflateGate

That's your interpretation, not mine. But I'm not going to carry on a drawn-out argument with you. If that's what you got from my post and you refuse to interpret it any other way, then so be it.

 

[Sarge]

THE NEXT PERSONAL "jab" IS GOING TO GET YOU BENCHED. ONLY WARNING.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Serious question, why do Patsies fans troll Cowboys forums?

Because they're allowed to and have special status?

 

[LandryFan]

The precedent is that you don't make the player the subject of that case. That's the whole point.

Apples and oranges, my friend. Ignoring the fact that the "ball boys" were interviewed 5 times each by NFL personnel, there is a difference between the subject of an investigation not cooperating and the arbitrator in a case hearing being biased.

Serious question here...I can only recall the equipment guys being interviewed one time by Wells, with Wells being denied a second interview later. When did they get interviewed 5 times and by whom? I am not arguing your statement, just curious as to when, where, and by whom the interviews occurred. Those two, IMO, are central to the truth in this whole thing. They sure weren't interviewed by Goodell during the appeal, at least to my knowledge.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Players will favor this ruling because it allows less subjectivity in the 'process' by Goodell. They'll take that over saying Brasy cheated, because it personally benefits them more.

They will favor this ruling because they are part of a union and Brady is one of their union brethren.







YR

 

[40yrpatsfan]

Berman slam dunked the league yesterday on running a witch hunt instead of a legit legal process. Those of you who claim this was just about "process", ask yourselves this: why did the league refuse to turn over evidence to Kessler, why didn't they make Pash available for questioning? why did they leak the 2 psi lie, why didn't they correct that lie? why did they claim Brady destroyed evidence (phone) when it wasn't considered evidence by Wells? why did Wells bury the actual ball readings at the end of 240 page report?

It's because they had no case. And the reason they had no case is because no crime occurred. Who gives a rats *** about some ball-boys' texts that were sent 8 months before that game, or a bathroom stop, if no illegal deflation ever occurred? This was all based on the notion that a bunch of ex-jocks like Vincent, who were gunning for the Patriots, who knew nothing about science or natural deflation, who had never done a test like this before, who didn't know the gauges measured different from each other, in a hyper-rushed 20 minutes that they hadn't prepared for, were going to do this right? I mean, what could go wrong there? Can you spell fiasco?

The NFL was mistaken about what happened, wouldn't man up and admit the mistake, and should have closed this case as soon as they saw how shaky it was.

 

[DandyDon52]

In a way this show why Brady wins as much as he does, he puts in 100% effort to win, and doesnt give up.
Right or wrong, the guy wins most of the time.

However it could be that this was all part of a plan that worked perfectly.
goodell does not go after Bellichek, but after Brady, but does so in a inefficient and biased manner, knowing this would allow it
to be overturned later on.
Goodell looks like he tried to punish the patriots and failed, the heat is off him, and the patriots dont get punished at all, except the 1 mil fine.

If the balls have been deflated for years, then Bellichek would have known about it, so would Kraft.

The Patriots wont be able to deflate balls anymore , so if that is the reason they are winners every year, then they should be 8-8 from now on!
Cowboys should be able to beat them easily now that their balls are properly inflated .
Miami and Buffalo should be able to sweep NE now that those pesky balls are properly inflated.
The Patriot Dynasty will deflate now.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

You are??!? Me too!!!

(I kid, I kid )

It pleases me that you know it's you.

Gold jerry, gold.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

It's because they had no case. And the reason they had no case is because no crime occurred.

They absolutely had a case.

When you have footballs underinflated and you have texts between Jastremski and McNally discussing deflating the footballs for payment from Brady and McNally acting as a go-between for Brady.

The texts were pretty explicit to the point where Jastremski joked about calling himself the 'deflator' and that if Tom didn't pay up he would jack up the footballs to the size of rugby balls and watermelons.

Then when the deflation was acknowledged by the league, McNally acting as a go-between for Brady was asking if McNally was okay and didn't want him to panic. There was also proof that Brady called McNally into the QB room once the deflate scandal was acknowledged by the league.

The league also had video evidence showing Jastremski going into the bathroom by himself with the balls, against NFL protocol and showed that he had enough time to deflate the footballs.

The fact is that at the very best gaseous physics when it pertains to a football is an inexact science. For every scientist you can come up with that says that the footballs were deflated as part of the natural process over time...there is a scientist that will claim it is hogwash and the footballs had to be purposely deflated.

That's where the texts and video come into play. And the statistics show this as well as the Patriots' fumble rate dropped at an enormous rate and if you look at Brady's sacks per fumble rate in his career, cross reference other QB's with similar experience and fumble rates, his rate of sacks per fumble dropped dramatically in 2007. And that's where SpyGate comes into play as well because if the Patriots cheated that badly once, their credibility is weak in this case.






YR

 

[dallasdave]

Read the Judge's opinion in its entirety. Very well written and straightforward IMHO. Particularly pg. 19. Pages 24, 27, 29 and 30 are very informative as well Khiladi.

As Rick Flair would say "Whether you like it or not , learn to live with it ,cause it's the best thing going today !!! "

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Brett Favre refused to turn his phone over when he was being investigated for inappropriate texts. He got a $50,000 fine.

He did not destroy it. He also eventually allowed the NFL to see those texts. That's not the case here.

Would add that Favre's deal was about stupidity with other women. While I do not condone this sort of behavior from a married person, I am also not of the opinion that it's any of my business. It doesn't effect the game. It only reflects on Favre, for the most part. This situation is different.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

He did not destroy it. He also eventually allowed the NFL to see those texts. That's not the case here.

Wells asked for a list of the texts, not the phone, he was clear and on the record that he didn't want the phone. Brady's team eventually gave the NFL the requested list. Wells also had all the ball boys texts, so anything from Brady was on there. The "destroyed" phone was just a distraction by the NFL cause they had no case or proof of anything.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

He did not destroy it. He also eventually allowed the NFL to see those texts. That's not the case here.

Would add that Favre's deal was about stupidity with other women. While I do not condone this sort of behavior from a married person, I am also not of the opinion that it's any of my business. It doesn't effect the game. It only reflects on Favre, for the most part. This situation is different.

Rogah expects to show precedent on something that is unprecedented.

It's the silliest of arguments.





YR