Just say NO to QB at #4

reddyuta

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QB is such a crapshoot.. Romo UDFA, Brady drafted in the 6th.... You just never know

That said I'd rather draft the best DE or S in the entire draft at 4, but won't be upset if they go QB

QB is the farthest from a crapshoot,most Qbs are 1st Rders or 2nd Rders in the NFL,you just listed two of the few exceptions.
 

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Arguing three months before the draft - good times.
 

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QB is the farthest from a crapshoot,most Qbs are 1st Rders or 2nd Rders in the NFL,you just listed two of the few exceptions.

Gabbert, Ponder, Locker = 1st round busts
Wilson, Brady, Romo, Montana = later rounds

please tell me again how drafting an elite QB is not a crapshoot
 

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Gabbert, Ponder, Locker = 1st round busts
Wilson, Brady, Romo, Montana = later rounds

please tell me again how drafting an elite QB is not a crapshoot

you just listed 3 names.we had 3 no 1 pick WBs playing in the championship game!! how about those 3 guys?
 

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Gabbert, Ponder, Locker = 1st round busts
Wilson, Brady, Romo, Montana = later rounds

please tell me again how drafting an elite QB is not a crapshoot

You just went back 35 years and found 2 guys that made it all the way to the 3rd round, one guy that was missed because he was Div 1AA and another that split time for his college team.

This year's Final Four had 3 Number 1 overalls and the aforementioned Mr Brady.
 

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Gabbert, Ponder, Locker = 1st round busts
Wilson, Brady, Romo, Montana = later rounds

please tell me again how drafting an elite QB is not a crapshoot

One could name three random busts and 3 random success anywhere in the draft for any position.

Both of the QB in the Superbowl are 1st round first overall picks. Statistically speaking, that's highly unlikely if one were equally likely to find a QB anywhere in the draft.
 

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QB is the farthest from a crapshoot,most Qbs are 1st Rders or 2nd Rders in the NFL,you just listed two of the few exceptions.

Horrible logic/rationale.

Quality NFL QB's are at a premium, which is why so many starters are drafted in the 1st two rounds. Desperate teams reach, and then stick with their guy because they used a premium pick to acquire them.

Look at how many highly drafted QB's bust and then tell me it's not a crapshoot.
 

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Horrible logic/rationale.

Quality NFL QB's are at a premium, which is why so many starters are drafted in the 1st two rounds. Desperate teams reach, and then stick with their guy because they used a premium pick to acquire them.

Look at how many highly drafted QB's bust and then tell me it's not a crapshoot.

your defintion of crapshoot is the problem.is it more than 50% likely that a 1st Rd QB is successful.how about a top 5 QB? I think any team would take a better than 50% odd in the hopes of finding a franchise QB.the only sure thing in this draft is Tunsil ,there are question marks on everyone of them.
 

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Jimmy Johnson nearly did something like that. When he drafted Aikman, he knew he was a rookie who was not ready and the team wasn't very good. He considered keeping Danny White and letting him start another year, but White was done due to a wrist injury that could not properly heal up. I remember Johnson's exact quote when asked about starting a rookie quarterback. He said, "We'll play the cards we have." He would have preferred a veteran for that first year, one that Aikman could have learned behind. Tom Landry drafted Roger Staubach, who, as a Heisman winner, certainly would have been one of the top five picks in the draft were it not for his Navy commitment. What did Landry do with this first-round talent? He sat him behind Craig Morton for two years. In Tampa Bay, Steve Young sat behind Steve DeBerg at first.


Jimmy went beyond that in regards to covering his but at the QB position. He used a supplemental #1 to draft Steve Walsh, also. Aikman won that competition in a landslide but Jimmy knew the importance pf the position. He also knew the importance of the back up. It's why he snatched up Kosar as quickly as he could. Ditto for Rodney Peete. I think the Cowboys have an opportunity here to take a legitimate shot at our next QB. If they really value Wentz that much, then you take him. If it's a higher rated player at 4 that they value, so be it. But If Wetz is the highest rated player at their spot and they pass, then they're idiots.
 

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We went 1-12 with Romo out. Better play at QB would have probably won 5 of those games. That would have put us at 9-7 and a possible NFC East title.

A defensive player would have made NO difference in those 12 losses. Granted ... the D cost us quite a few of those games, but a solid QB would have won enough of them.

QB is key. JJ Watt wouldn't have made a slight bit of difference in changing our season outcome.
 

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One could name three random busts and 3 random success anywhere in the draft for any position.

Both of the QB in the Superbowl are 1st round first overall picks. Statistically speaking, that's highly unlikely if one were equally likely to find a QB anywhere in the draft.

It was well known that 3 of the final four QBs (Manning, Palmer, Newton) this year were first overall picks. The problem is, we're not going to get the 1st QB taken. We're getting the consolation prize... Leaf, Leftwich and Locker respectively. Is the next guy in an already weak QB class going to be worth the 4th pick?
 

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It was well known that 3 of the final four QBs (Manning, Palmer, Newton) this year were first overall picks. The problem is, we're not going to get the 1st QB taken. We're getting the consolation prize... Leaf, Leftwich and Locker respectively. Is the next guy in an already weak QB class going to be worth the 4th pick?

My argument was more related to the 1st round QB vs. all other rounds debate.

75% of the QBs in the divisional rounds were first round picks. I'm pretty sure the record will show more QB starters and backups come from the first round vs. all others, even after normalizing for the disproportionate number of QBs taken in the first round.

Whether or not there are two franchise qbs in this class and who they are is subject to debate. The statistical likelihood of having to take him/them in the first round if you want him is not.
 

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Very few turnovers on defense and too many late-down-and-long-distance plays given up - especially late in games. Take the most Parcellian 'catalytic' player on defense if Dallas chooses to stay at #4.
 

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Wentz is a fifth year senior,Goff is a 3 year starter and has shown massive improvement every year.you post again doesnt make sense.what has this gunshyness about drafting QBs got us in 20 years after Aikaman?

Makes perfect sense as I only said the draft "experts" still say Goff and Lych should have stayed in college. You don't have to agree, but it's all written record.
 
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