Spoke to my insider yesterday

[Clove]

If this is true about Wentz, sounds like the salesman is trying to garner interest in Wentz so Goff can slide to 4.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

If this is true about Wentz, sounds like the salesman is trying to garner interest in Wentz so Goff can slide to 4.

Somebody is inflating Wentz's value by telling a contractor to tell a guy to post that the Cowboys like wentz so other teams will get jealous and totes take wentz before we can?

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

As for the prospects I think wentz is like a Quincy carter and goff is like a stretched out Drew Brees.

 

[Nightman]

Somebody is inflating Wentz's value by telling a contractor to tell a guy to post that the Cowboys like wentz so other teams will get jealous and totes take wentz before we can?

That might be true if we didn't just have a week-long job interview in Mobile for the Senior Bowl. I think the Cowboys were linked to Wentz before he even got off the plane and no one even mentioned another team even looking at him.

It is pretty obvious DAL has a strong interest in Carson Wentz. I think I even saw JJones' plane in Ala.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

People need to understand how counterintelligence works with the Cowboys. This is lying time. Not talking about the OP but instead anyone related to any NFL club.

Between now and June, the Cowboys will be linked to Jack, Ramsey, Goff, Bosa, Wentz, etc. Only thing that seems to ever matter is the people they have visits with at the recruitment games like the Senior Bowl, Dallas day, and of course their scheduled visits.

 

[rpntex]

This is nonsense as exactly I am talking about above.

You have no idea Wentz's motivations nor how he would fare against Div I types.

For anyone who wants to make an actual observation on how he would do against better competition I present the following:

Wentz ended up at NDS due to measurables. He entered high school as a 5'8" and 125 pound freshman. By the time his senior season rolled around, he'd grown to 6'4", but still only weighed 170 pounds. 170-pound QBs don't land in D-1.

 

[iceberg]

then your probably taking it all too serious. I would careless what people say...if it makes you feel better to post something...do it.

not a matter of taking it too seriously. just a matter of not being worth it to say something when you know you're gonna get dogged and called out.

 

[kazzd58]

I hear you there.
Part of the issue in the past with spread QBs is that they have lacked every possible QB measurement.
They've often been 6'1" kids hwose DAd's coaches pread in high school and they ran the same scheme in college to the misery of college defensive coaches, lol.
A guy like Graham Harrell that college defenses had zero answer for.

But Goff is 6'4" and 215. That's basically Troy Aikman and the protoype.
He passed for 43 TDs with only 13 INTs. That's insane production.
DeShaun Watson had 13 INT in about half as many passes.

But we are hearing Dallas loves Wentz. No idea how they really feel about Goff. IT oculd very well be they don;t think he'll be around to worry about.
What Goff did in the bowl game was basically tell scouts take me at 1 or get beat for the next decade.
Paxton Lynch with the same opp looked very mortal and raw.
Wentz has never looked anythign but great but he's just never played in those types of games.
His biggest games are in Dalas ... but at a Soccer stadium.

Goff is not in Watsons league as a QB

 

[kazzd58]

I still think the Browns ultimately go Goff. They need a 2016 starter and Wentz has too many traits that need to be coached out of him. Wentz isnt ready for the show yet and Goff is IMO

but Wentz did win Championships for his team so he have an idea how to win big games and Goff has won what???? the nfl is about situational football cause most games are close do Goff has that it factor? because idk I haven't seen it can anyone enlighten me if I'm wrong?

 

[reddyuta]

Goff is not in Watsons league as a QB

Are you kidding.unless Watson improves his accuracy greatly next season I wouldn't even draft Watson in the first rd.

 

[DoctorChicken]

but Wentz did win Championships for his team so he have an idea how to win big games and Goff has won what???? the nfl is about situational football cause most games are close do Goff has that it factor? because idk I haven't seen it can anyone enlighten me if I'm wrong?

Forget what championships he's won. That's not how you judge a QB. Start off with looking at how many of Aaron Rodgers' records Goff broke at Cal.

 

[kazzd58]

Are you kidding.unless Watson improves his accuracy greatly next season I wouldn't even draft Watson in the first rd.

NO Im ABSOLUTELY DEAD SERIOUS he's already the #1 pick next year according to the experts which I had already seen what i needed to see his freshman year and with Watson have you watched his tape from freshman and sophmore seasons or just the national championship game against Alabama because they cldnt stop him? he didn't even have his best receiver this year who is a nfl 1st rd wr talent in Williams.. go back and watch his highlights of his freshman year throwing dimes and accurate passes the ball goes where he wants it to go for the most part and he's still developing , but that's ok folks didn't see it at 1st last year or the beginning of this year I been on this board saying id rather have Watson and plus id say again what ha breaking qb records as a freshman throwing this year he ran more because of Alabama did not have an answer for him Priod and that's with out the top wr on the team who got hurt the 1st game and also losing a key wr before the bowl games for getting in trouble.. so I've watched Goff ive been calling Watson the BEST QB in college football since his freshman year there is not a QB better than Watson right now in this draft

 

[reddyuta]

NO Im ABSOLUTELY DEAD SERIOUS he's already the #1 pick next year according to the experts which I had already seen what i needed to see his freshman year and with Watson have you watched his tape from freshman and sophmore seasons or just the national championship game against Alabama because they cldnt stop him? he didn't even have his best receiver this year who is a nfl 1st rd wr talent in Williams.. go back and watch his highlights of his freshman year throwing dimes and accurate passes the ball goes where he wants it to go for the most part and he's still developing , but that's ok folks didn't see it at 1st last year or the beginning of this year I been on this board saying id rather have Watson and plus id say again what ha breaking qb records as a freshman throwing this year he ran more because of Alabama did not have an answer for him Priod and that's with out the top wr on the team who got hurt the 1st game and also losing a key wr before the bowl games for getting in trouble.. so I've watched Goff ive been calling Watson the BEST QB in college football since his freshman year there is not a QB better than Watson right now in this draft

I will take this bet.Watson is not Cam Newton.his slight frame won't allow him to run in the NFL and his passing in crucial situations didn't impress me in the final.I am not saying he can't improve but there is no way he is a no 1 pick .

 

[kazzd58]

Forget what championships he's won. That's not how you judge a QB. Start off with looking at how many of Aaron Rodgers' records Goff broke at Cal.

I get that he broke Aarons records but my argument is you have an option of a qb with the better arm got good instincts can move/run thrown accurate in different ways and on top of that been apart of winning all 4 years and won 2 himself as a starter that got to count for something imo a winner is a winner imo allah Cam Newton he's won at every level and has a chance sunday.. all im saying is Goff is not a clear cut #1 qb prospect to me based off what i've seen compared to Wentz thats all and also I have and alternative qb besides Goff and he got other intangibles like knowing how to win when its time to win I guess I value that a lil more

this is how he was throwing dimes his freshman year

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Wentz is small time in a small-time conference lost amid the prairie brush. Put him in at Cal against the best players on the West Coast (like Goff) and Wentz would be totally lost. Lost as in Weeden's worst day. Worse. Ever see a 6'4" guy running for his life? That would be Wentz.
Anybody who'd pick Wentz over Goff is beyond help, is not living in the reality of college football, as in HE WENT TO N. DAKOTA FOR A REASON AND THAT REASON IS HE IS NOT JARED GOFF.

the point you are trying to make is that he is inferior because he played in a small time college, so using your own logic, doesn't it infer that he played with inferior talent and if surrounded by better talent, he will probably excel even more?

with that said, you don't anything until they come to the NFL. there haven't been that many sure bets in the NFL and a lot of those sure bets have flopped. so could goff, wents etc.

btw, room is from northern Illinois......there is a lot of small time college players in the NFL and lots of big time Heisman trophy winners flop........

 

[IrishAnto]

but Wentz did win Championships for his team so he have an idea how to win big games and Goff has won what???? the nfl is about situational football cause most games are close do Goff has that it factor? because idk I haven't seen it can anyone enlighten me if I'm wrong?

I think the Bisons would have won the Championship with/without Wentz.

If you want a QB that can win with little help (something the next Dallas QB is likely to have to live with) then Lynch is your man.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

the point you are trying to make is that he is inferior because he played in a small time college, so using your own logic, doesn't it infer that he played with inferior talent and if surrounded by better talent, he will probably excel even more?

with that said, you don't anything until they come to the NFL. there haven't been that many sure bets in the NFL and a lot of those sure bets have flopped. so could goff, wents etc.

btw, room is from northern Illinois......there is a lot of small time college players in the NFL and lots of big time Heisman trophy winners flop........

First of all, sharp lad, I am impressed with your correct use of the word infer. Beyond that I have never subscribed to the theory that a mediocre player will elevate his play playing with superior players. Just look at all our backups and look around the league.
Wentz might, after all, possess superior talents. But, then again, he might not. Imagine drafting a small-time college player (when Goff is available), only to flop in the big time? It would be easier if Goff flopped, and then at least Sir Jerry could say "He show the poppermost of the toppermost talent on the West Coast. It must the water and I can assure you we'll look into that."

Let me end this low-level discourse by saying that any first round pick of a QB would be a plus, in my book at least. If it is Wentz there will be no bigger supporter of he than I. Same with Goff. We need a QB to nurture and develop when Romo, in say, oh, 5 months, shows signs of the downhill walk to geezerdom. It's happened to many QBs and Romo, the walk-on from the high energy and always dangerous Eastern Illinois, is no exception.
Carry on blokes. Wonderful discussion during the offseason.
I am off to deliver packages of food for the striking coal miners in Manchester. Go look for me if I am not back in 4 hours.
Cheers!

 

[jterrell]

Goff is not in Watsons league as a QB

No offense but that is just silly talk on every level.
Goff was as good as a QB can be. He was 3rd in the country in passing yardage and TDs.
He's 4th ALL-TIME in passing TDs with very low INT numbers.

What wasn't in the same league were the defenses.
Clemson has at least 8 draftable kids on that defense.
Cal might have 1.

 

[jterrell]

I think the Bisons would have won the Championship with/without Wentz.

If you want a QB that can win with little help (something the next Dallas QB is likely to have to live with) then Lynch is your man.

Agreed on NDSU winning. But the 2nd point makes zero sense.
Lynch wasn't able to win when faced with anyone in the top 40.
He flat looked pretty bad versus Auburn.

Lynch has enormous potential and remind some of Cam but he didn't have Cam's winning pedigree.

There's arguments for any of the top 3 guys but none of them are proven to win alone.

 

[SultanOfSix]

As for the prospects I think wentz is like a Quincy carter and goff is like a stretched out Drew Brees.

Nah. Wentz looks like a much better prospect than Quincy Carter.