Spoke to my insider yesterday

[CowboysFaninHouston]

First of all, sharp lad, I am impressed with your correct use of the word infer. Beyond that I have never subscribed to the theory that a mediocre player will elevate his play playing with superior players. Just look at all our backups and look around the league.
Wentz might, after all, possess superior talents. But, then again, he might not. Imagine drafting a small-time college player (when Goff is available), only to flop in the big time? It would be easier if Goff flopped, and then at least Sir Jerry could say "He show the poppermost of the toppermost talent on the West Coast. It must the water and I can assure you we'll look into that."

Let me end this low-level discourse by saying that any first round pick of a QB would be a plus, in my book at least. If it is Wentz there will be no bigger supporter of he than I. Same with Goff. We need a QB to nurture and develop when Romo, in say, oh, 5 months, shows signs of the downhill walk to geezerdom. It's happened to many QBs and Romo, the walk-on from the high energy and always dangerous Eastern Illinois, is no exception.
Carry on blokes. Wonderful discussion during the offseason.
I am off to deliver packages of food for the striking coal miners in Manchester. Go look for me if I am not back in 4 hours.
Cheers!

your logic is so flawed I have no idea where to begin. you automatically assumed that wentz is medicore and can not be a good player, then in the same breath said it could happen to goff, but you would be ok with that failure because he went to a big school!! makes no sense. I don't imagine drafting a small time college player. I imagine drafting players that have been evaluated properly regardless of school.

in 2005 dallas drafted Demarcus Ware...from where? Troy state. when Shawne Merriman was available from a big school. how did that work out for you? in fact there were a bunch of other big school prospects on the board!!!

the flaw in your logic is that wentz is an inferior player, because he went to small school. that is your ASSUMPTION at best. he could be a top notch QB having gone to a small school who would have excelled if playing in a big time college program. you don't know that yet speak of it so matter of factly. the FLAW in your logic is that all small school prospects are automatically medicore...which is not the case. are there many top prospects from small school? no...so if you want to take that approach...you may have an argument. the talent evaluation goes beyond just what school they went to, something that's obviously hard for you to understand.

remember kirt warner? ben rothlisberger? Tony Romo? Ryan Fitzpatrick?

where now you might be sold on Goff. he has flaws and I am not fully sold on him neither.

but one thing we do agree on. we need to look for the future QB.

 

[IrishAnto]

Agreed on NDSU winning. But the 2nd point makes zero sense.
Lynch wasn't able to win when faced with anyone in the top 40.
He flat looked pretty bad versus Auburn.

Lynch has enormous potential and remind some of Cam but he didn't have Cam's winning pedigree.

There's arguments for any of the top 3 guys but none of them are proven to win alone.

I think you'll find they won against Ole Miss in 2015 who were ranked at 10 in the AP poll.

He had a bad game against Auburn, Romo had a bad game against Carolina.

It happens.

Look at the total body of work.

In addition what help did Lynch get from the rest of his team in that Auburn game?

Short answer, very little.

 

[kazzd58]

No offense but that is just silly talk on every level.
Goff was as good as a QB can be. He was 3rd in the country in passing yardage and TDs.
He's 4th ALL-TIME in passing TDs with very low INT numbers.

What wasn't in the same league were the defenses.
Clemson has at least 8 draftable kids on that defense.
Cal might have 1.

that's not Watsons fault his defense is better. Watson game itself (mean his abilities and how he plays the position) he can do what ever it takes to win throw accurately or run which separates him from Goff so yea thats a part of it... and as you can see Alabama had no answers you really think Goff would have put up numbers comparable to Watson against Alabama? I personally don't think so, yea I think Goff is not in the same league as Watson.. I bet next year barring injury there wont be a question to who is the top QB next year like its a question mark this year

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

your logic is so flawed I have no idea where to begin. you automatically assumed that wentz is medicore and can not be a good player, then in the same breath said it could happen to goff, but you would be ok with that failure because he went to a big school!! makes no sense. I don't imagine drafting a small time college player. I imagine drafting players that have been evaluated properly regardless of school.

in 2005 dallas drafted Demarcus Ware...from where? Troy state. when Shawne Merriman was available from a big school. how did that work out for you? in fact there were a bunch of other big school prospects on the board!!!

the flaw in your logic is that wentz is an inferior player, because he went to small school. that is your ASSUMPTION at best. he could be a top notch QB having gone to a small school who would have excelled if playing in a big time college program. you don't know that yet speak of it so matter of factly. the FLAW in your logic is that all small school prospects are automatically medicore...which is not the case. are there many top prospects from small school? no...so if you want to take that approach...you may have an argument. the talent evaluation goes beyond just what school they went to, something that's obviously hard for you to understand.

remember kirt warner? ben rothlisberger? Tony Romo? Ryan Fitzpatrick?

where now you might be sold on Goff. he has flaws and I am not fully sold on him neither.

but one thing we do agree on. we need to look for the future QB.

Conversely, there are many, many big names in the NFL from big schools. So don't you think your logic could be flawed? Huh, Mr. Wentz enthusiast?
But thank you, bloke, for making assumptions about my assumptions!

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Conversely, there are many, many big names in the NFL from big schools. So don't you think your logic could be flawed? Huh, Mr. Wentz enthusiast?
But thank you, bloke, for making assumptions about my assumptions!

HUH? what? do you even read the posts. I did say that there aren't that many prospects from small schools....and most prospects come from big schools....

you are trying to change the discussion.....

you said wentz is not a good prospect. and you said he would fail going to a big program. the question isn't if most NFL players come from small or big schools.... the point is your automatic assumption and matter of fact statement that wentz is not a good prospect and that he is wouldn't be good in a big program.....

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

HUH? what? do you even read the posts. I did say that there aren't that many prospects from small schools....and most prospects come from big schools....

you are trying to change the discussion.....

you said wentz is not a good prospect. and you said he would fail going to a big program. the question isn't if most NFL players come from small or big schools.... the point is your automatic assumption and matter of fact statement that wentz is not a good prospect and that he is wouldn't be good in a big program.....

I said Wentz is not a good prospect? Maybe I implied it but I so not recall saying he is not a good prospect, Mr. Pants on Fire. I said that Wentz is a small-time colleagian. And, thusly, not ready for prime time as a Goff or even a Coker when he comes out. But yes, my assumption is that a small-time small-school QB is not likely to do well because of the lack of big-time competition from defenses who also are in the small time.

I understand your love of Wentz but it is not a good bet. Goff played against big-time West Coast defenses. Wentz faced the mighty kangaroos from Wild Bill Hickcock State and the Running Roadrunners from Wasamat U.
You would be a horrible better in Vegas.

 

[Sarge]

WATCH THE PERSONAL ATTACKS/INSULTS PLEASE.

 

[CATCH17]

I said Wentz is not a good prospect? Maybe I implied it but I so not recall saying he is not a good prospect, Mr. Pants on Fire. I said that Wentz is a small-time colleagian. And, thusly, not ready for prime time as a Goff or even a Coker when he comes out. But yes, my assumption is that a small-time small-school QB is not likely to do well because of the lack of big-time competition from defenses who also are in the small time.

I understand your love of Wentz but it is not a good bet. Goff played against big-time West Coast defenses. Wentz faced the mighty kangaroos from Wild Bill Hickcock State and the Running Roadrunners from Wasamat U.
You would be a horrible better in Vegas.

Defense in the NFL is horrible, much less college, and much less the Pac 12. I wouldn't put big stock in him playing against guys in that conference.

I'd pay more attention to his physical ability and just pick and choose your sources as to whether or not you believe he can process an NFL offense.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Defense in the NFL is horrible, much less college, and much less the Pac 12. I wouldn't put big stock in him playing against guys in that conference.

I'd pay more attention to his physical ability and just pick and choose your sources as to whether or not you believe he can process an NFL offense.

Ability, mate, is also honed by playing the BEST. If you think playing against Montana, Weber State, Western Illinois and South Dakota is comparable to playing against the likes of USC, UCLA, Oregon State, Stanford and Arizona State, then that is your misfortune and none of my own. Get along, little dogie and quit the childish pretense of knowing that small-time Wentz will be better than Jared Goff of the big time.

Yes, it's always a gamble. The smart money goes toward good risks. A North Dakota State QB is NOT a good gamble, just a risk.

 

[CATCH17]

Ability, mate, is also honed by playing the BEST. If you think playing against Montana, Weber State, Western Illinois and South Dakota is comparable to playing against the likes of USC, UCLA, Oregon State, Stanford and Arizona State, then that is your misfortune and none of my own. Get along, little dogie and quit the childish pretense of knowing that small-time Wentz will be better than Jared Goff of the big time.

Yes, it's always a gamble. The smart money goes toward good risks. A North Dakota State QB is NOT a good gamble, just a risk.

That is fine if you believe that but I think it will be the players own ability as to whether or not they succeed in the NFL and not the guys they played in college against and imo Wentz has far and away the most ability out of anyone in this draft.

I think Goff and Wentz have similar floors. I don't think either will be a big bust but I think Wentz's ceiling is much higher than Goff's.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Wentz has far and away the most ability out of anyone in this draft . . .

but I think Wentz's ceiling is much higher that Goff's.

OK, I will ask: Why are you high on Wentz? What makes you believe he is the best of the best of QBs in the draft? When did you see him play or workout and what dates?

I have not seen Goff work out. I do recall seeing him against USC and I think Arizona St. He was great.

Both QBs stats are similar.

But I base my preference on STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE. I know, you have never heard that term, and likely, I invented it (heh).
But it is waaaaaaay more valid than your "imo."

Cheers, my good man. I trust you will still be my bodyguard at the Mongols/Bandidos potluck Thursday in Farmers Branch.

 

[CATCH17]

OK, I will ask: Why are you high on Wentz? What makes you believe he is the best of the best of QBs in the draft? When did you see him play or workout and what dates?

I have not seen Goff work out. I do recall seeing him against USC and I think Arizona St. He was great.

Both QBs stats are similar.

But I base my preference on STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE. I know, you have never heard that term, and likely, I invented it (heh).
But it is waaaaaaay more valid than your "imo."

Cheers, my good man. I trust you will still be my bodyguard at the Mongols/Bandidos potluck Thursday in Farmers Branch.

and I base my preference on ability.

www.draftbreakdown.com

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

and I base my preference on ability.

ww.draftbreakdown.com

We'll have to see if your prescience becomes reality or actually comes under the heading of "Gee, I could have sworn he'd be good."
As to draftbreakdown, that is a collective of other fans no more wiser (I am sorry to say) than us or any other of the 20 or so draft services around. I am not impressed.

But let us hope that Wentz or Goff or (shudder) Johnny impresses us next season. RGIII might be pressed into service but no one outside of his family will be impressed.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

Not going to get into the arguments here, but let's remember it's tough to predict how a QB will do in the NFL based on how he performed in college.

In the 1990's, the big rap on Peyton Manning at Tennessee was he couldn't beat Florida. I doubt the Colts and Broncos care about that today.

 

[CATCH17]

We'll have to see if your prescience becomes reality or actually comes under the heading of "Gee, I could have sworn he'd be good." As to draftbreakdown, that is a collective of other fans no more wiser (I am sorry to say) than us or any other of the 20 or so draft services around. I am not impressed. But let us hope that Wentz or Goff or (shudder) Johnny impresses us next season. RGIII might be pressed into service but no one outside of his family will be impressed.

I watch the games played on draft breakdown. I didn't even know they gave opinions.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I watch the games played on draft breakdown. I didn't even know they gave opinions.

Oh, Danny Boy, the pipes the pipes are calling thou...l didn'know either. I don't watch draft breakdance.

 

[big dog cowboy]

WATCH THE PERSONAL ATTACKS/INSULTS PLEASE.

Get along, little dogie and quit the childish pretense

Guess you didn't get the memo. Please stop.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Guess you didn't get the memo. Please stop.

No one sent me a thing! I must refrain from such rough language! I will re-read it to rectify and mollfy. Your patience is, as always, appreciated.

 

[TheDude]

Gimme Broke character on Wentz....not sure what topic I thought it would be, but it definitely wasnt this one

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Conversely, there are many, many big names in the NFL from big schools. So don't you think your logic could be flawed? Huh, Mr. Wentz enthusiast?
But thank you, bloke, for making assumptions about my assumptions!

WT-F!!!? didn't I just say that!!....that there are more players in the NFL from big schools....what reading level are you? I think my 10 year old has better comprehension than you.....

just out of curiosity are you drunk when you respond to these posts? or high? it has to be something along those lines, because you absolutely make no sense.