Bob Sturm's 2016 Draft Profile Series: Myles Jack, LB, UCLA

[LatinMind]

Jack has flaws too. WE all do. Oh wait I get it!! Jack is Jesus! Yes we can draft Jesus at 4.

Im not saying he doesnt. Im pointing out to u that even strum has trouble finding them glaring holes that those guys had. And he even states it.

 

[stilltheguru88]

Jacks only flaw is his play recognition in regards to biting too hard on playaction passes and being too aggressive which can be fixed with coaching/studying/playing next to #50.

 

[jterrell]

Jacks only flaw is his play recognition in regards to biting too hard on playaction passes and being too aggressive which can be fixed with coaching/studying/playing next to #50.

agree completely.
but anyone arguing other LBs that were drafted top 10 had flaws and Jack didn't is being dishonest or SERIOUSLY lacks awareness.

Jack has played 2 years and 3 games of college football.
He was a two way player and does not look all that well coached at LB.
He does look a monster athlete and the kind of guy you can get to the Pro Bowl.
But so did the other guys drafted top 10.

 

[fortdick]

Jack or a QB. That is the only choice. I know McClain is a real barn (house) burner when he wants to play, but each week is a question mark. Let Mc go, get Jack, and settle it for good. The question in my mind would be could we trade back and still get him? Or just pend the pick straight up.

 

[jterrell]

FWIW, what I'd ideally find at 4 is a QB I rank R1.
If not then Pass Rusher and CB become my target positions. But those guys need to rank top 10 on my board because they only get a 10 slot adjustment.

I have LT and WR so I'd take Tunsil and Treadwell but it would only if they were BPA by a good margin.

In all honesty the guy I like most is Noah Spence but he's crazy. So it's possible I'd try to move around to where his market value is not a team destroyer if he goes all Jay Ratliff.

If I couldn't make those things happen Jack may well be my choice as best available athlete.

At 4 you should be selfish. You SHOULD want the right guy at the right position.

 

[jterrell]

Ur saying its a very different game but ur trying to use the logic of that era, in thinking the defense needs this big guy in the middle. To do what? Flow and cover? Because thats what the MLB does in this defense.

I am saying I want a guy that doesn't spend his career injured.
Justin Durant, Ernie Sims, Sean Lee... all really good LBs but it's hard to survive at that size.
Picking someone at 4 you hand them a deal for 20m. That guy needs to survive the NFL.

Ro hits guards and knocks them off their feet. He is a monster. I'd love to have him back.

I just want to see the guy hit the combine and pass medicals and weight 240+.
If that is unreasonable so be it.

 

[starfrombirth]

McClain is not a top flight MLB. And Lee's home is at the will, period. McClain flashed some great stuff in 2014 but they were far few in between. McClain was very good to start 2014 but as 2014 went on we saw less and less because he just cant stay on the field. In 2015 he was suspended because he cant say no to drugs. Looked and played lazy. He was horrible against the run and couldnt tackle. McClain has the abil;ity to become a all pro, but like teams have found out all the back since Alabama and probably before that, he's just lazy and he wont play thru the slightest of injuries. I would rather have Hitchens play MLB if they didnt draft jack. He's not as good but atleast hes dependable and you know he's going to be there.

Now getting back to 4

Who would make a better pick for this team now?

QB? This team is not packing it in on Romo they have made it clear he is their QB for atleast 3 more yrs. Smartest thing for them would be get a good backup and maybe draft a player in 3-4 rounds. Dak prescott

RB? no

WR? no

OL unless Tunsil is there no. But he wont be there

DL? Bosa hell no. A'shawn i really like but i dont think Dallas would draft him but they should. He would be the player i would pick over Jack at 4, middle of the DL needs help.

DB? hell no to Ramsey and im not buying Ramsey being the top guy on their board, especially when they have Jones.

Who is the corner stone on DEF? Who is the leader? Usually the MLB. Whats he called? The QB oif the defense.

Over time other than Lawrence taylor the LBers you remember as icons are what? MLB, NItschke, Butkis, Lewis, Lambert, Singletary, Seau goes on and on. While OLB is an important piece MLB is the heart of the defense. The Greatest defense have always had that dominant MLB. So to say that posistion is not a premium is asinine ti even discuss but here we are discussing it.

I get what you are saying but I'm just not sold on Jack. Granted, it might just be the film i've seen, but what I see is a guy who is constantly chasing. Instead of making tackles in the hole or behind the LOS he is 5-6 yards downfield. Is he fast? Yep, but we need someone who can stop the run at the mike position and I don't see that from Jack.

 

[stilltheguru88]

I get what you are saying but I'm just not sold on Jack. Granted, it might just be the film i've seen, but what I see is a guy who is constantly chasing. Instead of making tackles in the hole or behind the LOS he is 5-6 yards downfield. Is he fast? Yep, but we need someone who can stop the run at the mike position and I don't see that from Jack.

You skimmed through the tape apparently

 

[btcutter]

Bowman- 6' 242 pick 91

I do NOT think Jack is as good a prospect as Kuechly but he is VERY, VERY good to be sure.

I wouldn't be too sure about that. We only have films and stats on Jacks for 2 years. That means the kid is still growing for certain. He is probably more athletic than Kuechly given that he won BOTH "offensive" and "defensive" player of the year.

The arrow is pointing way up for Jacks. I don't know if he's worth the 4th pick but he is a GAME CHANGER for sure.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Im not saying he doesnt. Im pointing out to u that even strum has trouble finding them glaring holes that those guys had. And he even states it.

Jack has a few flaws but not many so Sturm is right on with his analysis.

Further, size is not one of them even if they play him at MLB he is currently 245 and ready to go (the knee injury has healed and was not an ACL), the NFL has changed and covets linebackers that can do it all, plus Eberflus loves linebackers with flex specifically.

It is valid to say that his inexperience with only 25 college games under his belt could be part of the evaluation and perhaps poor coaching and lack of specific allocated placement could cause some pause.

Intelligence is not a factor, he is just young in linebacker years and Sean Lee and Eberflus can help in this area but his ability is off the charts, you can not teach his play making ability and natural instincts.

However, as Dane Brugler argues, these concerns, although valid, do not overcome Jack's skill set and play making/athletic ability to be an impact player on the next level.

Many have Jack as a top prospect for this reason, some as the best player in the entire draft class and others in the top 5 for worthy consideration.

I love Jack as a top five prospect but I covet that franchise QB primarily, however, if they go defense, Jack and Lee will make a hell of a team and will make difference!

 

[LatinMind]

Jack has a few flaws but not many so Sturm is right on with his analysis.

Further, size is not one of them even if they play him at MLB he is currently 245 and ready to go (the knee injury has healed and was not an ACL), the NFL has changed and covets linebackers that can do it all, plus Eberflus loves linebackers with flex specifically.

It is valid to say that his inexperience with only 25 college games under his belt could be part of the evaluation and perhaps poor coaching and lack of specific allocated placement could cause some pause.

Intelligence is not a factor, he is just young in linebacker years and Sean Lee and Eberflus can help in this area but his ability is off the charts, you can not teach his play making ability and natural instincts.

However, as Dane Brugler argues, these concerns, although valid, do not overcome Jack's skill set and play making/athletic ability to be an impact player on the next level.

Many have Jack as a top prospect for this reason, some as the best player in the entire draft class and others in the top 5 for worthy consideration.

I love Jack as a top five prospect but I covet that franchise QB primarily, however, if they go defense, Jack and Lee will make a hell of a team and will make difference!

Who is the franchise QB?

 

[jterrell]

I wouldn't be too sure about that. We only have films and stats on Jacks for 2 years. That means the kid is still growing for certain. He is probably more athletic than Kuechly given that he won BOTH "offensive" and "defensive" player of the year.

The arrow is pointing way up for Jacks. I don't know if he's worth the 4th pick but he is a GAME CHANGER for sure.

From an athletic standpoint you are correct. At least if Jack really is 240+. UCL had him listed at 225 in pre-season then bumped him to 245. Maybe that's off-season training or maybe it was just giving him some weight. Havign had personal experience as a guy who was 1.5 inches and 20 pounds less than my athletic program weight I can relate, lol.

From tape and on the field production, no sir, not even close.
Kuechly was and is instinctive and fast. A pure magnet to the ball.

The stats through 29 games are not really close.
Kuechly produced literally insane stats.

Jack flashes unreal athleticism on tape but his big plays are actually more rare than one would like.

I watched every snap of what draft breakdown has available.

I'd be very happy taking Jack, but he isn't Kuechly.

 

[jterrell]

I get what you are saying but I'm just not sold on Jack. Granted, it might just be the film i've seen, but what I see is a guy who is constantly chasing. Instead of making tackles in the hole or behind the LOS he is 5-6 yards downfield. Is he fast? Yep, but we need someone who can stop the run at the mike position and I don't see that from Jack.

Again, to me this very fair. On tape he is clearly the best athlete but he also makes fewer plays than you'd like. He grabs guys and over runs plays moreso than just driving through guys causing turnovers. He plays a WILL on tape. He covers ridiculously well.

He reminds me a lot of Bruce Carter on their collegiate tapes. Freak athletes, not as much impact inside between the tackles.

 

[jterrell]

As has been noted before Jack has 11 rushing TDs but only 1 Forced Fumble, 2 fumble recoveries, 4 INTS and 1 sack. 15 total tackles behind the line of scrimmage.
He does have an insane 19 passes defensed through 29 collegiate games.

So his production was not off the charts from a big play perspective. And on tape you see an insane athlete for sure but not a guy that is just making plays.

 

[btcutter]

As has been noted before Jack has 11 rushing TDs but only 1 Forced Fumble, 2 fumble recoveries, 4 INTS and 1 sack. 15 total tackles behind the line of scrimmage.
He does have an insane 19 passes defensed through 29 collegiate games.

So his production was not off the charts from a big play perspective. And on tape you see an insane athlete for sure but not a guy that is just making plays.

But also let's put that in perspective. He's played 4-5 different position in college from all LB spots, S (cover slot) and RB during his two years.

As you mentioned he's got 19 pass defended + 4 Ints. Those are splash plays for LB. Most CBs who played 3-4 years don't have those stats.

What's missing are the sacks which I don't know if he was asked to do (blitz).

 

[tm1119]

You know your level of desperation to prove your argument gets really high when you're trying to compare college production of players that didn't play the same position, on the same team, in the same system, or even in the same years. Clearly all things were equal and Jack should have matched Kuechly's production exactly .

 

[stilltheguru88]

I know one thing, I've never seen a linebacker guard wrs as good as Jack. Have him locked onto Vareen and sproles.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Who is the franchise QB?

I like Wentz and Goff but not going into this on this thread (I know your thoughts on the subject), I like Jack on defense!

 

[Beast_from_East]

I get that Jack is suppose to be a superior athlete and everything, but taking a 4-3 LB in the top 5 just seems like way too high.

Unless he is the second coming of Brian Urlacher, seems like it is way too high.

 

[ghst187]

I just don't believe in paying premium prices for a non-premium position..

This. And made worse when you have a top four pick and have needs at every skill position, QB, RB, WR, CB.....