Jerry Jones: Spike Was Bad Call***merged***

[waldoputty]

In any game both sides make mistakes.

The losers are magnified and all and sundry seize upon them to show just how dumb the coaches/players are.

So you want to take the time management from the HC.

Who would you suggest?

Also keep in mind he’s Jerry’s pet cat.

As for augmenting the team, our GM has had too many of this draft/free agent gambles blow up in his face over the years, making any HC’s job all the more difficult.

Hire someone with the right type of mindset that would report to Garrett, Mcclay, Stephen and Jerry - so Garrett does not get a free pass.
Ideally someone with training under the Belicheat system.
The same person would help scout our own team to stop stupid things like Marinelli forcing substitutions against Rodgers. The same person would analysis our plays and formations so they are not too predictable as they are now.

 

[Nova]

I would have handed the ball off to Zeke to see if he could bust one like he did in PIT.

With the way that defense was gassed, I bet he would have at least gotten 10 yards there.

For the record. The Spike was the right call if they were looking to score a TD, which they were.

 

[waldoputty]

so you dream - at least in regard to jones making changes just cause he happened to say something a like minded group went apecrap over.

like i said, tomorrow jones will say something this mindset doesn't like and jones will be back to being stupid.

last time jones made a change like what i am suggesting is playcalling.
while playcalling is not perfect now, i think most of us agreed that it is better than it was under Garrett.

garrett is holding on too tight trying to control/do too many things by himself.
that leads to catastrophic errors.
micromanaging is a common error in management and it can be addressed by delegating.
if garrett is too stubborn to delegate, then jerry/stephen can do it for him.

garrett doubled down and said it was not an error.
that is really bad, but I still dont think we should fire him because the team is a true contender now and you dont want to blow it all up.

i have never said jones is stupid - there are no stupid self-made billionaires.

 

[IrishAnto]

Hire someone with the right type of mindset that would report to Garrett, Mcclay, Stephen and Jerry - so Garrett does not get a free pass.
Ideally someone with training under the Belicheat system.
The same person would help scout our own team to stop stupid things like Marinelli forcing substitutions against Rodgers. The same person would analysis our plays and formations so they are not too predictable as they are now.

I can’t see how somebody gets to tell their boss what to do?

 

[waldoputty]

I can’t see how somebody gets to tell their boss what to do?

because Garrett is not his only boss. he would report to 4 people, and 2 of the 4 are Garrett's bosses.
i suggest it this way so that it would be less of a personal affront to Garrett.

kind of like Mcclay coordinates between the coaches and scouts.

 

[aikemirv]

I've seen a lot of arguments regarding this play. My question would be. Would it have made more sense to instead of spiking immediately going up to the LOS and maybe try to draw them offsides and take some more time off the clock and call a timeout or even run the play with 0 on the play clock? Just a question. Thoughts? I'd have loved to either force them into a timeout or get a free first down. Maybe even let dak survey and see what the defense was trying to do. I know it's hindsight. Just curious

No, it was not a mistake of time management in regards to giving Green Bay the ball back because that is not the thought process there. You did not WANT to take more time off the clock, you still needed yards to get in FG range or to get a TD. The mistake was wasting a down IMO which had the effect of 1) not getting another first down and 2) giving them the ball with more time left if you did not get the first down.

IMO the only time you waste a down is when you have NO other choice or you only have time remaining to run 2-3 plays. Once you have lined up, you might as well take the 5-10 seconds more to rin the play given the time they had left!

 

[CowboyStar88]

I've seen a lot of arguments regarding this play. My question would be. Would it have made more sense to instead of spiking immediately going up to the LOS and maybe try to draw them offsides and take some more time off the clock and call a timeout or even run the play with 0 on the play clock? Just a question. Thoughts? I'd have loved to either force them into a timeout or get a free first down. Maybe even let dak survey and see what the defense was trying to do. I know it's hindsight. Just curious

I think the right call after that play would've been a quick draw by Zeke they were not stopping him. Spike the ball after. it would've taken time off the clock and still kept the TO, and it is 2nd down instead of 3rd. But that is how I would've managed that situation.

 

[IrishAnto]

because Garrett is not his only boss. he would report to 4 people, and 2 of the 4 are Garrett's bosses.
i suggest it this way so that it would be less of a personal affront to Garrett.

kind of like Mcclay coordinates between the coaches and scouts.

Well if Garrett were to agree to that, he's a bigger puppet then most people round here think he is.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

I could think of about 6 different things they could have done and clocking the ball would be last on the list

 

[waldoputty]

Well if Garrett were to agree to that, he's a bigger puppet then most people round here think he is.

well if garrett will not accept blame, continues to hold on to micromanagement and refuses FO interference to fix the problem, then he would have to be fired.
otherwise we will self-destruct next year in some other fashion.
no point to get within 95% of the goal and never get to the goal.
that happens sometimes where a CEO is good at one phase of the company but fails at the next.

 

[Ranching]

I've seen a lot of arguments regarding this play. My question would be. Would it have made more sense to instead of spiking immediately going up to the LOS and maybe try to draw them offsides and take some more time off the clock and call a timeout or even run the play with 0 on the play clock? Just a question. Thoughts? I'd have loved to either force them into a timeout or get a free first down. Maybe even let dak survey and see what the defense was trying to do. I know it's hindsight. Just curious

I didn't completely disagree with the spike, of course, I do now because it bit us in the butt. I do however disagree with the third down play call. As soon as they took Zeke out of the backfield I flinched. If they wanted to pass they should have kept him in to play action or pass block at the very least.
Back to your question, I would have run one more play in our hurryup and then make the call to call a TO or spike. The seven yard pass to Cole where he got out of bounds would have been the perfect first down call. Burn about 10 more second, save a down and stop the clock. They just called it one down too late.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I could think of about 6 different things they could have done and clocking the ball would be last on the list

It STILL made your list, irregardless?

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

It STILL made your list, irregardless?

I like to keep my options open

 

[jwooten15]

I don't get all the hoopla with the spike.

We needed that time to give us an opportunity to get in the end zone.

We had been shredding their defense that whole quarter, so I think they were very confident in being able to get the TD.

Clock the ball, save the TO, and go win the game. Unfortunately, the pass on 3rd down was batted down. Otherwise, it was an easy reception and we would have used our final timeout from about the 20 yard line with THREE shots to the end zone to win it.

That's why it's annoying that all the talking heads criticize the spike. It was definitely the correct play, given the circumstances.

Hindsight.

 

[IrishAnto]

well if garrett will not accept blame, continues to hold on to micromanagement and refuses FO interference to fix the problem, then he would have to be fired.
otherwise we will self-destruct next year in some other fashion.
no point to get within 95% of the goal and never get to the goal.
that happens sometimes where a CEO is good at one phase of the company but fails at the next.

The FO interferes all the time and that’s part of the problem.

Do you see Kraft stick his oar in up in NE?

Which leads me back to my initial point, the fault mostly lies with Jerry which is why despite having 5 different head coaches in the last 20+ years, the results are largely the same.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I like to keep my options open

Fair enough.

For me, I dont have it as an option.

Worst case scenario you kick field goal with 1 sec left and you go into overtime.

 

[Baileyneverfailey]

IMO 100% you just run the ball there on 1st and 10 with the clock winding down. GB was getting tired on defense, and if Zeke runs for any yardage you're in FG range, and time is running out. You can run another play after that and take a shot, if it's incomplete you prob have time to run another one and still have your timeout if needed.

It's all hindsight. Ultimately the defense has no excuse for giving up 35 yards on 3rd and 20 after a big sack. You can't allow a sideline catch like that. The spike didn't lose them the game. The defense failing in a situation where they were set up to succeed lost them the game.

 

[waldoputty]

The FO interferes all the time and that’s part of the problem.

Do you see Kraft stick his oar in up in NE?

Which leads me back to my initial point, the fault mostly lies with Jerry which is why despite having 5 different head coaches in the last 20+ years, the results are largely the same.

You can blame Jerry all you want but it does not achieve anything.
We are fans and we are stuck with our team and owner - he is not selling.

Kraft has no need to interfere because Belicheat is a HOF coach who is adaptable to new problems.
The reason is he is conniving and tries to constantly game the system.
That same trait is what got him in trouble, but it works most of the time.
I think know some psychologist call that a trick mind.
That is usually not the type of person that gets into football, and more like a trader/hedge-fund mentality.

We need to get someone trained in Belicheat's system in our staff to bring that point of view into the equation.
Garrett and the coaching staff seem to be stubborn and inflexible to change and new approaches.
Perhaps that is how most football people are like, but that is where FO needs to step in and make changes.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

I would have handed the ball off to Zeke to see if he could bust one like he did in PIT.

With the way that defense was gassed, I bet he would have at least gotten 10 yards there.

For the record. The Spike was the right call if they were looking to score a TD, which they were.

for a more vet qb, I think taking the timeout was the better decision.

the problem is once you have no timeouts, the middle of the field becomes a very dangerous play and asking a rookie to score a touchdown without being able to make use of the entire field of play is unreasonable.

running a play while the clock is winding is the absolutely dumbest thing we could of done, but I see plenty of fans wanting just that

 

[IrishAnto]

You can blame Jerry all you want but it does not achieve anything.
We are fans and we are stuck with our team and owner - he is not selling.

Kraft has no need to interfere because Belicheat is a HOF coach who is adaptable to new problems.
The reason is he is conniving and tries to constantly game the system.
That same trait is what got him in trouble, but it works most of the time.
I think know some psychologist call that a trick mind.
That is usually not the type of person that gets into football, and more like a trader/hedge-fund mentality.

We need to get someone trained in Belicheat's system in our staff to bring that point of view into the equation.
Garrett and the coaching staff seem to be stubborn and inflexible to change and new approaches.
Perhaps that is how most football people are like, but that is where FO needs to step in and make changes.

And whinge all you like about Garrett, but he's Jerry's pet cat and he's not going anywhere anytime soon.

Still I'm sure Jerry would welcome your input if you were to send it to him.