Jerry Jones: Spike Was Bad Call***merged***

[Sportsbabe]

Just another hindsight naysayer. Better one would be "we needed a TD instead of FG?" or "Should have gave the ball to Zek on 3 and 2 on our first drive"....

I get sick just read this

 

[Diogenes]

we went into half time down by 8. claiming it was critical to go in down by 4 is asinine.

That's not the point. You basically wrote that given how the game ended none of what loublue22 mattered. None of that absolves JG's atrocious game/time management in the moment. Which is what his point was. And he's absolutely right. Those are the kinds of things that can often make a difference.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

That's not the point. You basically wrote that given how the game ended none of what loublue22 mattered. None of that absolves JG's atrocious game/time management in the moment. Which is what his point was. And he's absolutely right. Those are the kinds of things that can often make a difference.

yes, that is the point. we went into halftime with a game on our hands

the other point that you people refuse to see, the head coach does not call the plays, and you have no clue when the qb checks out of the called plays.

you are arguing from a position of complete ignorance. it's embarrassing how childish the fan-base acts in a loss.

 

[iceberg]

Glad at least Jerry can admit it was a mistake, unlike JG.

The Cowboys’ big boss man took to a radio interview to shed some light on what goes on in the brain of Jerry Jones after a crushing defeat. Its commonplace after a defeat to question the teams performance and decisions within the game, and Jones is contemplating exactly this. The controversial spike called with Green Bay’s defense seemingly defenseless, isn’t sitting well with Jones.

Jerry Jones second guessed the spike: We needed another play right there more so than we needed some extra time..................

http://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/201...ike-was-bad-call-waxes-poetic-on-jaylon-romo/

and suddenly, people who just yesterday said jones was the most stupid man in the world, not prop up his genius because he now agrees with what THEY feel should have been done.

all good - tomorrow jones will be a ******* again.

 

[Diogenes]

yes, that is the point. we went into halftime with a game on our hands

the other point that you people refuse to see, the head coach does not call the plays, and you have no clue when the qb checks out of the called plays.

you are arguing from a position of complete ignorance. it's embarrassing how childish the fan-base acts in a loss.

Linehan is not blameless either. And that's not the point. You keep moving the goal-posts to suit your argument and you still fail. I'll switch up and play your game one more time. Most reasonable people realize that a TD instead of a FG in that situation is huge. We had them right where we want them...down 8 points! Anyway I don't have patience for those who lack even the most basic of critical thinking skills and continue to move the goal posts in a discussion. We're done here.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

Linehan is not blameless either. And that's not the point. You keep moving the goal-posts to suit your argument and you still fail. I'll switch up and play your game one more time. Most reasonable people realize that a TD instead of a FG in that situation is huge. We had them right where we want them...down 8 points! Anyway I don't have patience for those who lack even the most basic of critical thinking skills and continue to move the goal posts in a discussion. We're done here.

No goal post was moved, and no animals were harmed in the complete shredding of your posts.

Later loser

 

[rational1]

Garrett deserved to be thrown under the bus.
I am not in Dallas but I would imagine many fans are not happy with him not admitting the mistake.
Mistakes can be corrected if one admits it and find a solution.
By saying it was the right play, he is almost forcing the owner's hand to fire him.
What is he telling Zeke and Dak - there is no accountability at the top?
I really dont want to see him fired because it would throw a monkey wrench into everything when the team is ready.
STUPID IDIOT

100% Right! Mistakes can be corrected but first we must admit it. He may be too proud and hard headed is my concern.

 

[rational1]

people forget the end of the first half was really even worse

1st and 10 at the 15 with about 1:20, a TD is desperately needed. Again, we're moving the ball well, should have the full playbook at our disposal, and can even get a first down fairly easily without scoring. At the same time, you have to factor in that if you score too quickly, giving Rodgers the ball back with around a minute and multiple timeouts, that's probably a better than 50/50 shot they get a FG, and they're getting the ball after halftime so that's extra bad. This is all stuff that random middle aged men sitting on their couch have bouncing around in their heads, it's not complicated.

So what do we do? Three straight (THREE STRAIGHT) passes into the end zone, all incomplete, running a grand total of like 20 seconds max off the clock, accomplishing neither of the primary goals (score a TD or at least bleed the clock/force GB to use some timeouts) with a FG in our back pocket. Of course Bailey makes it, and we kick it back, I'm sure most people assuming at that point that Rodgers is gonna get that back pretty easily, but no! Our defense steps up, culminating in a sack on 3rd down with a full 40 seconds remaining on the clock. Sounds great, right? Not really, because GB then bleeds the clock down to 1 second and punts it to Beasley who fair catches it (lol). This is because on 3rd down the previous drive (you remember that right right? we threw it into the end zone for the 3rd straight play) the offense was not in sync and the play clock was going to run out, so we burned the last timeout timeout. So, instead of getting it back around midfield with 30-35 seconds left after the Scandrick sack, we watched the half end, powerless to stop it, again, because of poor coaching and clock management.

When people say Garrett is not a good coach and he is costing us games, this is what they mean.

^This

Same mistake was made twice in the same game to end both halves. How can you not be planning to run the clock down rather than give the ball back especially to Rodgers? Unbelievable...

 

[IrishAnto]

Thank you Jerry.

So tired of the culture of excuse making and refusing to admit mistakes.

And who do think is ultimately responsible for the culture in the organization?

 

[waldoputty]

and suddenly, people who just yesterday said jones was the most stupid man in the world, not prop up his genius because he now agrees with what THEY feel should have been done.

all good - tomorrow jones will be a ******* again.

The importance of Jerry recognizing publicly it was a mistake is that he will likely make an organizational change to make sure it does not happen again. Time management is a weakness of the current staff and it needs to be addressed.
I am not for firing Garrett but taking time management off his hands like play calling was taken off his hands. He is known for making game time management mistakes.
Another flaw is playcalling using formations that are too one-dimensional - lets hope FO recognizes this and addresses it. I think the same person who does the time management can have a full time job making sure stupid things like analyzing these flaws and making sure stupid things like forcing defensive substitutions do not happen.
These accounted for EASILY fixable mistakes that caused 3 plays and 1 TO that could easily have caused us the game.

 

[waldoputty]

And who do think is ultimately responsible for the culture in the organization?

True, but he also is a good owner in many ways. No one is perfect and he is not selling.
What one can hope for is something good (fixes) come out of this so stupid things happen less frequently.

 

[IrishAnto]

True, but he also is a good owner in many ways. No one is perfect and he is not selling.
What one can hope for is something good (fixes) come out of this so stupid things happen less frequently.

He's a very good owner but a substandard GM.

And again if no one is perfect does that not apply to Garrett et al?

 

[waldoputty]

That's not the point. You basically wrote that given how the game ended none of what loublue22 mattered. None of that absolves JG's atrocious game/time management in the moment. Which is what his point was. And he's absolutely right. Those are the kinds of things that can often make a difference.

Despite all our mistakes, we were in a great position with ~1 minute in the Packers side of the field. The game management error likely cost the game. We had plenty of time and a TO to drive down the field. Yet we used the spiking way too early when we still had the TO. Wasting 1 out of 3 downs was huge because we were clearly going to kick the FG if we get to 4th down. The TO should have been used to stopping the clock for pass play that does not stop the clock. We could always spike the ball if needed for the FG.

 

[waldoputty]

He's a very good owner but a substandard GM.

And again if no one is perfect does that not apply to Garrett et al.

Right, I am not advocating firing Garrett - that would be counterproductive to blow up the system with the team being a strong contender.
You are not firing the owner and he is not selling.
Garrett's flaws can be fixed/addressed by augmenting his team - taking responsibilities off his hands in things he is not good at - like time management.
This is not the first time, but this was a HUGE mistake.

Furthermore, Garrett compounds his error by doubling down and saying it was the right call.
Jerry should have come out and say he is wrong - there needs to be accountability.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

Since Jerry is an idiot and non football guy wouldn't that mean the right football move would have been to spike the ball?

Jerry was a national champion winning offensive lineman at Arkansas...so tell me again how he's a non-football guy?

 

[waldoputty]

Jerry was a national champion winning offensive lineman at Arkansas...so tell me again how he's a non-football guy?

Jerry is no idiot, he is a self-made billionaires.
There are no idiot billionaires.
Now his passion for the Cowboys may make him make irrational decisions some times.
His loyalty/passion towards people also made him make mistakes, but that same trait nets us benefits also like being the deal closer to sign La'el Collins.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Despite all our mistakes, we were in a great position with ~1 minute in the Packers side of the field. The game management error likely cost the game. We had plenty of time and a TO to drive down the field. Yet we used the spiking way too early when we still had the TO. Wasting 1 out of 3 downs was huge because we were clearly going to kick the FG if we get to 4th down. The TO should have been used to stopping the clock for pass play that does not stop the clock. We could always spike the ball if needed for the FG.

EXACTLY!

Mistakes on that drive

1. Spiking ball
2. Not running Zeke (I swear I had a vision of him getting to end zone - winning the game)
2a. Play calling
3. Kicking Field Goal

 

[IrishAnto]

Right, I am not advocating firing Garrett - that would be counterproductive to blow up the system with the team being a strong contender.
You are not firing the owner and he is not selling.
Garrett's flaws can be fixed/addressed by augmenting his team - taking responsibilities off his hands in things he is not good at - like time management.
This is not the first time, but this was a HUGE mistake.

Furthermore, Garrett compounds his error by doubling down and saying it was the right call.
Jerry should have come out and say he is wrong - there needs to be accountability.

In any game both sides make mistakes.

The losers are magnified and all and sundry seize upon them to show just how dumb the coaches/players are.

So you want to take the time management from the HC.

Who would you suggest?

Also keep in mind he’s Jerry’s pet cat.

As for augmenting the team, our GM has had too many of this draft/free agent gambles blow up in his face over the years, making any HC’s job all the more difficult.

 

[iceberg]

The importance of Jerry recognizing publicly it was a mistake is that he will likely make an organizational change to make sure it does not happen again. Time management is a weakness of the current staff and it needs to be addressed.
I am not for firing Garrett but taking time management off his hands like play calling was taken off his hands. He is known for making game time management mistakes.
Another flaw is playcalling using formations that are too one-dimensional - lets hope FO recognizes this and addresses it. I think the same person who does the time management can have a full time job making sure stupid things like analyzing these flaws and making sure stupid things like forcing defensive substitutions do not happen.
These accounted for EASILY fixable mistakes that caused 3 plays and 1 TO that could easily have caused us the game.

so you dream - at least in regard to jones making changes just cause he happened to say something a like minded group went apecrap over.

like i said, tomorrow jones will say something this mindset doesn't like and jones will be back to being stupid.

 

[phildadon86]

I've seen a lot of arguments regarding this play. My question would be. Would it have made more sense to instead of spiking immediately going up to the LOS and maybe try to draw them offsides and take some more time off the clock and call a timeout or even run the play with 0 on the play clock? Just a question. Thoughts? I'd have loved to either force them into a timeout or get a free first down. Maybe even let dak survey and see what the defense was trying to do. I know it's hindsight. Just curious