Things that are bothering me

[Nightman]

I forgot to mention using Pick 34 last year on Drop Foot.

Infuriating. Now there is talk of using pick 28 to draft Reddick. You can't just throw away pick 34.

or that DE from UCLA that is getting shoulder surgery today

 

[Nightman]

I don't buy any of it. Romo's too valuable, even to teams concerned about the injury risk. He's worth a flyer. If they're trying to paint DEN as the front-runner, that's fine. There have to be two buyers for him for a trade to work, and the DEN stuff just smokes out any other interested parties.

I wouldn't put it past Jerry to release Tony for nothing to get him in the right situation, but if he does, he's not going to do it until right before training camp. That gives Tony plenty of time to come up to speed with a new system, but forces teams to get through FA and the draft without their QB position fixed if they're unwilling to cough up a pick.



The #4 and the #34 last year were both dumb tactical moves. #4 definitely turned out great, but passing on defense there to take a RB knowing we were losing 3/4ths of our secondary the next offseason was a gamble. Taking a player who would not contribute at the top of the 2nd as bad off as we were in terms of defensive talent was just dumb. I don't care how it turns out, it was an unnecessary risk.

Wrong..... it only takes one

But in this case there are 1/2 a dozen teams

 

[Killerinstinct]

or that DE from UCLA that is getting shoulder surgery today

Yeah Takk seems like the type of move they would make. Then we can hear all year about how he is going to be ready by the playoffs. HAHA

What I was saying is if they draft Reddick (A LB) one year after drafting Jaylon at 34 it is a travesty. Using two premium picks to fix the same position.

 

[Proximo]

It's the 1st week in March.

How are people getting bothered or upset by things that haven't even happened?

As far as I know we haven't released Romo, Jaylon hasn't retired, and we haven't wasted our 2017 1st round pick.

I'll wait and see.

 

[Ranching]

I usually post optimistic posts even go so far as to find the optimistic view of our Defensive End situation but right now there are several things that are just making me mad.

1. Romo to be released and the argument that you have to release him so that he has his choice of where to go etc. etc.

I hate this argument and I think it is idiotic to let him go for nothing but if I had to guess what the end result will be that is what I guess. Jerry just let's him go for nothing. Even a blind man can see how hard it is to find a starting caliber QB that gives you a chance to win in this league.. We went through it for 10 years. Other teams even longer. I know about the injuries and the age but other teams will be able to avoid the deam money we will have to take for Romo and he has expressed a willingness to work with whatever team he go's to and "massage" his contract. YOU DON"T GIVE HIM AWAY FOR NOTHING AND I DON"T CARE ABOUT HIS FEELINGS! This is a business.

2. Salary Cap and how we are the masters at beating it and signing F.A's is bad business etc. etc.

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong! We as fans come off sounding like kidnap victims suffering from stockholm syndrome when we repeat this idiotic trope. In this league there are two ways to acquire talent. One is through the draft and the other is through free agency. You must use both in order to maximise your talent. We have a player that is taking up 15% of our cap and hasn't played in 2 years. We have a DT being paid like he is a top 5 DT when he actually is a mid level player. A WR being paid like he is among the best when his statistics say otherwise. A TE being paid well beyond his level of contribution. When it comes to negotiating contracts there are two representatives of the player sitting on opposite sides of the negotiating table. The players agent and the owner. The owner needs to negotiate harder and not just make every decent player with a new contract among the highest paid players in the league. Things are improving and the team seems to have discovered that O-linemen make the best players to use to restructure contracts and beat the cap but as of right now we have too much dead money and too many players being overpaid.

3. Low cost F.A.'s are the way to go and then draft improvements.

I would rather see us sign 1 exceptional player in FA than bring in 4 or 5 middling players. There is little difference between a Thornton and a guy you can sign to a league minimum contract following final cuts but we are paying him like he is a "B" player and we do this over and over and wonder why we have holes that are never filled. Add 1 exceptional player in FA per year and 2 in the draft and before you know it you have a team of exceptional players instead of a few superstars and a majority of middling players.

4. It has come out that we are looking at DE's and WR with our premium picks. It is "Groundhog day" all over again. I take this to mean in the first 2 rounds these are the positions most likely to be addressed. This likely means a Charles Harris and a De De Westbrook. I would be looking at SS and CB in the first two rounds. Give me Sidney Jones and Marcus Williams or Jabrill Peppers and Fabian Moreau. I have forever wanted a SS and this is the year to do it but it has to be done in the first two rounds. I also think the WR position is so deep that we can have a really good one in the 3rd round. WR2 is the 5th option on our team anyway. At DE we need a situational pass rusher. He doesn't have to be an every down DE. Charles Harris would just fit right in with the rest of the rotation. Another DLaw. We can add a rotational piece at DE in the 4th or later.

5. It sounds like we are looking to re-sign Carr. I agree losing two CB's is too much to endure and I know Claiborne misses time due to injury but I am sick and tired of watching Carr play defense as if the goal is to let the receiver catch the ball but make sure he doesn't run by you. He is only getting older and he is already a C+ corner. GIve me Claiborne for half the year playing at a higher level and we can't assume he will be injured. Past experience says it is a good bet but the same could have been said about Lee.


These are a few of the things bothering me.

I was having a great day and then I read this. Time for a drink.

 

[Killerinstinct]

I was having a great day and then I read this. Time for a drink.

You mean you don't enjoy reading about how NE wants two first rd picks for a QB that has never done a thing and we are expected to cut Romo for nothing and all we get is the largest cap hit in the league?

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I would like to see us trade Romo. I don't know all of the cap ramifications if we keep him past June 1st and then trade him or if we keep him. Personally, I would rather go the Sam Bradford route if feasible...fully intend to keep him unless there's a solid trade request that comes along. Teams get desperate sooner or later and start to make unwise decisions like the Vikings did for Bradford. If not, he can still serve as a very expensive insurance if Dak gets hurt. If that's feasible, I'm all for that plan.

However, since the salary cap came into play in the NFL, time and time again it has shown that free agency is generally a bad idea. High priced FA's rarely work out because they almost never quite fulfill what their contract entails. Sign a high priced FA for 6 years and you may get the equivalent of 4 years of what you paid for...if you're lucky.

That's the biggest problem with high priced FA's, it's not so much the money as it is the money and the length of the contract. That's why the Pats only sign high priced FA's to 1 or 2 year deals...if it doesn't work out they can get out from under that deal quickly. It's why the positive of signing Greg Hardy was that we could get rid of him immediately if he didn't work out. And Hardy was a top-tier player when he came to us. But, it wasn't working out and cut bait with him quickly.

What gets overlooked with the cap and free agency is that you have to re-sign your own talent that you know can play well in your scheme and with your coaches. And it would likely behoove the team to sign Dak to a bigger deal in the next year or two (provided he continues to improve) so they can lock him up and get a favorable deal.

Spending cap money for the sake of it is stupid. There's no correlation between cap money left over and winning in the NFL. It's a mathematical fact. You can only have 53 players on the roster and you have a cap floor and a hard cap ceiling.

And every step of the way where he have tried a 'win now' mentality...it's failed miserably. A 'win now' mentality meant a flop in Greg Hardy. A win now mentality caused us to sign a ridiculous deal for Brandon Carr and he's not nearly the money we've given him. A win now mentality caused us to trade away a pick to get Mo Claiborne and he's performed nowhere near that.

Back before the 2006 season, Ryan Clark became a free agent after a successful season with the Skins. The Steelers went more after Clark than they do with most FA's, especially since Clark was considered a run-of-the-mill player. Meanwhile the Skins were infatuated with high priced FA Adam Archuleta because they like shiny things.

The Steelers ended up getting Clark and they wanted him because while he was a bit of a run-of-the mill player, he fit perfectly into their system and gave them what they needed...a safety that can direct Troy Polamalu around and put him in the best position to make plays. Clark ended up playing 8 seasons with the Steelers and was a nicely productive player that helped Polamalu become a future HoF'er.

Archuleta became the highest paid safety in the league, started 6 games and was cut after 1 season. We have tried the 'shiny things' method in free agency and it has always come back to hurt us. That's the thing about Free Agents....there's usually a good reason as to why their former team doesn't want them no more. If they are a high priced FA, there's inherently more risk that his former team didn't think was worth it. With a lower priced FA, those are guys that are more likely to have slipped thru the cracks or they had to be let go because his former team signed some expensive FA to do the job.

Outside of QB, a high priced FA is almost never worth it in the end.






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[DFWJC]

Rant Zone?

 

[big dog cowboy]

You mean you don't enjoy reading about how NE wants two first rd picks for a QB that has never done a thing

What they want and what they get are two different things.

 

[DFWJC]

While it would be nice to get a draft pick for trading Romo, don't we have a significantly larger cap savings if we make him a post June 1st cut? And maybe JJ is seeing the cap space as more important than a 3rd or 4th round pick (I don't think we would see a 1st or 2nd). In addition, by making him a post June 1st cut now, he would have more cap space to make a slightly bigger splash in free agency (which would be occurring over the next several days, and we cannot afford to "wait it out" with trade offers). Maybe this is why Shefter is saying Romo is more likely to get cut. Otherwise right now we have ~3mill in cap space.

Careful, you are thinking a little deeper than some folks.

I'm sure there's a breakeven threshold. If the seas part and we somehow get a 3rd rounder or better offer (and that team and Romo can agree to a deal) then it most likely is better than a June 1 release designation.
Otherwise, it becomes more debatable. The higher value to the team may actually be in the release.

That 8.9 mil extra in 2017 cap room may end up helping a lot--even if it can't be used until after June 1.

 

[Ranching]

You mean you don't enjoy reading about how NE wants two first rd picks for a QB that has never done a thing and we are expected to cut Romo for nothing and all we get is the largest cap hit in the league?

Another round!! LOL Or how Adrian Petersen and Brandon Marshall will go to the Pats for peanuts. Round three.

 

[Idgit]

Wrong..... it only takes one

But in this case there are 1/2 a dozen teams

If there's only one, then the only incentive to trade for him is to inherit his contract. That might have some value, but it's not worth a decent pick.

The real leverage for Dallas comes in when there's a second contending team interested. If I'm KC, I'd express a lot of interest right now even if it weren't legitimate, if for no other reason than to bait DEN or HOU into coughing up a pick. Really, though, KC ought to be all over a trade for Tony. And, as you say, there are a lot of other teams in that position, too.

 

[Nightman]

If there's only one, then the only incentive to trade for him is to inherit his contract. That might have some value, but it's not worth a decent pick.

The real leverage for Dallas comes in when there's a second contending team interested. If I'm KC, I'd express a lot of interest right now even if it weren't legitimate, if for no other reason than to bait DEN or HOU into coughing up a pick. Really, though, KC ought to be all over a trade for Tony. And, as you say, there are a lot of other teams in that position, too.

No, it guarantees you win the bidding war
If Romo alone makes you a Super Bowl team and you won't trade a 1st for him you are a moron

A first is just one player(just like Romo) that you have for 5 years(3 for Romo) except you know Romo is a star

 

[Idgit]

No, it guarantees you win the bidding war
If Romo alone makes you a Super Bowl team and you won't trade a 1st for him you are a moron

A first is just one player(just like Romo) that you have for 5 years(3 for Romo) except you know Romo is a star

If Romo makes you a Superbowl, you're probably going to win the bidding war for him anyway. And then there are teams who might need both Romo and their high picks to make a legitimate run.

I agree that Romo's good enough to make several teams a contender right out of the gate. If I think I have pole position on him, though, I offer a mid-rounder or sit tight to try to get him in FA. It's where a second team comes in offering picks that I get serious with the compensation. I think a 2nd rounder is the right level for Tony right now. We'll see how it plays out.

 

[Nightman]

If Romo makes you a Superbowl, you're probably going to win the bidding war for him anyway. And then there are teams who might need both Romo and their high picks to make a legitimate run.

I agree that Romo's good enough to make several teams a contender right out of the gate. If I think I have pole position on him, though, I offer a mid-rounder or sit tight to try to get him in FA. It's where a second team comes in offering picks that I get serious with the compensation. I think a 2nd rounder is the right level for Tony right now. We'll see how it plays out.

I agree about not rushing in

We can deal with this for a few more months and don't get any real relief until June 2nd anyways

 

[sean10mm]

I'm not sure I get where all the "Jerry should play hardball with Romo!!!" talk even comes from.

1. The Cowboys want Romo off their salary cap books.
2. Romo wants to get off the Cowboys roster so he can start somewhere.
3. These goals overlap.

I mean, I can make up a hypothetical where football Siberia sends the Cowboys 3 first rounders and the Texans offer a bag of peanuts, sure - but that's just something I made up literally moments ago. There is no evidence that it's real. What is much more likely is the Cowboys get similar offers they can play off each other and there is ultimately little difference between them. Or all the offers are bad, and it's unclear if it's substantively more valuable than just releasing him when it suits them best. In that scenario it costs the Cowboys basically nothing, or close to it, to give Romo exactly what he wants.

 

[Nightman]

I'm not sure I get where all the "Jerry should play hardball with Romo!!!" talk even comes from.

1. The Cowboys want Romo off their salary cap books.
2. Romo wants to get off the Cowboys roster so he can start somewhere.
3. These goals overlap.

I mean, I can make up a hypothetical where football Siberia sends the Cowboys 3 first rounders and the Texans offer a bag of peanuts, sure - but that's just something I made up literally moments ago. There is no evidence that it's real. What is much more likely is the Cowboys get similar offers they can play off each other and there is ultimately little difference between them. Or all the offers are bad, and it's unclear if it's substantively more valuable than just releasing him when it suits them best. In that scenario it costs the Cowboys basically nothing, or close to it, to give Romo exactly what he wants.

All of Romo's money comes off equally with a trade or release...... there is no cap reason to release him

What Romo wants hurts DAL.....why help him?? so he can beat us twice in DEN next year???

 

[Sydla]

Here's something that bothers me every single day.

That god awful quick screen against GB that was picked off by Hyde (who we should look at as a possible signing by the way).

It bugs me that Prescott threw that pass. It bugs me that was the play call in that situation. It bugs the hell out of me after the game the Packers defense said they basically knew the play was coming because of our alignment and the fact we ran the same play against them weeks before.

Run the ball in that spot, I think we get a score there and eventually win the game.

 

[T-RO]

This thread is silly...as is so much talk about Romo around here these days.

If Jerry could get, for example, a third round pick in exchange for Romo right now...does anyone think he wouldn't jump at that?

The reality is that there aren't serious trade partners right now. Maybe if the Cowboys exercise patience two or three interested parties will emerge and push the value. Maybe if...and then.

 

[Sydla]

This thread is silly...as is so much talk about Romo around here these days.

If Jerry could get, for example, a third round pick in exchange for Romo right now...does anyone think he wouldn't jump at that?

The reality is that there aren't serious trade partners right now. Maybe if the Cowboys exercise patience two or three interested parties will emerge and push the value.

Depends on if that team offering the pick is one that Romo would want to play. I think you underestimate the loyalty factor here with Jones. I don't believe it's beyond impossible that Jones could turn down an offer for Romo via trade in order to do right by Romo and allow him to pick the team he goes to.