TO defends Dez on Undisputed

[Idgit]

I like the idea of addressing all problems. On defense, I think it's mostly a talent problem (but not just). Offense is another story. If all the resources are going to be spent on offense, then it has to perform.

It's always a question of priority. Limited picks, limited cap space. The offense *does* perform, and generally has performed at a high level here. The offense at full strength is a championship-caliber unit.

The defense is not. The defense is not close.

 

[TheDude]

TO played on 4 different teams over his last 7 years because he was a team cancer. It seemed pretty clear that Parcells didnt want him either. Romo wanted him gone also.

And the best seasons he had out of those last 7 years was his time with the Cowboys. He wasn’t hindered by our offense here. He thrived in it.

He openly complained in the locker room that Romo was throwing too many passes to his hall of fame tight end.

The guy was an idiot.

Your points don't address anything he said. No one remembers, or conveniently forgets, the start of the 2008 season and "What is wrong with TO, Why isn't he getting open anymore?, He is too old", etc, etc. deja vu

He called this **** out in 2008, then Ray Lewis and Ed Reed did.

We will be on to our next WR bust before long

 

[TheDude]

Exactly.

I don't get the cult following TO has with some Dallas fans. He was a phenomenal player to watch on Sundays. But as good as he was on the field, he was as bad or worse in a locker room.

I don't get marginalizing his every comment because of what he "did" off the field. 2007 -he was phenomenal. 2008, he was getting the Dez Bryant treatment most of the year from the board. Yet Garret and his Brad Johnson vouching (when everyone saw he couldn't throw 10 yards in preseason) cost the Rams game, then they had to go with Brooks Bollinger to get shellacked in another.
Ray Lewis and Ed Reed basically agreed with TO that the offense was so simple and Ray Lewis said the same thing this year about it as well.

Cancer or not, TO didn't cause 9-7 nor was he the turnover machine in the 44-6 beatdown by the Eagles in2008. When Jason Witten has more yards than TO, something is a bit odd. I didn't really care for his talking (or the Werder leaks for that matter), but there were fall guys for 2008 who had no hand in decision s that cost that team a shot at the playoffs

 

[TheDude]

You are missing the important part....
Its not about stats. If TO says Garrett wouldn't let him run but a very limited number of routes then that's a problem.
Shannon is talking about all the routes he has never seen Dez run and TO had a flashback to his time with Garrett when he was restricted to a small predictable amount of routes./
You are focused only on a guys stats. You should listen to what he is saying.

Bravo.

 

[Verdict]

I agree overall that our defense has been our biggest issue over the years.
I think the reason people start to look at JG's offensive scheme is because when something isn't working people tend to look into the reasons why. We have a fan base that has pitchforks out ready to take out Dez Bryant, Jason Witten, Dak Prescott all of a sudden. People see Goff and Wentz looking like Tom Brady once they get spread offense with great play design and they see our team look like 11 guys wearing cement shoes who cant get out of their own way and it makes people question. JG has had the luxury of having the smartest QB in nfl history (my opinion) in Romo. Tony and now Dak appear to be scratching, spinning, fighting for every yard the offense gets. Every route is contested. Every play looks like it a millimeter from blowing up and being a loss.

Watching this offense over the years gives one the impression that players have to win their individual matchups for any play to work. We don't see clever play design that creates mismatches and players running free. You don't see the type of plays the eagles ran on us where guys were schemed open. Instead you see men getting pressed and little open field or separation anywhere.
It also doesn't help to have former players like Ed Reed, Ray Lewis ect commenting on how simplistic your offense is.

I have had my pitchfork out for Dez and Witten for a good while now. Some of you are new to the band wagon. Welcome aboard!!

 

[Verdict]

We've shipped away all the 'trouble-makers' and have given Garrett all the time he needs to get in his right kind of guys. We've even switched quarterbacks out. We've switched coordinators around. The only person who is still here from the old days is Witten. We're not 'a few players away'. We've tore down the roster and rebuilt it. We've brought in different coaches except a new head coach. Obviously Jerry is problem number 1, but it's clear as day that Garrett isn't getting it done. There's no excuses left for him. Get Garrett in the front office somewhere, where he'd excel, but he doesn't need to be coaching.

We can help Garrett some more by shipping out Dez and Witten.

 

[Idgit]

I don't get marginalizing his every comment because of what he "did" off the field. 2007 -he was phenomenal. 2008, he was getting the Dez Bryant treatment most of the year from the board. Yet Garret and his Brad Johnson vouching (when everyone saw he couldn't throw 10 yards in preseason) cost the Rams game, then they had to go with Brooks Bollinger to get shellacked in another.
Ray Lewis and Ed Reed basically agreed with TO that the offense was so simple and Ray Lewis said the same thing this year about it as well.

Cancer or not, TO didn't cause 9-7 nor was he the turnover machine in the 44-6 beatdown by the Eagles in2008. When Jason Witten has more yards than TO, something is a bit odd. I didn't really care for his talking (or the Werder leaks for that matter), but there were fall guys for 2008 who had no hand in decision s that cost that team a shot at the playoffs

I discredit what he says because he's a narcissist who disrupts teams with his OL opinions. Whether it's suggesting to Playboy that his QB is a closeted homosexual, or accusing his coach of taking it easy on an old buddy, or accusing McNabb of choking behind his back, or accusing Tony Romo of playing favorites with his best friend instead of acknowledging Tony had issues with Terrell's freelancing that was getting him picked, the guy is a cancer whose willing to divide teams with controversial opinions based on nothing.

What I don't get is why anybody would listen to him after everything he's done.

 

[Verdict]

I didn't listen to TO, actually. So my issue isn't with anything he might have said. He's just a clown because he's a cancer and a narcissist who wore out a welcome on 5 different NFL teams despite amazing ability who actively undermined every QB he ever worked with, fought with players in the Eagles locker room, spit in the face of an opposing DB, and did that embarrassing sit-up press conference in his driveway.

The guy lives to cause friction with teams. He's one of the biggest ***clowns to put on a pair of cleats, and he'd be a league wide joke the size of Ryan Leaf if he weren't also such a damn good player on Sundays.

Here! Here! Very good post. A player like T.O. can NEVER be good enough to justify his baggage long term. You can have a brief "honeymoon period" and then you know he is going to take everything straight in the shitter with Cousin Eddie.

 

[Doomsday]

Starts around the 6:07 mark for the Garrett fanboys. TO gets technical about the routes they run in Garrett’s offense as well. Bill Walsh already told y’all Owens was the smartest receiver he ever met. Garrett didn’t like loud mouth TO realizing that his offense was trash. The gig is up

It was telling when TO said there were routes, I knew I could run that I wanted to do, but the coaches wouldn't call those routes or allow me to do that.

Pretty much right on par with what a lot of people have been saying for a while, JG's offense is too basic.

 

[TheDude]

I discredit what he says because he's a narcissist who disrupts teams with his OL opinions. Whether it's suggesting to Playboy that his QB is a closeted homosexual, or accusing his coach of taking it easy on an old buddy, or accusing McNabb of choking behind his back, or accusing Tony Romo of playing favorites with his best friend instead of acknowledging Tony had issues with Terrell's freelancing that was getting him picked, the guy is a cancer whose willing to divide teams with controversial opinions based on nothing.

What I don't get is why anybody would listen to him after everything he's done.

Just not at all the point of the conversation, but if you think he doesn't understand football and lies about even though many others have echoed it with visual evidence, that's cool

 

[Yakuza Rich]

He openly complained in the locker room that Romo was throwing too many passes to his hall of fame tight end.

That's false.

He never complained in the locker room. In fact, the entire claim was from Werder who went thru an 'anonymous source' who claimed that TO was secretly complaining about Romo and Witten's relationship. That's part of the controversy because TO was never known to not voice his complaints publicly and yet here he was.

As Stephen Jones said...they really didn't have a problem with how TO acted and behaved in Dallas. The problem was that no matter what he did it was going to cause this enormous hysteria from the media and the team decided that he wasn't worth the media headache.

So, let's stop giving Werder's story more credibility. He's a proven hack and liar who had a vendetta against TO because TO embarassed him each week throughout the 2008 season.






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[Greasylake17]

TO played on 4 different teams over his last 7 years because he was a team cancer. It seemed pretty clear that Parcells didnt want him either. Romo wanted him gone also.

And the best seasons he had out of those last 7 years was his time with the Cowboys. He wasn’t hindered by our offense here. He thrived in it.

He openly complained in the locker room that Romo was throwing too many passes to his hall of fame tight end.

The guy was an idiot.

I get totally their LONG term way of thinking and most if not all would agree knowing TO. However sometimes your cut your nose off just to dispite your face. TO one leg almost won a SB for the Eagles. Also he led a Cowboy team to a 13-3 record and all the reasons they lost had nothing to do with TO. So i get the coaches point of view but its also very very irresponsible to say how close those teams came to winning with him. Its just a matter of timing. Hopefully you catch it quick and it helps you and u take advantage of it. He was that good. Of course he was a head case and any old school coach would want him

 

[Greasylake17]

TO and Romo on 07 were great together. But people forget what happened? TO had a high ankle sprain and we all know we was never the same in short period of time. If he was totally healthy in that Giant playoff game im convinced it would have been a different game for sure. Not saying we would have won but the whole dynamic of the game would have been changed. The Giants still had tbat amazing front 7. But with a healthy TO maybe the game is different. The Giants played great that whole run. But rememeber how TO changed teams defenes. Im just saying what if. Which i know is only so frustrating

 

[Bleu Star]

Starts around the 6:07 mark for the Garrett fanboys. TO gets technical about the routes they run in Garrett’s offense as well. Bill Walsh already told y’all Owens was the smartest receiver he ever met. Garrett didn’t like loud mouth TO realizing that his offense was trash. The gig is up

TO will always remain my boy.

 

[haleyrules]

Owens was the biggest team killer of all time. Divided every locker room he entered. He was a heck of a receiver but too much drama. It was always just about him.

 

[xwalker]

He didn’t want to go at Garrett’s head until Shannon Sharpe and Skip provoked him. I’m glad he brought up that loser, the talk is getting louder. Shannon doesn’t have to go at Dez so hard though lol goodness.

Sharpe says Dez can't run the route tree and probably never watches film of other receivers.

TO probably doesn't even watch the games. He made a comment about a lack of opportunties for Dez which indicates he has not reviewed this topic because Dez is near the top in targets.

TO just showed up with no prep with the intent to bash Garrett who we already know he hates.

 

[BAT]

I discredit what he says because he's a narcissist who disrupts teams with his OL opinions. Whether it's suggesting to Playboy that his QB is a closeted homosexual, or accusing his coach of taking it easy on an old buddy, or accusing McNabb of choking behind his back, or accusing Tony Romo of playing favorites with his best friend instead of acknowledging Tony had issues with Terrell's freelancing that was getting him picked, the guy is a cancer whose willing to divide teams with controversial opinions based on nothing.

What I don't get is why anybody would listen to him after everything he's done.

People listen because Owens is one of the greatest WRs of all time. All the off field hate has no bearing on what he accomplished ON THE FIELD. In fact, what he was able to accomplish even with the obvious bias elevates his production even more. The guy may rub many people wrong with his words but his performances speak for itself. If Eagles win that SB he played in (after coming back EARLY from a broken leg), Owens is undeniably the MVP of that game.

 

[DejectedFan1996]

He didn’t want to go at Garrett’s head until Shannon Sharpe and Skip provoked him. I’m glad he brought up that loser, the talk is getting louder. Shannon doesn’t have to go at Dez so hard though lol goodness.

Doesn’t work. You have another link

 

[JoeKing]

Skip calling TO "team obliterator" all the time but when face to face he was much nicer.

 

[stilltheguru88]

Doesn’t work. You have another link

I wish I did. I’d love to talk to TO one in one about that bum Garrett and 2008. We know we’ll get the truth from him as TO has never lied to the public. Garrett the politician is trash