If we give Irving a 1st round tender

[Hoofbite]

Doubt it. Most teams are more aware of the value of a single player than Dallas. Dallas thinks any and ever player that produces is irreplaceable.

1st rounder for a guy with questionable availability and no real elite production? No thanks. May as well gamble on the rookie class.

 

[Zman5]

That's a bit unfair since they did find Lawrence and Irving, and Sean Lee and well, you get the picture.

Sean Lee was drafted by Wade and Irving wasn't drafted by us.

 

[Bullflop]

It's a tough call to be sure. Losing Irving would create a needy situation for our FO to replace. I'm glad they'll have to make that choice and not myself. A first round tender might very well ensure Irving's presence being respected. I think I'd go along with such a decision, although it'd certainly be understandable if they didn't.

 

[JeffInDC]

As much as I like Irving (I want him Dallas long-term), IF this team could somehow get a 2nd 1st Rounder and convert those 2 picks into 2 Blue-Chip defensive players, I would take that in a heartbeat.

 

[Nightman]

As much as I like Irving (I want him Dallas long-term), IF this team could somehow get a 2nd 1st Rounder and convert those 2 picks into 2 Blue-Chip defensive players, I would take that in a heartbeat.

Irving got killed against PHI with the trap blocks

He still lacks a true position...... with DLaw getting big money and Collins and Taco on the cheap it is hard to invest a lot more into Irving.... one year at 4m is a perfect test

But I almost hope a team offered a 1st for Irving

We could get that true beast at DT for 4 years instead of 1 more year for Irving

 

[Toruk_Makto]

On the upside this would we'd have another first rounder to spend on offense. Maybe go WR and TE in the 1st?

That's the board consensus right? Cut Dez and Witten and use our premium draft selections on offense? At least that way we can continue to complain about the defense and Garrett's inability to have a perfect offense that can compensate.

 

[conner01]

Unless the Cowboys want him to get snagged because he is more of a problem than the public is aware. In that case you want them to take him off your hands.

Possible but haven’t heard anything about him being a problem

 

[xwalker]

Do you think another team might try to sign him?

Does tendering open the possibility of losing him?

Should we try and lock him up long term?

If a team does give him and offer sheet, do you match or take the first round pick?

On average getting a 1st a player that will be expensive would be a win. People will compare to specific 1st round picks that have not been great, but on average the team getting the pick comes out ahead.

The Cowboys would get the pick AND the money they would have paid Irving. Basically they get 2 for 1.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

On average getting a 1st a player that will be expensive would be a win. People will compare to specific 1st round picks that have not been great, but on average the team getting the pick comes out ahead.

The Cowboys would get the pick AND the money they would have paid Irving. Basically they get 2 for 1.

Some of you draft experts can correct me if I'm wrong but from what I tell from a couple draft sites, this appears to be a weak draft for DEs. Other words, a first for Irving could be a steal for a team with lots cap money.

 

[xwalker]

Some of you draft experts can correct me if I'm wrong but from what I tell from a couple draft sites, this appears to be a weak draft for DEs. Other words, a first for Irving could be a steal for a team with lots cap money.

He has been playing DT...

 

[xwalker]

On the upside this would we'd have another first rounder to spend on offense. Maybe go WR and TE in the 1st?

That's the board consensus right? Cut Dez and Witten and use our premium draft selections on offense? At least that way we can continue to complain about the defense and Garrett's inability to have a perfect offense that can compensate.

Make it an OT that can play OG instead of a TE...

 

[diefree666]

Some of you draft experts can correct me if I'm wrong but from what I tell from a couple draft sites, this appears to be a weak draft for DEs. Other words, a first for Irving could be a steal for a team with lots cap money.

depends on if you consider Irving a DE or DT

 

[Corso]

What could we get for him now? A 3rd, maybe?

I don't think even that.

 

[xwalker]

I think that's exactly what happens, this year or next.

Crawford is scheduled to make 6M. The market for Irving could be more than double that amount.

Wait until after training camp to decide on guys like Crawford and Scandrick. If they are comfortable with their replacements, then cut them and move on.

 

[xwalker]

People always neglect the most important part of a player for pick trade: money.

Irving would command big money. Probably 11+ mil/year.

A mid first rounder would get about 11 mil - over four years.

Significant difference. You're not only trading Irving for a pick, you're trading him for a big chunk of cap space.

You get Dontari Poe + 1st round pick OR Irving.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Do you think another team might try to sign him?

Does tendering open the possibility of losing him?

Should we try and lock him up long term?

If a team does give him and offer sheet, do you match or take the first round pick?

Surely (and I know you dont like being called Surley) the Jones braintrust is not so stupid as to not do everything in their power to keep Irving.
Irving is a serendipity. Let's sew him up for at least 4 years.

 

[xwalker]

Yeah but getting a dominant pass rusher for a late 1st rounder is also great value for someone.

In the pre-salary cap world that was true. Now the biggest value of draft picks is their reasonable contracts.

The Cowboys could sign a 1tech like Dontari Poe to replace Irving AND get the 1st round pick. Poe would get the money Irving will get if he stays and signs a long term contract. It's basically a free pick for the Cowboys.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

There is never a guarantee with a first round pick, and your odds of getting similar level production as we are getting from him this year arent good.

Also at his age he still has significant upside

Yes but a first round pick is price controlled for 5 years. He is not going to forgo FA to sign a moderate short term deal. He is going to want to get paid.

And of course we can match.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

In the pre-salary cap world that was true. Now the biggest value of draft picks is their reasonable contracts.

The Cowboys could sign a 1tech like Dontari Poe to replace Irving AND get the 1st round pick. Poe would get the money Irving will get if he stays and signs a long term contract. It's basically a free pick for the Cowboys.

I'm not interested in a late round pick though. Those guys aren't going to come in and make a immediate impact. Especially on defense.

I like Poe. Though they play different positions...his impact isn't felt like Irving's is.

HE was out there....and neither party seemed interested.

 

[HungryLion]

Not really .... he is the 42nd highest paid DL

His contract calls for 6m, 7m and 8m the next 3 years...... none of it guaranteed

Yes really.

There are 128 starting defensive lineman in the NFL.

Tyrone Crawford is barely borderline starting material. He is an injury prone JAG. He wouldn’t even start on a lot of teams that have solid DL depth. Crawford is a rotational defensive lineman on a good defense.

6,7,8 million per year for a JAG is overpaid.