Dak numbers without Zeke

OH BS. Look at the last ten games or so he played and how many hits he took - it was the weird one he got after sliding that injured him last. He took normal hits just fine. The collarbone was the result of him being body slammed. I wish people were not so easily swayed by such crap

We'll have to agree to disagree. Even outside of the obvious hits (broken collarbone(s)/back), he would often struggle, wince, limp, etc. He was a warrior but his body was really struggling to hold up and it's not very prudent to expect that to change as he ages further.
 
Even with the Atlanta game, on average, Dak played behind a line 95 percent of NFL qbs would dream of.

Dak was bad even in clean pockets. The excuse making is amazing for this kid.

Not sure how much "excuse making" there needs to be for a second year QB (hint: not even the greatest of all time were dominant that early in their careers) with a career QB rating of 98 and a a record of 21-9 (playoffs included).

It amazes me that there are people that expect a 2nd year QB to come in and be Rodgers in his prime. Mind boggling.
 
He did have a stinker v. PHI, and wasn't very good tonight, missing some early chances to take control of the game, but too much is getting made of the Zeke angle. It'll be great to have him back, though, and he also ought to give an emotional lift to this team.
Agreed. Having said that... Man I hope it is as simple as blaming Zeke's absence for Dak.

He doesn't look like the dame qb at all. I hope giving him his security blanket back (despite the fact we ran well in Zeke's absence) helps a lot. We'll need it.

But I'm worried about that because Dak hasn't been as good as last year (some drop-off was expected) even become the Zeke suspension.
 
Not sure how much "excuse making" there needs to be for a second year QB (hint: not even the greatest of all time were dominant that early in their careers) with a career QB rating of 98 and a a record of 21-9 (playoffs included).

It amazes me that there are people that expect a 2nd year QB to come in and be Rodgers in his prime. Mind boggling.
A) Individual records for qbs are stupid.

B) I would tend to agree with this.... Except this fanbase was giddy and all too happy to run off a dominant qb to insert this young kid. So to me that's the standard.
 
A) Individual records for qbs are stupid.

B) I would tend to agree with this.... Except this fanbase was giddy and all too happy to run off a dominant qb to insert this young kid. So to me that's the standard.

A) I agree - just pointing out he is not at all costing us opportunities to win.

b) Fair enough - the only ones that would argue Romo wasn't dominant are haters that subscribe to the goofy "playoff woes" meme. Romo was incredible, and it's likely Dak will never reach that level given that with more playoff success he would have been a HoF lock. I just don't think Romo's body was going to hold up going forward. I'm ok with opting to groom a comically cheap backup who has shown all of the flashes that you could ask for. Romo coming off the books this offseason could make a real difference next year.
 
You missed my point.

With Dak as our QB going forward, we have no real shot at winning anything of significance.

We faced a TERRIBLE Oakland pass defense and we still needed luck to save our season.

Wave your pom poms all you want but we should be worried going forward.

We Dak "haters" are misunderstood.

We are no different than Garrett "haters"...

At the end of the day, we win despite both Dak and Garret and not because of them..
I disagree. I don't think "Dak haters" are misunderstood at all. The moment you said "With Dak as our QB going forward, we have no real shot at winning anything of significance," was the moment we knew this post shouldn't be taken seriously. :thumbup:
 
We'll have to agree to disagree. Even outside of the obvious hits (broken collarbone(s)/back), he would often struggle, wince, limp, etc. He was a warrior but his body was really struggling to hold up and it's not very prudent to expect that to change as he ages further.
big difference between that and claiming any hit would take him right out
 
I don't think Dak is up to last year's standard, but then again, I don't think Brees or Brady could play up to their standards running this high school offense. Defenses have only to defend from the numbers to the sidelines on passing downs, and not worry about the middle of the field. It has gotten worse this year. The offense has changed quite a bit since Linehan came in. When Romo had Austin and Crayton, they played the slot and were terrors in the middle of the field, running slants and crossing patterns. When Linehan came in, and Beasely came on board, the middle of the field has just about disappeared from the offense. No more Witten up the seams. This offense is so predictable. I would love to see Dak and Zeke in an offense with quick passes, crossing patterns, pick plays, but keeping the same running game. This offense needs more speed on the outside, with good pattern runners. People complain about Dak not throwing the deep pass.... To who?

I heard Babe on the radio last week, he was talking about his conversation with Linehan and Marrinelli. He said both of them told him that this is their offense/defense and they will not change it. They told him it is simple and basic and their philosophy is the simplify things and keep perfecting the execution of those few plays, and eventually get it the team to perfectly execute the system which will beat the other team. They said that they don't spend the bye week designing different plays, they work on perfecting the execution of their system. Contrast that to Reid and McVay who have said that they spend a lot of time designing new plays. Andy says he watches a lot of college football and steals their plays. Our coaches think their outdated systems are perfect and don't need tweaking.
 
Tyron and Zeke both out, the Raiders playing essentially a playoff game, of course it's going to be tough. How would Troy have done without Emmitt and Tuinei? That's the reason they called Troy, Emmitt, and Michael the triplets. I do agree that our receivers need to get better at catching contested balls.
 
Yep. And many of them aren’t playing well as a result.
Really? Doesn't seem to be affecting the truly good teams like the Patriots, Eagles, and Vikings, all missing key players. We're just not a very good team.
 
Really? Doesn't seem to be affecting the truly good teams like the Patriots, Eagles, and Vikings, all missing key players. We're just not a very good team.

It's all relative. Though I'd say the Eagles looked pretty affected this weekend.
 
yea no kidding. After all the years of losing games just like this we win one, a crucial one and people just find stuff to complain about during the win.

the official post game show right now which is always bad is complaining about wr and how they havent made changes during the year. as if they could sign jerry rice and john taylor in the middle of the season or something.

I'm not sure what is wrong with pointing out real deficiencies and short comings even after a win?

Some of us actually have the ability to "enjoy the win" but also look at the areas of deficiency

I like Dak but he has real issues and ignoring them will not help

What is the problem with talking about them?

Maybe you can explain it?
 
as if they could sign jerry rice and john taylor in the middle of the season or something.

That would be easy, jeri can throw a few bucks at them. He's good at getting folks off their couches to come to the cowboys
 
I'm just glad we won the game!
:dance:

  • Yes, for the most part, Dak has not looked good the last 5-6 games.
  • Still, I'm not one worried about him long term Call me naive.
  • As for Romo; his body was beaten up and he's where he needs to be now. He's doing great at his new job and enjoying his family.
  • The one thing I hope some of his bashers will finally understand is that just maybe they underrated him. I mean, we are whining about no Zeke...Romo had nobody like Zeke (who is amazing) his entire career and only had a line this good 1-2 years. His defense, other than 1-2 years were incredibly atrocious as well. Some here underrated him...imo.
In any case, I'm focused on the here and now, and that is these Cowboys--including Dak and Zeke.
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yea no kidding. After all the years of losing games just like this we win one, a crucial one and people just find stuff to complain about during the win.

the official post game show right now which is always bad is complaining about wr and how they havent made changes during the year. as if they could sign jerry rice and john taylor in the middle of the season or something.

Welcome to the underbelly of Dallas Cowboy fandom. When you're telling everybody who will listen that the season if completely over Thanksgiving night, and the team breaks off an unlikely three game win streak, you have to circle the wagons somehow. It's not going to change until another Superbowl is won, and then there will probably be some people still throwing in passive-aggressive digs about how we could have done it sooner or easier. All you can do is take note of who's doing the talking, and of why.
 
Really? Doesn't seem to be affecting the truly good teams like the Patriots, Eagles, and Vikings, all missing key players. We're just not a very good team.
None of this is true but you're not here for honest discussion. You're just a massive troll.
 
Even with the Atlanta game, on average, Dak played behind a line 95 percent of NFL qbs would dream of.

Dak was bad even in clean pockets. The excuse making is amazing for this kid.

I don't think an O-Line with Byron Bell and La'el Collins at tackle with Jonathan Cooper at LG is an O-Line that QB's dream of.

It goes beyond EE as up until last night, Morris was averaging 5.0 yards per carry.

It was about a coaching staff that have very predictable play calling and struggles to adjust when things do not go to plan with a major problem at the Z-Receiver position, the complete regression of Witten and Dez as receivers. Combine that with Dak's footwork issues and the pass protection taking a massive decline...it's why the numbers dropped despite such good production from Morris.




YR
 
Remember when the 93 Cowboys lost their first 2 games without Emmitt? Yeah elite RBs are kind of important.

They also lost their last two games despite controlling their own destiny to make the playoffs when Emmitt playing and Babe Laufenburg was QB when Aikman went down...
 

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