Franchise Tag: Demarcus Lawrence & the Salary Cap

[BigStar]

Do you think we're going to win the super bowl next year? y/n?

No; really comes down to Dak's development tbh. But, we could in the next few seasons where he could be a centerpiece if he proves worthy during his tagged year by replicating production and staying healthy.

 

[Galian Beast]

No; really comes down to Dak's development tbh. But, we could in the next few seasons where he could be a centerpiece if he proves worthy during his tagged year by replicating production and staying healthy.

How does franchising Lawrence in 2018 help us win in a few seasons?

 

[Galian Beast]

No, we haven't but we will.

No poe couldn't if even half the things you suggested happened. Seriously you terminated and accelerated the cap hit on like 200 million worth of contracts.

I know you didn't, I did for you; keep up.

You're all over the place. What do you think we could get for the listed players.

Please add up the amount of accelerated cap, you're way off.

"You want earl Thomas but want more than him for the only asset you mention trading"

want more than him for the only asset you mentioned trading....

You assumed that I meant trading Tyron for Thomas, and I did not.

 

[John813]

How does franchising Lawrence in 2018 help us win in a few seasons?

1. If he plays well and avoids injury for a second year in a row, then we can re-sign him to a long term deal, securing a pass rush for the next 2-4 years. His current play is something that we needed back in 14/16.*
2. If he sucks for whatever reason, we wipe our hands clean of any long term contract and aren't hampered by a one year wonder with 40+mil in guarantees.


* Of course he was on the team at that time but wasn't healthy enough to perform at a high level.

 

[superonyx]

The window closed on him and he has not shown enough consistency to warrant a contract. It's pretty simple.

What window closed?
You say it’s pretty simple in a way that is meant to close off any discussion. But the reality is facts are not on your side. The fact that matters is we have no intentions of letting him leave. I doubt it’s going to take the franchise tag...but either way the only thing that is “Pretty Simple” is the fact that he is staying and he will get paid well.

You don’t have to like or agree with it...but why react so defensive and negatively towards people that don’t agree with your idea for playing message board GM.

The rest of this silliness is weird. We are not packaging Dez or Smith or anything for Thomas or whatever Maddenish scenarios people want to draw up.

 

[BigStar]

How does franchising Lawrence in 2018 help us win in a few seasons?

We resign him after he has proven himself in his tagged year. I get your trollin me now, have fun w/the thread.

 

[theebs]

My takeaway from the original post is that players are not worth any money and should be nickel and dimed.

I guess the owners who are all billionaires and risk nothing should just keep the revenue from, tickets, parking, tv and radio contracts? Screw the players they are just like old white men give them a place to stay out of trouble....a.m. I right?

The patriots should be ridiculed for not paying players what they are worth and for constantly finding new ways to get out of paying players who have helped them win through the years and not every team should pay no one.

Myself I like football for the players it appears in this era of fans most like the owners and the buisness element of the league and the draft. I don’t get it but whatever.

 

[Stash]

How does franchising Lawrence in 2018 help us win in a few seasons?

Would you not get a comp pick a year later if you tagged Lawrence for that one season? You seem to be fixated on "winning the Super Bowl in 2018" as the sole reason to keep Lawrence.

 

[Galian Beast]

Would you not get a comp pick a year later if you tagged Lawrence for that one season? You seem to be fixated on "winning the Super Bowl in 2018" as the sole reason to keep Lawrence.

You're clearly not looking at the opportunity cost of spending the money on him and not winning a super bowl (which we won't).

 

[Galian Beast]

We resign him after he has proven himself in his tagged year. I get your trollin me now, have fun w/the thread.

And we do that instead of signing multiple players who could grow within our system and help out without creating a huge liability of concentrated cap space in one player.

You're thinking of the best case scenario. That you sign him, he stays out of trouble, and he doesn't get hurt, and plays extremely well through out his contract.

Again this is financial maleficence.

To put it in another term, you're putting all your eggs in one basket, and a risky basket at that.

 

[tm1119]

You're clearly not looking at the opportunity cost of spending the money on him and not winning a super bowl (which we won't).

Please explain to me what you think the front office will spend the $ on if we don’t bring back Lawrence? They’ve already showed an unwillingness to spend on vet free agents time and time again and I highly doubt it changes. So your plan would be to do what? Just leave the cap space open and hope we are built to win in 2-3 years?

 

[Stash]

You're clearly not looking at the opportunity cost of spending the money on him and not winning a super bowl (which we won't).

I'm "clearly" not seeing everything the same way that you are here.

Consider this, you're advocating a coaching change while acknowledging it's not happening (and preaching to the choir with me!).

What do you think happens if Jones ever decided to let this team's only top pass rusher simply walk in 2018? If that's not a built-in excuse for yet another year of "Life with Garrett", I don't know what is. I mean how could Jason possibly be expected to overcome a clear obstacle like that? The d can was obviously stacked against him! One arm tied behind his back! No way anyone could be expected to compete under such hardship!

So be careful what you, in fact, wish for.

 

[JeffInDC]

I would hate to have some of these folks as my accountant. According to Over the Cap, Dallas has around $21M (after the carryover $) for 2018. And, that is for a team that only has 47 players signed. Why people think it's financially smart to blow almost all of your cap space on 1 guy is beyond comprehension.

 

[Galian Beast]

My takeaway from the original post is that players are not worth any money and should be nickel and dimed.

I guess the owners who are all billionaires and risk nothing should just keep the revenue from, tickets, parking, tv and radio contracts? Screw the players they are just like old white men give them a place to stay out of trouble....a.m. I right?

The patriots should be ridiculed for not paying players what they are worth and for constantly finding new ways to get out of paying players who have helped them win through the years and not every team should pay no one.

Myself I like football for the players it appears in this era of fans most like the owners and the buisness element of the league and the draft. I don’t get it but whatever.

Your takeaway is baseless.

No where did I say players aren't worth money or that they should be nickel and dimed.

Your entire post was ridiculous.

 

[Galian Beast]

Please explain to me what you think the front office will spend the $ on if we don’t bring back Lawrence? They’ve already showed an unwillingness to spend on vet free agents time and time again and I highly doubt it changes. So your plan would be to do what? Just leave the cap space open and hope we are built to win in 2-3 years?

This isn't about what they will do, it is about what they SHOULD do. Their incompetence isn't an excuse to promote doing the wrong thing.

 

[Galian Beast]

I'm "clearly" not seeing everything the same way that you are here.

Consider this, you're advocating a coaching change while acknowledging it's not happening (and preaching to the choir with me!).

What do you think happens if Jones ever decided to let this team's only top pass rusher simply walk in 2018? If that's not a built-in excuse for yet another year of "Life with Garrett", I don't know what is. I mean how could Jason possibly be expected to overcome a clear obstacle like that? The d can was obviously stacked against him! One arm tied behind his back! No way anyone could be expected to compete under such hardship!

So be careful what you, in fact, wish for.

Please see my post above. Their incompetence isn't an excuse to make poor moves that will only maintain the status quo.

 

[Stash]

Please see my post above. Their incompetence isn't an excuse to make poor moves that will only maintain the status quo.

Please see my post and respond to what I said. You have this vision in your head that you somehow think is "the only way" and fail to acknowledge any other point of view.

Again, letting Lawrence walk gives Garrett - a guy you want gone - yet another built-in excuse to disappoint in 2018.

I agree with you that Lawrence's history of uspension and injury makes any decision a tough one, but simply letting the "War Daddy" they've been searching for walk out the door is the worst-case scenario that one could choose.

 

[DogFace]

The window closed on him and he has not shown enough consistency to warrant a contract. It's pretty simple.

Being among league leaders in sacks despite being dragged to the ground in 9 straight games is consistent enough.

Pass rushers are rare. You finally got one keep him.

Sorry, you’re wrong. He’s worth the gamble.

 

[tm1119]

This isn't about what they will do, it is about what they SHOULD do. Their incompetence isn't an excuse to promote doing the wrong thing.

Ok well have fun in your fantasy world, I prefer to deal with reality.

Reality is that this team is better with Lawrence, and there won’t be a replacement brought in even close to replacing Lawrence’s production.

 

[TheBigEasy]

does the op think Madden is real?

Wait, are you telling me that Madden isn't real? I just spent my entire holiday vacation researching ways to improve this team via the trade route. I have a report ready to be mailed to Jerry which includes 'The Plan for the 2018-19 Season'. To give you a quick sneak peak...

- Dallas trades Benson Mayowa to the Denver Broncos in exchange for Von MIller.
- Dallas trades Geoff Swaim & Kyle Wilber to the Patriots for Rob Gronkowski and a player to be named later. (Bill tells Gronk, after the season, that he's concerned about his health and that they are looking to get younger at the TE position).
- Dallas then makes one final trade with the New Orleans Saints by sending the Saints Cole Beasley & Dallas's 2035's 1st round pick for Michael Thomas and Alvin Kamara.

Now, if Madden isn't real, these trades will NEVER happen. Will they????