Dez and Witten Suck Train

[Verdict]

Who all has jumped on either of those trains that weren't on them when the 2017 season started?

Has ANYONE decided either of these guys are awesome and you have gone from hating them to being on their bandwagon?

 

[The Dark Bishop]

Who all has jumped on either of those trains that weren't on them when the 2017 season started?

Has ANYONE decided either of these guys are awesome and you have gone from hating them to being on their bandwagon?

Sorry my friend, both have great skill sets if we play to them. If not then they are average at best. While many of us wish for players that can do everything to any defense out there, it takes great scheming and even better execution from both the player and the QB. Maybe all should work on such this off season.

For the record I had faith in them before and I shall have faith in them again. Just a matter of if our team will make them great again or another.....

 

[Shinaoi]

I’m on the train that dez doesn’t suit dak’s play style. Dez could probably still be decent somewhere with some like Rodgers or brees.

 

[Verdict]

Sorry my friend, both have great skill sets if we play to them. If not then they are average at best. While many of us wish for players that can do everything to any defense out there, it takes great scheming and even better execution from both the player and the QB. Maybe all should work on such this off season.

You still sold on both?

 

[The Dark Bishop]

You still sold on both?

Witten is a two trick pony but does them well. Sadly his blocking has become awful. His false starts are also becoming an issue. If we played to his strengths another year or two might not be so bad. It still takes working with the newer QB.

Dez still has wheels if he shuts down the ego and works with his QB. Both were poor last year, both can improve. To be honest if both were passionate about their career they would work together this off season and fix a lot of their issues......

 

[Verdict]

Witten is a two trick pony but does them well. Sadly his blocking has become awful. His false starts are also becoming an issue. If we played to his strengths another year or two might not be so bad. It still takes working with the newer QB.

Dez still has wheels if he shuts down the ego and works with his QB. Both were poor last year, both can improve. To be honest if both were passionate about their career they would work together this off season and fix a lot of their issues......

Witten is slow but steady. We could use him situationally if we had speed elsewhere, but his salary is too high. If we could get him to take a significant pay cut, get some speed at receiver and only play him on about 30 percent of the snaps he could have value to the team.

Dez probably isn't going to work on anything other than practicing throwing up the "X" in the mirror because he is Dez.

 

[Reality]

Both players still have something to offer, but neither are what they once were. That said, they can still both play a valuable role if used correctly. Dez's 2018 salary is going to be an issue though.

As for Witten, they should start reducing his plays, especially on first and second downs more starting next year. He still has great hands, but the decline in his blocking ability was easily noticeable this year. Swaim was playing pretty well in 2016 before his injury and Hannah made some really great catches on the run this season. If Gathers returns next year, he could definitely be nice addition to the passing game.

I have never understood why fans turn on Cowboys players, especially those who have had great years in the past for Dallas. There is nothing wrong with thinking they have lost a step or even that it is time to move on from them, but you can do that without hating the players.

 

[The Dark Bishop]

Witten is slow but steady. We could use him situationally if we had speed elsewhere, but his salary is too high. If we could get him to take a significant pay cut, get some speed at receiver and only play him on about 30 percent of the snaps he could have value to the team.

Dez probably isn't going to work on anything other than practicing throwing up the "X" in the mirror because he is Dez.

Well after this season you have a great case for both...... Not fighting you there. But the reality says Witten will play for his salary next year. Knowing that you must make a decision. Are you confident in letting him go or play to his strengths? Dez on the other hand is young enough and has the passion. You don't get to 70+ TDs unless you can play. Sadly I don't think it is up to the coaches to fix the issues with Dez. I think it takes Dak and Dez to work it out. This off season will speak volumes on who really is dedicated to their craft. I hope to see all three show improvements. If not we will be at a place in 2019 to rid them all without too much burden.

 

[Tabascocat]

Both can still be useful, yet both shouldn't be the main focus. I think Witten hinders the offense more though, we need a legit threat at TE.

I still say that Dez could go to another team and produce much better than here. One needs to slowly be phased out while the other needs to be used correctly for this scheme.

 

[JoeKing]

Talk about Dez sucking all you want but when you include Witten in that conversation, you've gone too far. Witten is a living legend that should be respected. I'm glad he's coming back next season.

 

[Verdict]

Both players still have something to offer, but neither are what they once were. That said, they can still both play a valuable role if used correctly. Dez's 2018 salary is going to be an issue though.

As for Witten, they should start reducing his plays, especially on first and second downs more starting next year. He still has great hands, but the decline in his blocking ability was easily noticeable this year. Swaim was playing pretty well in 2016 before his injury and Hannah made some really great catches on the run this season. If Gathers returns next year, he could definitely be nice addition to the passing game.

I have never understood why fans turn on Cowboys players, especially those who have had great years in the past for Dallas. There is nothing wrong with thinking they have lost a step or even that it is time to move on from them, but you can do that without hating the players.

I don't hate either player but I do hate hat these guys are killing the team. Witten is a professional in every way----except that he is greedy as hell when it comes to playing time and it's not warranted. Witten hasn't been able to block for several years. Put him out to pasture and hire him as a coach.

I am more negative on Dez because not only can he not play well, his salary is off the charts AND he is a distraction, and that's putting it kindly.

Your point is a reasonable point of view. I am just more down on them than you are.

 

[Verdict]

Both can still be useful, yet both shouldn't be the main focus. I think Witten hinders the offense more though, we need a legit threat at TE.

I still say that Dez could go to another team and produce much better than here. One needs to slowly be phased out while the other needs to be used correctly for this scheme.

I hear that a lot but I don't think it's possible. Dez can't be counted on to run precise routes so that limits what they will let him run.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Man...I'd get replacements for both. I really think that Hanna is currently better than witten.

 

[KJJ]

I can understand the frustration with Dez but I don’t get some of the hate for Witten. No one brings more leadership to the team than he does. His yards were down this season because of the offensive issues we had along with the struggles Dak had. His struggles affected everyone’s numbers. Our offense is different now than it was a few years ago, we’re a run first team. During a majority of Romo’s career we were passing happy resulting in some 1000 yard seasons for Witten.

I’m not saying he’s the same player he was then but he’s still a good player. He was second on the team this season with five TDs. The Cowboys have a strange fanbase. You have some here who would rather play Noah Brown over Dez who’s still the most gifted receiver we have. They should rename this forum the Idiot Zone. Some of the crap that ends up here is ridiculous. Not an ounce of intelligence just stupidity.

 

[KJJ]

Another thing that amazes me about this fanbase is how some will defend players like Byron Jones who haven’t done crap for this team and hate on players like Witten who’ve helped us win games. Some have finally started to come to grips with some of the issues Jones has but it’s taken 3 full seasons and watching him get benched.

 

[Tabascocat]

Another thing that amazes me about this fanbase is how some will defend players like Byron Jones who haven’t done crap for this team and hate on players like Witten who’ve helped us win games. Some have finally started to come to grips with some of the issues Jones has but it’s taken 3 full seasons and watching him get benched.

It's not about hating on Witten, I love the guy and what he has brought to the team. But, at some point you have to realize he is becoming a detriment to the offense. Dallas holds onto players too long for various reasons.

I want Witten here next season but it would be nice to incorporate a new TE in the mix and not just a catch or two spread out over the season.

I think this offense needs that speedy, vertical threat to fully reach its potential. Bring in Jason when that critical 3rd down is needed.

 

[Rockport]

Dez is a 1 dimensional WR. Throw it up high and he can go and get it if he can catch it. But he just can’t get open consistently anymore. Witten is still one of the best blocking TE’s in the league. That and the leadership he brings warrants no hate from anyone.

 

[KJJ]

It's not about hating on Witten, I love the guy and what he has brought to the team. But, at some point you have to realize he is becoming a detriment to the offense. Dallas holds onto players too long for various reasons.

I want Witten here next season but it would be nice to incorporate a new TE in the mix and not just a catch or two spread out over the season.

I think this offense needs that speedy, vertical threat to fully reach its potential. Bring in Jason when that critical 3rd down is needed.

Where has Witten become a detriment to the offense? Who’s better at the position on this team? He still moves the chains and scores TDs. We need a speedy vertical threat at WR. TE Isn’t the problem on this team it’s the WRs. I have no issue incorporating another TE but we can’t just move on from Witten when he’s still one of the best players on the team. If you want to talk about a detriment talk about Dez.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Talk about Dez sucking all you want but when you include Witten in that conversation, you've gone too far. Witten is a living legend that should be respected. I'm glad he's coming back next season.

It is not Witten's fault that the coaches can't find a good replacement. Jason is still the best TE on the roster.

 

[Melonfeud]

Truth be told, I've been down on #88 since he played hardball in his contract, bought a flipping monkey& needed an iv for dehydration in game #1 afterwards, outta synch, not prepared for battle& not worth the the feed &stable bill since,other than those minor discrepancies, I love the guy& glad he wears the 'STAR',,, & Any of you belly button lint picking ingrates bemoaning the existence of having #82 GRACIOUSLY GRACING us with his off the charts ballistic coefficient pertaining to his killer CALIBER,,, don't know yer' *** from a hole in the ground,,,