We hate on JG, some more than others and some even clamored for Jon Gruden. Why?

[Stash]

he cried because jim harbaugh squeezed his hand too hard during a handshake. garrett only turns red. speaking of harbaugh, he's another college coach who did pretty well in the nfl.

Yeah, he would be my dream hire for the job, if and when he leaves Michigan.

I think he could come in here and win with the roster we have today.

 

[northerncowboynation]

He's not up to the job he's charged with. The numbers and lack of meaningful wins show it.

7 years is more than enough time.

I don't "hate" the man, no matter how much you'd like to say that.

I've just had enough of his act and his lack of results.

You're allowed to have enough

 

[northerncowboynation]

Yeah, he would be my dream hire for the job, if and when he leaves Michigan.

I think he could come in here and win with the roster we have today.

I thought your guy was Schwartzie.

 

[visionary]

Average, middle of the pack. In a 32 team league 16'th. I'll name you 23 of 32 who have lost more and not won a single play off game.

In your zeal to defend the mediocre, you are losing sight of why teams play football: it is to win the SB, TO BE THE BEST not to be #16

NO HEAD COACH has EVER WON THE SB after 7 years with the same team

NEVER

No sane person believes Garrett is going to make NFL history by breaking this record (remember I'm only talking about sane people so this may not make sense to you)

Whether Garrett will ever "learn" enough coaching to even get to an NFC CG is doubtful but it certainly will not happen with the cowboys

 

[Asklesko]

Ahhh therin lies the rub. the talent is average. As Parcells said "you are what you are"

Parcells did not factor himself into that equation because he thought he was perfect. I, on the other hand, believe that coaching does contribute to the record, and consider Jason Garrett and staff to be a severe handicap. He and company are the reason we don't win in the playoffs.

 

[northerncowboynation]

in fact, my expectations are low for a reason, especially on HC. Less far to fall when he's still HC in 2018. Beyond that who knows. I tend to support the guys we have, not the ones we don't have. Call me a homer, call me a blind supporter. I don't care

 

[Stash]

Ahhh therin lies the rub. the talent is average. As Parcells said "you are what you are"

The quote is "you are what your record says you are". And that record referees to the coach and the team.

Last I checked, those numbers appear next to the coaches name, not the players.

 

[northerncowboynation]

In your zeal to defend the mediocre, you are losing sight of why teams play football: it is to win the SB, TO BE THE BEST not to be #16

NO HEAD COACH has EVER WON THE SB after 7 years with the same team

NEVER

No sane person believes Garrett is going to make NFL history by breaking this record (remember I'm only talking about sane people so this may not make sense to you)

Whether Garrett will ever "learn" enough coaching to even get to an NFC CG is doubtful but it certainly will not happen with the cowboys

We keep records like that for a reason. To be broken. You're absolutely right. The game of football is played on the field, not on paper

 

[northerncowboynation]

The quote is "you are what your record says you are". And that record referees to the coach and the team.

Last I checked, those numbers appear next to the coaches name, not the players.

Sory bud, Parcell's was referring to the team

 

[Stash]

I thought your guy was Schwartzie.

He was one I mentioned that's currently in the pros. To avoid going down that other road with you.

 

[Stash]

Sory bud, Parcell's was referring to the team

And not pointing a finger at the players like you're trying.

Again, whose name do the won-loss records appear next to?

 

[TwoDeep3]

.... we hate on JG, some more than others. Some even clamored for Jon Gruden. Why? Gruden took a team built by Dungy and staff to 1 SB (the year of the inheritance) then nothing. In fact Gruden, in his career as a HC Gruden's teams were a combined 14 games over .500. Pretty much the same as JG coached teams with 12.

Fact, JG coached teams are 12 games over .500 over the past 8 years as a HC. 10 games over .500 if you throw out 2010. Only a handful of coaches and teams have had a better W/L record over the past seven years. Those teams are NE, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, Seattle, Baltimore, Denver, New Orleans. There are 20 or so teams who have had fewer wins than the Cowboys over those 7 years.

I don't know about the majority of Cowboy fans but that tells me that HC changes rarely change a teams W/L record. If it did, 20 or so teams would have a better W/L record than JG coached teams over the past 7 seasons because most of them have had at least one HC'ing change.

Discuss among yourselves

I am indifferent on Jon Gruden. But when you compare him to The Red Clapper, I will take Gruden every time. Now there are fans here that make an argument about his team was Dungy's team that won and all kinds of ish.

But I will take the word of a player Gruden coached once that has just a little bit of esteem in the league.

Jerry Rice.

"He can be your best friend or your worst enemy," said Hall of Fame receiver Jerry Rice, who played for Gruden in Oakland in 2001. "That's going to keep you on your toes. And maybe that was something that the players, they were lacking this year.

"I hope these players are ready because they're going to get Chucky. They're going to get him ... Chucky's going to come out."

http://www.espn.com/blog/oakland-ra...rudens-chucky-is-coming-for-the-young-raiders

 

[Zman5]

Well from what I know and have read, you're right to an extent. About the first 15-20 plays are scripted prior to the game by both. Practiced during the week by the team. BUT as the game goes along, Linnehan does not run back and forth on the sidelines checking with massa Garrett. The OC either makes adjustments or he doesn't after the script. If the script is successful you may see some repetition. In Linnehans case you will see mostly repetition, successful script or not

I am not talking about just the plays that are called but the whole scheme change. OC doesn't have the authority to just go and change the whole offense on his own without HC approval. Who knows. Maybe Linehan asked for the change and JG turned it down. Either way, it's up to the HC to make the change regardless of who suggested it in the first place.

 

[northerncowboynation]

Sory bud, Parcell's was referring to the team

Now you could say he was holding himself accountable, as he should have. Nothing tells me that JG doesn't. So if he holds himself accountable for the 8-8 seasons. Does he hold himself partially responsible for 12-4, 13-3, 9-7. Notice i left out 3-13, i suppose he was responsible partially for that too. Yah, I know no playoffs, wait 2 in the 12-4 year and a first round bye in the 13-3 year. Yeah not making it this year sort of sucks but in life take the rain with the sun

 

[northerncowboynation]

I am not talking about just the plays that are called but the whole scheme change. OC doesn't have the authority to just go and change the whole offense on his own without HC approval. Who knows. Maybe Linehan asked for the change and JG turned it down. Either way, it's up to the HC to make the change regardless of who suggested it in the first place.

No argument there. Maybe Linnehan did, maybe he didn't. Hardly worthy of argument. So let's say we go 10-6 in 2018. Doable right. Is that change enough? Does it prove anything?

 

[northerncowboynation]

Ok it's been grand folks. Shiningstar and Stasheroo win the prize for picking a new HC in Patricia and Schwartz. The rest of you guys FAIL!!!

 

[Keithfansince5]

Most of us played football, at least up to the HS level, so we know something about the game. I feel like JG has no feel for the game.

JG was brought in as an OC, failed miserably at that with Wade as his HC. When JG got the HC position he was also the OC, he sucked so we got an OC with JG still calling the plays. That didn't work so JG also lost his play calling responsibilities. Man that's 3 strikes already.

I hate his feel for the game (Flow, clock management, play calling and scheme) and how he NEVER takes responsibility for ANYTHING!

When Jerry and Jimmy split, Jerry said "anyone of 500 coaches could coach this team". Well, he is proving himself wrong...again.

Actually Jerry is proving himself right. Anyone can coach this team. Not many can coach it well enough to return this franchise to glory however. Garrett is a bad coach He should get a job behind a computer as his personality fits that better. But, man is he living the life though. Imagine getting paid millions to learn a new gig and prove that you just don't get it enough to actually improve. He is living the dream that is for sure.

 

[Zman5]

No argument there. Maybe Linnehan did, maybe he didn't. Hardly worthy of argument. So let's say we go 10-6 in 2018. Doable right. Is that change enough? Does it prove anything?

It's doable. So is 6-10 with this staff. More than the final record, it's more important to evaluate how we got to that record.

 

[visionary]

We keep records like that for a reason. To be broken. You're absolutely right. The game of football is played on the field, not on paper

So no answer just another mindless Garrett apologist

I thought you wanted facts? NO?

 

[Mountaineerfan]

Didn't want Gruden. JG sucks plain and simple. JG is supposedly a motivational speak, who is clueless about X's and O's; what this team needs is a real football coach and not a guy telling them how good they are when they mess up.

I was told by someone who played with him for several years that he was the smartest guy in the room. I think that is the problem, he thinks he can out 4D chess people but overthinking is worse than under-thinking.