Some insight on 1tech

[Verdict]

I will look forward to the new guys jumping on the Dez and Witten sucks band wagon. There is plenty of room. Jump on. Whip and ride!!

 

[BAT]

so tired of this organization playing guys in the wrong position and then try to pass it off like it's a problem solved. Irving is the starting 3 tech and Collins should be his back up. Tired of all this talk of collins playing the 1 tech. If he was a 1 tech they would have played him there from the ******* start.

Leave him where he's best at and stop trying to bs people about how great he was at the 1 tech. Save it cause I ain't buying it.

ps i ain't talking about the op or any other posts. I'm talking about that damn jones family spewing their bs

Problem is that Datone Jones looks like he's going to be a better 3 tech than Collins too. Cowboys hate to admit when they get it wrong. They all touted that Collins was the 2nd coming of the next great 3 tech under Marinelli. It's BS, he's average or a tick above. And his play at 1 tech is worse. Collins has always struggled at point of attack, which is baffling since he is short (pad level) and stout (over 300 lbs).

 

[BAT]

I like this kid Vea. He looks like Maui from Moana(I have a 7 and 2 year old). Seriously though, like many others I have been screaming for them to put more resources into the DL especially the 1T for a long time. I would be ecstatic if they drafted Vea.

Maui - Hawaii's Superman. RIP Bruddah Iz.

 

[Terrancemcclain]

The biggest issue is 1T plays about 30% of the snaps here.
So you don't want a guy who can only play 1T unless he is a specialist that makes little money and/or costs you a late pick. .
Dallas grabbed Irving off a PS and now you guys love him so please stop friggin crying about DTs...
It literally makes you all sound stupid.
The team has been a top 10 rush defense both of the last two seasons with scribble at 1T.

I'm sorry but I don't think simply quoting

The biggest issue is 1T plays about 30% of the snaps here.
So you don't want a guy who can only play 1T unless he is a specialist that makes little money and/or costs you a late pick. .
Dallas grabbed Irving off a PS and now you guys love him so please stop friggin crying about DTs...
It literally makes you all sound stupid.
The team has been a top 10 rush defense both of the last two seasons with scribble at 1T.

I believe The cowboys run defense ranked sixteenth in yards per carry. Actually going by that metric the cowboys run defense has never ranked in the top ten. This season the cowboys gave up over a hundred yards rushing in eight out of sixteen games and over a hundred and fifty yards rushing four times this season.the cowboys gave up over a hundred yards rushing to the packers ,49ers,Falcons and eagles with I believe David Irving playing the 3tech and maliek Collins playing the 1tech. I'm sure you try to use the excuse that Sean Lee was out but the cowboys also allowed over a hundred yards rushing against the broncos , giants and raiders with Sean Lee playing. The cowboys only allowed a hundred yards rushing once in 2016.probably in part due to Terrell McClain's presence. Are you talking about guys like men bishop rodney poe and Joey ivey because all three of those guys were cut.

Look I get that you like marinelli and dont care for vita vea , but many of us are critical of rod's performance as defensive coorinator and
Feel vea would be a great asset. Please respect others opinion and leave out the personnel attacks . you only lower the quality of this forum when you resort to such antics . thank you

 

[Terrancemcclain]

Marinelli knows what he wants and he's gotten it.
The Dallas rush defense the past two years have finished 1st and 8th.
Arguing they needed to spend an R1 on a 1T is complete nonsense.

The other named guy Marinelli passed on in the draft room was Sharif Floyd.
We ended up with all-pro Travis Frederick and a pick from trading down.
The phrase you are looking for is Thank You Rod.

And then the cowboys drafted Gavin Escobar instead of Bennie Logan in the second round that year. Thanks rod

 

[Undefeated]

He's an article that shows Zack Martin said Collins is a 3 tech
https://www.___GET_REAL_URL___/cowb...-marinelli-zack-martin-demarcus-lawrence/amp/

 

[Stash]

And then the cowboys drafted Gavin Escobar instead of Bennie Logan in the second round that year. Thanks rod

Ahead of Leveon Bell and Travis Kelce at the very same position too!

My stomach gets upset every time I hear either guy's name, which is a lot!

 

[Terrancemcclain]

Ahead of Leveon Bell and Travis Kelce at the very same position too!

My stomach gets upset every time I hear either guy's name, which is a lot!

I would add Eddie lacy but his career didn' really pan out.I think Escobar averaged around four catches a season during his time with the cowboys. I hope someone in the cowboys front office still loses sleep at night over that pick.arguably one of the worst draft picks in cowboys history

 

[Stash]

I would add Eddie lacy but his career didn' really pan out.I think Escobar averaged around four catches a season during his time with the cowboys. I hope someone in the cowboys front office still loses sleep at night over that pick.arguably one of the worst draft picks in cowboys history

More than sleep, I hope someone lost a job.

 

[Terrancemcclain]

More than sleep, I hope someone lost a job.

Actually ,I meant that as a shot at jerry since it is said that he chooses who to pick in the second round. Jerry seems like a really likable guy but not a very good gm.there are a ot of good DTS projected to be drafted in the later rounds if Payne and vea are gone by the time the cowboys pick. Derrick nnadi, Poona ford,
Bj hill, Lowell lotuieliu , Harrison Phillips , Tim settle ,that kid from Miami. There is no real excuse for rod to continue to neglect the one tech position

 

[Nightman]

I respectfully disagree. If this defense has Snacks Harrison, or Poe, or a Suh (who isn't insane) how much better would it be?

Are you joking? Those guys are beasts and would help ANY D immensely

 

[xwalker]

Problem is that Datone Jones looks like he's going to be a better 3 tech than Collins too. Cowboys hate to admit when they get it wrong. They all touted that Collins was the 2nd coming of the next great 3 tech under Marinelli. It's BS, he's average or a tick above. And his play at 1 tech is worse. Collins has always struggled at point of attack, which is baffling since he is short (pad level) and stout (over 300 lbs).

Datone Jones played more 1tech than 3tech.

 

[kiheikiwi]

Problem is that Datone Jones looks like he's going to be a better 3 tech than Collins too. Cowboys hate to admit when they get it wrong. They all touted that Collins was the 2nd coming of the next great 3 tech under Marinelli. It's BS, he's average or a tick above. And his play at 1 tech is worse. Collins has always struggled at point of attack, which is baffling since he is short (pad level) and stout (over 300 lbs).

I dont see this at all Bat, I want to believe that Dallas got caught with their pants down when the injuries at the 1-tech happened, and Collins was forced into that roll. Add in his second straight year with a broken bone in his foot (just had surgery), and playing out of position. He is a 3-tech. Not a 1, put a talented 1 next to him and he will be above average.
And for a 4th rounder, thats all you can ask for.

 

[BAT]

I dont see this at all Bat, I want to believe that Dallas got caught with their pants down when the injuries at the 1-tech happened, and Collins was forced into that roll. Add in his second straight year with a broken bone in his foot (just had surgery), and playing out of position. He is a 3-tech. Not a 1, put a talented 1 next to him and he will be above average.
And for a 4th rounder, thats all you can ask for.

I agree that he's a natural 3tech. But average to above average 3tech is not going to cut it for a Marinelli D. The 3tech needs to be the War Daddy to make this D hum and compete in postseason. I just do not see that in Collins. He is 3-6 sack game guy over a regular season. The repeated feet problems just add to my concerns.

Good rotation guy but I think Datone beats him out to back up Irving (who is just head and shoulders more talented, more disruptive, more catalytic, more productive).

 

[Nightman]

I agree that he's a natural 3tech. But average to above average 3tech is not going to cut it for a Marinelli D. The 3tech needs to be the War Daddy to make this D hum and compete in postseason. I just do not see that in Collins. He is 3-6 sack game guy over a regular season. The repeated feet problems just add to my concerns.

Good rotation guy but I think Datone beats him out to back up Irving (who is just head and shoulders more talented, more disruptive, more catalytic, more productive).

Irving also got repeatedly blown out against PHI as the DT on all those Trap plays

Irving is best at a penetrating 3T or as a SDE.......just like DJones, TCrawford and MCollins(not DE)

 

[BAT]

Irving also got repeatedly blown out against PHI as the DT on all those Trap plays

Irving is best at a penetrating 3T or as a SDE.......just like DJones, TCrawford and MCollins(not DE)

Agreed. Irving is not a 1Tech.

 

[Portnoy1]

The 1T position is my biggest gripe against Marinelli and wanting him gone, aside from his lack of creativity.
The cowboys have made poor moves and dug themselves a hole all due to not valuing that position. Think about it for a second if the cowboys had drafted a legit 315lb+ NT back in 15' then what's the result?

Tyrone Crawford is more productive inside and is able to make more plays and be healthy and we're not complaining about his contract

David Irving isn't being taken advantage of in the run game cause he'd be primarily a pass rusher only.

Maliek Collins may not even be drafted.

 

[Terrancemcclain]

The 1T position is my biggest gripe against Marinelli and wanting him gone, aside from his lack of creativity.
The cowboys have made poor moves and dug themselves a hole all due to not valuing that position. Think about it for a second if the cowboys had drafted a legit 315lb+ NT back in 15' then what's the result?

Tyrone Crawford is more productive inside and is able to make more plays and be healthy and we're not complaining about his contract

David Irving isn't being taken advantage of in the run game cause he'd be primarily a pass rusher only.

Maliek Collins may not even be drafted.

I believe Johnathan hankins and Eddie Goldman both had six sacks during their rookie years so that should dispel the idea those guys wouldn' t help generate a pass rush.I wonder if that guy eduncan from the Dallas cowboys forum will ever find his way over here. I remember he Hated marinelli

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I believe Johnathan hankins and Eddie Goldman both had six sacks during their rookie years so that should dispel the idea those guys wouldn' t help generate a pass rush.I wonder if that guy eduncan from the Dallas cowboys forum will ever find his way over here. I remember he Hated marinelli

Haskins had 0 and Gouldman had 4.5

 

[CCBoy]

The 1T position is my biggest gripe against Marinelli and wanting him gone, aside from his lack of creativity.
The cowboys have made poor moves and dug themselves a hole all due to not valuing that position. Think about it for a second if the cowboys had drafted a legit 315lb+ NT back in 15' then what's the result?

Tyrone Crawford is more productive inside and is able to make more plays and be healthy and we're not complaining about his contract

David Irving isn't being taken advantage of in the run game cause he'd be primarily a pass rusher only.

Maliek Collins may not even be drafted.

Some questions on best use and rotation...agreed.