A reminder that Dak can play QB

[CATCH17]

Go watch him throw the ball on the Jacksonville Defense from early december. He looks better than all of them with inferior talent against the leagues best defense.

I admit i'm impressed with the very little I've seen from Jimmy G.

You can tell he's played with Brady because his pocket presence is somewhat similar even though he's smaller in stature.


He also lucked out by playing with Shannahan. Shannahan is a great offensive mind. Probably the best in the NFL.

 

[Section446]

No, he can't, we'll be drafting a new QB next year.

 

[condoin125]

I think maybe you just don’t like Prescott. His ceiling was his rookie year?

And I just watched them throw. Is it because they have a prettier spiral that you think they’re that much better? I don’t get it

This is what I'm talking about....Dak fans are so blind they assume we have to dislike the guy if we see issues with his game.

 

[condoin125]

I would say Dak elevated Beasley and even Jason Witten.

Where we have taken a hit is our guys out wide at the X and Z.

Dez Bryant is a shell and Terrence Williams has always been a solid #2 statistically and now he can't even sniff pay dirt.

With that said.. Upgrade in the worst way? REally?

I don't think you're grading Dak on the same scale as these other QB's. He could be more of a playmaker at times but again this is a 2nd year player and hes having one of the best starts in NFL history at the hardest position in football to find but yet we need to upgrade?

Yes, not because he's the worst in the league or anything....because we're just spinning our wheels with him wasting the prime years of this OL. Dez and Twill are fine....their numbers would have been much better with a better QB playing the position.

 

[CATCH17]

Yes they throw better ball's and look like nfl level passers.

Somehow someway he will have everything dumped on him to fix during games and he is not equipped to handle that.

Hire a new staff in a year with a different approach and my opinion could change. Right now this is my opinion, he is a good player who is a complimentary piece but will never throw the football on the level of the upper end qb's.

I agree but how many QB's are getting better results then Dak is getting?
13-3 & 9-7.

They didn't make the move for Wentz. That is what will hurt them.

They can still play at a very high level with Dak though. It's just going to take us being a better all around team. We will need a AFC north brand of football. A seahawk brand of football.

 

[pitt33]

I can name five I would take over our current signal caller:

1. Wentz

2. Goff

3. Garoppolo

4. Watson

5. Carr

 

[jjktkk]

Definitely not writing Dak off. He struggled this past year. A lot of reasons could contributed to his struggles, but year 3 should really tell us if 2017 what type of QB Dak is.

 

[CATCH17]

Yes, not because he's the worst in the league or anything....because we're just spinning our wheels with him wasting the prime years of this OL. Dez and Twill are fine....their numbers would have been much better with a better QB playing the position.

I don't think we're wasting the OL at all with Dak.

WR's I do think we are wasting and it's pointless to waste resources on them with Dak.

Start getting guys like the Doug Baldwins of the world in Seattle that don't cost a fortune.

OL and TE is where we need to continue to pump our resources offensively.

 

[theebs]

I agree but how many QB's are and even the ones that are aren't getting much different results then Dak is getting.

13-3 & 9-7.

They didn't make the move for Wentz. That is what will hurt them.

They can still play at a very high level with Dak though. It's just going to take us being a better all around team. We will need a AFC north brand of football. A seahawk brand of football.

agreed on that. The problem with that brand of football is that this city doesnt like it and the fan base nationally doesn't. Everything runs off the offense here. We don't play outside in the elements like the afc north and seahawks do either.

I expect nothing to change.

 

[pitt33]

If that guy turns out good I will be shocked.

Me too.

 

[armadillooutlaw]

Yes, not because he's the worst in the league or anything....because we're just spinning our wheels with him wasting the prime years of this OL. Dez and Twill are fine....their numbers would have been much better with a better QB playing the position.

I'm cautiously optimistic about Dak. I think he is a good QB and some of his issues can be improved with proper coaching. However, I'd like to sign a veteran QB (Bradford, Foles type) in case he struggles next season.
If he does struggle, then i would look to be very aggressive next offseason to upgrade the position.
I've seen him play at a very high level, and very poorly. We'll see which is the real Dak in 2018.

 

[bayeslife]

This is what I'm talking about....Dak fans are so blind they assume we have to dislike the guy if we see issues with his game.

Ok man whatever but I’m just calling it how I see it. Theebs is out here making claims that his rookie year was the ceiling and thinks other QBs are better because they have a nicer spiral and then says “NFL level throws” without explaining what he means by that.

Everyone was fawning over Carr just a year ago and now look at him with basically the same team. Does Carr suck now? Has he hit his ceiling? Can he not make those NFL throws? Well theebs would say he can because the ball looks pretty coming out his hand.

It’s cognitive dissonance. Holding Prescott to these standards but then not exercising those same rules on other QBs.

 

[Proof]

No different than you pulling out a handful of highlight plays and acting like they alone prove that Dak is a franchise QB. Watch Wentz and Goff play the position compared to him....THOSE are what franchise QBs look like. THOSE are the guys that can become better with some coaching and lots of time spent working on their mechanics/reads. Dak looks nothing like them while playing the position and is far behind them in terms of growth. Saying coaching will make him a franchise QB is asking for a miracle. You have Dak supporters in this thread actually quoting base completion percentage as if that proves that Dak is far more accurate than Wentz, who slings the ball all over the field regularly instead of checking down every single play. What's even worse is the Dak supporters telling themselves that all of the Dak hate is only due to people not letting go of you know who, instead of facing the reality that they don't know how to evaluate an NFL QB even at the most basic level.

He's only behind them in terms of growth, because he looked so much better than both of them in year one. He set the bar high last year which was going to be difficult to duplicate, and on top of it everything went wrong this year, and he looked bad. It happens. But both Goff and Wentz look so much better this year because of how badly both of them looked last year, and the infusion of talent the Eagles got, and the new coaching/scheme the Rams got. Wentz looked phenomenal this year, Goff elevated his play by leaps and bounds too.... Dak got sacked 6 times by a journeyman and lost his way. Lets reconvene next year.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Some have had it against him since last year when he replaced Romo and have been waiting to jump on him. I'm concerned with the way he ended the season but I'm willing to see what he does next year.

 

[CATCH17]

Ok man whatever but I’m just calling it how I see it. Theebs is out here making claims that his rookie year was the ceiling and thinks other QBs are better because they have a nicer spiral and then says “NFL level throws” without explaining what he means by that.

Everyone was fawning over Carr just a year ago and now look at him with basically the same team. Does Carr suck now? Has he hit his ceiling? Can he not make those NFL throws? Well theebs would say he can because the ball looks pretty coming out his hand.

It’s cognitive dissonance. Holding Prescott to these standards but then not exercising those same rules on other QBs.

Well said.

 

[theebs]

I admit i'm impressed with the very little I've seen from Jimmy G.

You can tell he's played with Brady because his pocket presence is somewhat similar even though he's smaller in stature.


He also lucked out by playing with Shannahan. Shannahan is a great offensive mind. Probably the best in the NFL.

that is the key. Hearing Romo say when calling the niners game this year that this is a top offensive system in the league killed me.

They could have hired mike in 09 which in turn would mean romo and the offense would have played in this system and also Kyle could have just succeeded his father.

oh well.

 

[Kaiser]

I think Dak is better then Wilson at the same stage of their career too and they are very similar players but i'll choose Wilson because there is a little more information on him..

I agree and the main attribute Dak has is intelligence. He will only get better.

I posted this in another thread but Drew Brees didn't play at all as a rookie, then in his second season as as starter he went 2-9 with a QB rating a 67. A sophmore slump is pretty common, especially in a season where we had as many problems as this one.

 

[theebs]

Ok man whatever but I’m just calling it how I see it. Theebs is out here making claims that his rookie year was the ceiling and thinks other QBs are better because they have a nicer spiral and then says “NFL level throws” without explaining what he means by that.

Everyone was fawning over Carr just a year ago and now look at him with basically the same team. Does Carr suck now? Has he hit his ceiling? Can he not make those NFL throws? Well theebs would say he can because the ball looks pretty coming out his hand.

It’s cognitive dissonance. Holding Prescott to these standards but then not exercising those same rules on other QBs.

Umm, I am not just talking about throwing spirals. I am talking about throwing catchable balls a nice catchable ball. In rhythm and on time.

I think that is where he is not very good. he seemingly throws late, is not confident where he is throwing and is wildly inaccurate.

I wasn't just talking about throwing spirals and thats foolish to even say.

The interception vs oakland. He led Dez into trouble and if bryant keeps going forward for the ball where it was thrown he is going to get killed. Dak did this kind of thing repeatedly this year. he almost got dez killed weekly, witten and beasley repeatedly also.

Nfl level throws does not mean the ball spiraling.

 

[theebs]

Well said.

You think that was well said?

 

[pitt33]

Definitely not writing Dak off. He struggled this past year. A lot of reasons could contributed to his struggles, but year 3 should really tell us if 2017 what type of QB Dak is.

Year three is monumental in whether a player has it or not. Coach Landry lived by that philosophy.

Not just quarterbacks, but all players.