Zeke or Jalen Ramsey 2 years later

[LatinMind]

Ramsey was the right call at the time, no doubt about it. We got lucky with the DBs, sort of, this season, but should never have been in a position where 4 starters walked and we had to replace them all in one draft. That's just bad team management, and would have been worse had Anthony Brown not panned out as a 6th rounder that same year. Can you imagine?

Plus, Zeke plays a position that can readily be filled in rounds 2-4. And he was known to have character questions coming out, which did in fact bite us. I'm not absolving Goodell for that witch hunt, but Elliott had no business being in that situation to begin with.

Too many people wouldve been crying their hearts about another top pick bust by now. The way Marinelli plays his CBs are to this guys weakness.

2016 Jags DL was pretty much what Dallas has right now. Decent passrush but nothing special. And Ramsey was ok but not in Elliots class in terms of Impact for the team. 2017 Jags went out and signed players and ended up with 4 DL that had 8 sacks or more. Thats why Ramsey is what he is now. The DL.

Jalen Ramsey rookie yr
16 starts 65 tackles 2 int 14pdef

Jourdan Lewis rookie yr
7 starts 54 tackles 1int 10pdef

Talking bout you can find a RB to do what Elliot does in round 2-4, which i doubt Elliot changes the game. Dallas found what Ramsey did his rookie yr in the 3rd and did it with 7 starts.

 

[Hadenough]

It's been 2 full seasons (minus a bogus 6 game suspension)! Zeke won a rushing title his rookie year and probably would've won a second consecutive rushing title had he not served a 6 game suspension in the middle of the season.

Jalen Ramsey is considered to be a top corner in the National Football League and typically covers the #1 WR on the opposing team.

The Cowboys had an opportunity to draft either player 2 years ago and selected Zeke. At the time I really wanted Jalen Ramsey; however, I'm a bit torn now. I think Zeke is extremely important to this team (probably more important than most people think). With the emergence of Chidobe Awuzie, Jourdan Lewis, and Anthony Brown - I feel pretty 'ok' with our secondary, but Ramsey/Awuzie/Lewis & possibly Brown would be stellar in my opinion.

What are your thoughts?

A shut down corner is much harder to find then a top RB. That being said I dont think Ramsey would be producing in Dallas like he is in Jacksonville. Marinelli would be playing him in a zone defensive scheme. All we would hear from the coaching staff is how he needs more time to develop before they let him play man to man. Or it would be he hasnt learned Marinellis system yet. He would be a Jag in Dallas and the fans would call him a bust. Zeke is probably the better pick because he takes less to develop and can play right away!

 

[Frozen700]

If they did not go and get Lewis. I'd be feeling like **** about Ramsey over Zeke.

Overall I'd def take Ramsey over Zeke

 

[Nightman]

Jalen ramsey and it's not even close. If we had ramsey this season and a servicable RB like Morris we are playing this coming weekend. Ramsey sets an attitude for a defense for a decade. Think Woodson... Charles that is. Think Deion. Think guys who spent a decade being physical, big, confident... he's changed the entire shape of the Jaguars organization.

That is ridiculous......they still stunk last year with Rmasey

This year they added Fournette, lost their 2 best WRs and still had a better year

I know Deion Sanders and Jalen Ramsey is no Deion Sanders......JAX had 42 pts dropped on them last week and gave up 3 Fourth down bombs for TDs

 

[GORICO]

It's been 2 full seasons (minus a bogus 6 game suspension)! Zeke won a rushing title his rookie year and probably would've won a second consecutive rushing title had he not served a 6 game suspension in the middle of the season.

Jalen Ramsey is considered to be a top corner in the National Football League and typically covers the #1 WR on the opposing team.

The Cowboys had an opportunity to draft either player 2 years ago and selected Zeke. At the time I really wanted Jalen Ramsey; however, I'm a bit torn now. I think Zeke is extremely important to this team (probably more important than most people think). With the emergence of Chidobe Awuzie, Jourdan Lewis, and Anthony Brown - I feel pretty 'ok' with our secondary, but Ramsey/Awuzie/Lewis & possibly Brown would be stellar in my opinion.

What are your thoughts?

ultron---- dang bro...you popped one...over 500 replies....still would rather have Zeke....unless he screws up again

 

[Sydla]

That is ridiculous......they still stunk last year with Rmasey

This year they added Fournette, lost their 2 best WRs and still had a better year

I know Deion Sanders and Jalen Ramsey is no Deion Sanders......JAX had 42 pts dropped on them last week and gave up 3 Fourth down bombs for TDs

To suggest that adding a Top 5 RB in the draft was the difference is being a bit disingenuous.

They were better not solely because of who was playing TB but rather, because they finally fixed their coaching staff and brought in a real football mind in Coughlin to oversee operations along with finally using some of their FA money to land some impact players.

So there was a crap ton more to their success than Leonard Fournette.

 

[GORICO]

That is ridiculous......they still stunk last year with Rmasey

This year they added Fournette, lost their 2 best WRs and still had a better year

I know Deion Sanders and Jalen Ramsey is no Deion Sanders......JAX had 42 pts dropped on them last week and gave up 3 Fourth down bombs for TDs

nightman...yes that 42 from Pitt worries me...cause i love anyone who beats the Pats...i just hope they get to Brady a lot and knock him around hard

 

[Nightman]

So there was a crap ton more to their success than Leonard Fournette.

Not really but if I give you CCampbell then Ramsey wasn't the 'man' until he got a pass rush.....that is not a shutdown CB

 

[Nightman]

nightman...yes that 42 from Pitt worries me...cause i love anyone who beats the Pats...i just hope they get to Brady a lot and knock him around hard

Hitting Brady hard and often is the key to beating NE

Getting pressure without blitzing is how BAL and ATL got to him....... Brady hates getting hit

 

[GORICO]

Hitting Brady hard and often is the key to beating NE

Getting pressure without blitzing is how BAL and ATL got to him....... Brady hates getting hit

yeah...if they can penetrate up the middle..Brady goes down easy...i think Jag backfield can match up really well against Pats too...i just hope Jags QB can step up his game a bit more

 

[Sydla]

Not really but if I give you CCampbell then Ramsey wasn't the 'man' until he got a pass rush.....that is not a shutdown CB

Not really?

Are you really arguing that the reason the Jags went 10-6 is mostly due to Leonard Fournette?

 

[Nightman]

Not really?

Are you really arguing that the reason the Jags went 10-6 is mostly due to Leonard Fournette?

Duh..... he took the pressure off of Bortles.......scored TDs and helped them play from the lead which turned their D loose

 

[Sydla]

Duh..... he took the pressure off of Bortles.......scored TDs and helped them play from the lead which turned their D loose

No offense, but that's insane

The biggest reason for their turnaround was a competent coaching staff with Marrone in charge.

If you look at Bortles, there wasn't that huge a transformation from him. He was a 78 rated QB in 2016 and improved to 84, hardly a huge jump. And while running for 1000 yards, Fournette averaged less than 4 yards a carry, that would rank him outside the Top 20 amongst TBs with at least 100 carries.

And while the offense improved by about 6 points per game, the defense actually improved by 9 points per game.

 

[Supercowboy1986]

It's not that insane.

Marrone himself said he'd prefer that bortles never pass the ball.

http://www.espn.com/blog/jacksonvil...-more-than-tom-brady-aaron-rodgers-dan-marino

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Jacksonville Jaguarscoach Doug Marrone has a number in mind for how many passes he wants quarterback Blake Bortles throwing each week.

Zero.

"For me, I like to run the ball every play," Marrone said. "I want to go back to the old way. I want to change the game."

Fournette was/is huge for that offense.

No offense, but that's insane

The biggest reason for their turnaround was a competent coaching staff with Marrone in charge.

If you look at Bortles, there wasn't that huge a transformation from him. He was a 78 rated QB in 2016 and improved to 84, hardly a huge jump. And while running for 1000 yards, Fournette averaged less than 4 yards a carry, that would rank him outside the Top 20 amongst TBs with at least 100 carries.

And while the offense improved by about 6 points per game, the defense actually improved by 9 points per game.

 

[Nightman]

No offense, but that's insane

The biggest reason for their turnaround was a competent coaching staff with Marrone in charge.

If you look at Bortles, there wasn't that huge a transformation from him. He was a 78 rated QB in 2016 and improved to 84, hardly a huge jump. And while running for 1000 yards, Fournette averaged less than 4 yards a carry, that would rank him outside the Top 20 amongst TBs with at least 100 carries.

And while the offense improved by about 6 points per game, the defense actually improved by 9 points per game.

Sure it was coaching

They added over 700 yards rushing and 10 TDs..... that is the difference in winning and losing and Bortles didn't feel like he had to force every pass for a TD

 

[Sydla]

It's not that insane.

Marrone himself said he'd prefer that bortles never pass the ball.

http://www.espn.com/blog/jacksonvil...-more-than-tom-brady-aaron-rodgers-dan-marino

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Jacksonville Jaguarscoach Doug Marrone has a number in mind for how many passes he wants quarterback Blake Bortles throwing each week.

Zero.

"For me, I like to run the ball every play," Marrone said. "I want to go back to the old way. I want to change the game."

Fournette was/is huge for that offense.

Which proves nothing.

Frankly, it proves the Jags finally have a competent head coach, which IMO, is why they are where they are, not because of Leonard Fournette.

 

[Supercowboy1986]

Sure it proves nothing

Which proves nothing.

Frankly, it proves the Jags finally have a competent head coach, which IMO, is why they are where they are, not because of Leonard Fournette.

 

[Nightman]

It's not that insane.

Marrone himself said he'd prefer that bortles never pass the ball.

http://www.espn.com/blog/jacksonvil...-more-than-tom-brady-aaron-rodgers-dan-marino

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Jacksonville Jaguarscoach Doug Marrone has a number in mind for how many passes he wants quarterback Blake Bortles throwing each week.

Zero.

"For me, I like to run the ball every play," Marrone said. "I want to go back to the old way. I want to change the game."

Fournette was/is huge for that offense.

Exactly....you don't get sacks and turnovers from your D when you are always losing.......teams run it more and play it safe

Playing from the lead allowed JAX to turn its D loose and it got 20 more sacks
Bortles was sacked 10 times less and had 3 less INTS without ARobinson and AHurns

 

[Nightman]

Which proves nothing.

Frankly, it proves the Jags finally have a competent head coach, which IMO, is why they are where they are, not because of Leonard Fournette.

Yeah Coughlin was a beast out there at LDE.... what did he have 10 sacks????

 

[Sydla]

Sure it was coaching

They added over 700 yards rushing and 10 TDs..... that is the difference in winning and losing and Bortles didn't feel like he had to force every pass for a TD

I'll put in another way.

There isn't a frog's chance in hell that the Jags are 10-6 with Gus Bradley as their head coach this year. Even with the all awesome Leonard Fournette.

Marrone is the biggest reason for the turnaround and trying to argue Fournette is silly but I guess predictable when one is trying to argue a TB is more important than a CB.

PS - They added 700 yards rushing because they simply ran the ball more. In 2016, they averaged 4.2 ypc, in 2017, 4.3 ypc. Hardly a massive jump. Running the ball more, making a commitment to run the ball more is a coaching move more than anything else.