Dak haters face facts and take a beating

[Cowpolk]

How many of those clanged off a receiver's hands?

How many were thrown into the hands of a defender that Dez could not cover Dez played pirdy good defense this season

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Lets just deal in facts so that we look at reality and not Romo cry baby fantasy:

These were the Daks stats in 2016 his rookie year. Not only did he win rookie of the year, but it was the 2nd best QB rookie season in NFL history. In short, its about as good as it ever gets for a QB:

2016: 3667 passing yards, 23 TD's and 4 picks, 68 % completion percentage and 104.9 QBR
282 yards rushing and 6 rushing TD's

Totally and completely off the charts.

2017 first 8 games of the season before Zeke suspension and Tyrone Smith injury:

2017: 1818 passing yards, 16 TD's and 5 picks, 102.85 QBR
195 rushing yards and 4 rushing TD's

If you double those totals for the first 8 games he was on pace for these numbers:
2017: 3636 passing yards, 32 TD's, 8 picks
390 rushing yards and 8 rushing TD's, 102.85 QBR

Those stats are almost identical, and you could argue even better than his rookie year. Passing TD's are on pace for 32 instead of 23. Rushing yards and TD's going up also. So he was on pace for improvement his 2nd year.

We all know what happened the last 8 games. Now can any of the Dak haters think of anything that changed starting with the Atlanta game that might have made a major impact on Dak's ability to do his job properly?

So when the facts are shown above they speak of a much different story then the one being told by the Romo cry babies. Dak is one hell of a QB and is all the way a franchise QB. Sure back up the Oline and Zeke will be back and there should be no reason why he isnt right back to continuing to improve.

Dak will be benched by week 10 come next season bet on it!
Stats that have dink and dunk passes are nice but they don't win games or throw accurate passes.Dak is not i repeat is not qualified to be a Franchise QB on any NFL team. Save this post as it will be proven correct come next season!

P.S. May i eat crow on the above as a Boys fan above and beyond any player but i highly doubt Dak will prove me wrong....

 

[Aviano90]

Dak will be benched by week 10 come next season bet on it!
Stats that have dink and dunk passes are nice but they don't win games or throw accurate passes.Dak is not i repeat is not qualified to be a Franchise QB on any NFL team. Save this post as it will be proven correct come next season!

P.S. May i eat crow on the above as a Boys fan above and beyond any player but i highly doubt Dak will prove me wrong....

Didn’t you make similar predictions in 2016 & 2017 on the DC.com boards?

 

[JustChip]

Been reading this board for a while and all of Romo's biggest critics , I.E. CowboyRoy and others , now seem to make Dak out to be the second coming when an unbiased fan would tell you that Dak is the definition of an average, journeyman QB in this league.

Look around the league. The bench is full of "Dak Prescotts " that had a lighnitnig in a bottle type of year.

Foles once threw for 30 something TD's and 2 picks in a season..


The argument is getting old to be honest.

Dak is what he is.

As CowboyRoy said , our best chance of winning is if we put the game in Zeke's hands..

That should tell you everything you need to know about Dak Prescott..

There is obviously 2 polar opposite camps of fans here: 1) Dak is one of the greatest Cowboys QBs ever and destined for the HoF, and 2) Dak is the worst Cowboys QB ever and is a bust. The reality is Dak is somewhere in between.

You're correct in that Dak is what he is, but that's not necessarily what he can BECOME. Dak was a 4th round project QB that was 3rd on the depth chart when circumstances forced him into the starting role. I guarantee the Cowboys didn't want him in that role in 2016. All "projects", be they QB or other players, need time to develop, hence, they're labeled a project. All players need time to develop, but it's given the "project" players truly need more time (Rico Gathers is another project player). Dak is 2 years into his project. I don't know how the project will conclude - I've seen enough to be hopeful, and I've seen enough to be concerned. Time will tell.

And you are absolutely correct about the lightening in a bottle. I've said that repeatedly about teams. Carolina goes 15-1 and makes it to the Super Bowl, but then the next year is 6-10 (I believe) and missed the playoffs. That's what the Cowboys did in 2014 and 2016. Look at the Eagles and Jags this year. Time will tell if they simply caught lightening in a bottle or will be a force for several years to come.

IMO, Dak and the Cowboys in 2016 might have been the worst scenario for the long-term success of the team. It set unrealistic expectations for Dak and, by extension, the team. But I loved it and would take it all over again.

 

[JBond]

Dak is good now. The scary thing for the league is he could get better.

Shore up some depth on the o-line, get Tyron a good doctor, and add a weapon or two in the TE/Receiver group and this offense will be top three. Book it.

We have the picks and the cap space to get this done.

We don't have the front office or coaching to get it done. Dak was good as long as all the stars align. If anything is off, so is Dak. I hope he can grow and become special. I really don't want the parade of morons we had following Aikman.

 

[Darthkuriboh]

So you are saying that he really got going during crunch time in the 2nd half? Got it!!

300 yards and 3 TD's. Good thing we didnt ask him to win the game.

We didn't win the game.

 

[Darthkuriboh]

There is obviously 2 polar opposite camps of fans here: 1) Dak is one of the greatest Cowboys QBs ever and destined for the HoF, and 2) Dak is the worst Cowboys QB ever and is a bust. The reality is Dak is somewhere in between.

You're correct in that Dak is what he is, but that's not necessarily what he can BECOME. Dak was a 4th round project QB that was 3rd on the depth chart when circumstances forced him into the starting role. I guarantee the Cowboys didn't want him in that role in 2016. All "projects", be they QB or other players, need time to develop, hence, they're labeled a project. All players need time to develop, but it's given the "project" players truly need more time (Rico Gathers is another project player). Dak is 2 years into his project. I don't know how the project will conclude - I've seen enough to be hopeful, and I've seen enough to be concerned. Time will tell.

And you are absolutely correct about the lightening in a bottle. I've said that repeatedly about teams. Carolina goes 15-1 and makes it to the Super Bowl, but then the next year is 6-10 (I believe) and missed the playoffs. That's what the Cowboys did in 2014 and 2016. Look at the Eagles and Jags this year. Time will tell if they simply caught lightening in a bottle or will be a force for several years to come.

IMO, Dak and the Cowboys in 2016 might have been the worst scenario for the long-term success of the team. It set unrealistic expectations for Dak and, by extension, the team. But I loved it and would take it all over again.

Yeah this is a weird situation. I don't believe Dak is a franchise QB in the NFL. He doesn't have the arm or accuracy. I also don't believe he's the worst Cowboys QB ever. I remember Quincy Carter and Chad Hutchenson. Ryan Leaf. Randall Cunningham. Brad Johnson. Kyle Orton. We've had some REALLY mediocre-bad QB's that were far worse than Dak.

 

[buybuydandavis]

We all know what happened the last 8 games. Now can any of the Dak haters think of anything that changed starting with the Atlanta game that might have made a major impact on Dak's ability to do his job properly?

Nate Newton said a few times that you just don't let a young QB get shellacked from his blind side all day in a game. It will affect his play going forward. It does look like that's how the season played out. However you want to complain about the oline after that point, Dak was just missing guys too.

 

[Blue&Silver]

So… Folks making this argument would rather have Mr. Prescott over a young Tony Romo?

Using the criteria here and applying it to the Eagles you could make a case Nick Foles is better than McNabb.

I'm in line with the rest of the league's general managers, scouts, and folks that really know football in regards to Prescott. I feel he's a good spot starter and a premium backup in the league, but he's always going to be a system guy that will never carry a team to a championship.

That's okay. I'm so glad we picked him, and I've been pleasantly surprised. He's exceeded all my expectations. I just hope the brain trust doesn't pass on a guy with franchise potential thinking Prescott is that guy. This team would have been on a path to a championship if Jerry didn't miscalculate on Tony Romo's health and pass on Wentz, or Goff.

 

[Donut]

Dak had a remarkable Rookie season which gave us hope for the upcoming era.

His sophomore season wasn’t as convincing but we saw enough from last year to continue on.

But for the sake of argument if we’re basing our evaluations on this season alone would we be as sold ? Seems like a fair question.

And I wasn’t a Romo homer. I criticised him as well while giving him props when deserved.

It’s a shame we can’t call out players and their performance in some situations without being labeled a hater. Call me a critic if you like . I like Dak. Was extremely excited riding the winning wave but after this year I have some concerns with some of his weaknesses that were more exposed for whatever reason.

As usual winning cures many ills and if we can get back on the winning wave his weaknesses won’t be as glaring.

Very true Greg. Same for Garrett. If he can completely stay out of the picture and we start winning again he won't suck as bad lol. Is that you in that picture or a relative? have an idea..

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

My takeaway here:

As long as everyone on the offense stays healthy, we don't face any competition and don't ask Dak to win any games for us, he'll have excellent numbers?

Okay, cool.

Are you describing Romo or Dak?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

So… Folks making this argument would rather have Mr. Prescott over a young Tony Romo?

Using the criteria here and applying it to the Eagles you could make a case Nick Foles is better than McNabb.

I'm in line with the rest of the league's general managers, scouts, and folks that really know football in regards to Prescott. I feel he's a good spot starter and a premium backup in the league, but he's always going to be a system guy that will never carry a team to a championship.

That's okay. I'm so glad we picked him, and I've been pleasantly surprised. He's exceeded all my expectations. I just hope the brain trust doesn't pass on a guy with franchise potential thinking Prescott is that guy. This team would have been on a path to a championship if Jerry didn't miscalculate on Tony Romo's health and pass on Wentz, or Goff.

The GMs in this league are the reason Antonio Brown was a 6th round pick. I wouldn't use them as your source for how good a player is. As a matter of fact...the best players in this league weren't even top 10 picks so what is happening to all those highly sought players every year who go early and never are heard from again?

 

[SultanOfSix]

I'm concerned with Dak. His accuracy and mechanics were bad this year when he was off. This needs to be remedied ASAP. He also got a little too uptight in the pocket when the pressure wasn't there because of previous instances of it. To be a great QB you have to have almost a sixth sense about pressure and can't worry about non-existent pressure as a QB. Also, he didn't see the open receiver when he's open by NFL standards, which is different than being open by a yard or two. The latter is expected of a young QB due to the upgrade in the speed of the game so it's a little less disconcerting because he can still get better at that.

At the same time, Jason Garrett does nothing for him. His predictable offense with long developing pass plays - and thus receivers who can't get open - will get a QB killed. He's a weasel who shifts blame and sucks, and his suckiness (along with a bad defense) hamstrung a potential HOF QB with a potential wasted career.

 

[1972COWBOY]

Dak will be benched by week 10 come next season bet on it!
Stats that have dink and dunk passes are nice but they don't win games or throw accurate passes.Dak is not i repeat is not qualified to be a Franchise QB on any NFL team. Save this post as it will be proven correct come next season!

P.S. May i eat crow on the above as a Boys fan above and beyond any player but i highly doubt Dak will prove me wrong....

^ This.

Daks throws are wobbly and off the mark. He has no consistent long passing ability or stats for that matter. Cowboys can do good but not be the best relying on dinky little passes the entire game. Some of the trick running plays are best in the league though.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Unless Dak gets hurt he's our QB all of next year. Bet on it. The coaches wouldn't even play Rush in a meaningless game against Eagles backups.

 

[nightrain]

If Garrett and Linehan continue to make Dak fit the slot in their scheme, the results will be disappointing. It's disheartening how the Cowboys front office won't put the arm on Garrett and let him know he needs to get better results from the assets the organization has put on the field.

Garrett, as critiqued by NFL analysts, is notably considered among the less innovative coaches in the league, mostly drawing comparisons to Marvin Lewis. Dak is most definitely not a pocket thrower and his game exposes that fact. If the coaching staff does not put a revamped passing game on the field in 2018, it is going to be another disappointing season.

The final analysis here is how do you judge Dak when the team that drafted him doesn't craft a passing game that utilizes his most obvious strengths? We will never know how good the guy is if he is not put in a position to succeed.

 

[Diehardblues]

Very true Greg. Same for Garrett. If he can completely stay out of the picture and we start winning again he won't suck as bad lol. Is that you in that picture or a relative? have an idea..

Thanks Don and that’s my father.

 

[irishline]

He's a superstar - as you see on the endorsements. They don't let Case Keenum do those for a reason.

Last I checked a quarterback's success is not measured by endorsements. I would rather have a quarterback that doesn't do endorsements and perform the way Keenum has this season than someone who does endorsements and plays the way Dak did the last 8 games. I could care less if he is a media superstar. I also could care less who eats what yogurt, I care about who helps the Cowboys win games.

If Dak keeps playing the way he did the last half of the season those endorsements won't be around much longer.

That said I am fan of Dak, I believe he will improve and I am doing nothing but rooting for him to succeed.

 

[Cowboysfan917]

I shot a 34 on the front nine in my round of golf today.

Second nine I accidentally broke my driver and shot a 50.

Oh, but I'll ignore what I ACTUALLY shot, and just give myself an excuse to dismiss the back nine. I'll double my front nine score instead. Nice, I shot a 68!


No. Just no.

Good quarterbacks don't need everything perfect to be effective. Your argument is beyond flawed.

The funniest part of the Dak apologist narrative is that Romo became the 4th highest rated passer in NFL history with the same system...

“Dak has to deal with Garrett’s system and it’s not creative”... Romo did too for almost his whole playing career. Just ask TO. That being said, I’d love to get some innovation.

“Dak needs a better offensive line”...Dak was sacked 32 times this season. Romo was sacked 21 times in 10 games in 2006,24 times in 2007, 34 times in 2009,36 in 2011,36 in 2012,35 in 2013, and 29 in 2014... Romo had revolving doors protecting him for a lot of his career.

Yet Romo didn’t have to have the best of everything to be a top 5 QB in his era. It’s a team game but good QBs at least don’t flounder.

The offensive line this year was better than the majority of the offensive lines in the league and the running game(even minus Zeke) was still an extremely effective running game... AND the defense was top 10.

The team is ready to rock... the QB held us back.

 

[erod]

Dallas' lousy roster couldn't win despite the elite play of Romo.

Now, Dallas' much improving roster won't win because Dak is substandard.

That's the reality unless something miraculous happens.