BTB: Stephen Jones: Kellen Moore as QBs coach is nearly a done deal for the Cowboys

[Blake]

Yet Doug Pederson is in the Super Bowl. Sean Payton has won one.

Nothing is blown up here aside from your post

Yeah... but neither of those guys is "dopey".

 

[Beast_from_East]

Moore *was here* holding a clip board while Dak regressed this year. If he had something valuable to add to Dak's development, he sure didn't show it.

In the face of the regression of our presumed franchise QB, who took a huge step backward in his rookie year, we *removed* our experienced QB coach who brought Dak to the team in the first place, and "replaced" him with a guy who was *already here* last year.

Did anyone think during the season "Gee, if only we dumped Wilson and let Moore be Dak's QB coach, all Dak's problems would be solved!" ?

Fixing our franchise QB should be Job #1 this offseason. We promoted the water boy to get that done.

Good points.....................yea, if Moore is such a QB guru all of a sudden, why the hell didn't he speak up and say something to Dak last year?

So while Dak was leading the league in pick 6s, Moore just stood there on the sideline playing angry birds on his Iphone

 

[Beast_from_East]

Making too much of this, if it happens. Linehan is developing Dak. We’ve also got another long time QB on staff in Garrett. We can afford to go with an inexperienced but promising QB coach if we want to. Yes, I’d prefer he start as an offensive assistant, too. But it’s not going to matter. We’ll have a very experienced offensive staff, overall.

So if Moore doesn't know what to tell Dak, since he played in like 2 regular season games his entire career.............

We got Scotty and the Clapper as the backup plan.

 

[Cowpolk]

I actually think Moore is going to be a good coach. But not here for Dak. How can Dak take coaching from a player who doesn't have the fundamentals, or couldn't even beat Dak out? It's just weird. It would be different if this was some veteran such as McCown or someone like that.

He was beating Dak out until he broke his ankle if not for that he would have started

 

[Beast_from_East]

He was beating Dak out until he broke his ankle if not for that he would have started

Dude, you are making the situation worse.

Our anointed new franchise QB was getting beat out by a guy that has played like 2 games in his entire career?

Like I said, you are not making the situation any better

 

[Cowpolk]

Dude, you are making the situation worse.

Our anointed new franchise QB was getting beat out by a guy that has played like 2 games in his entire career?

Like I said, you are not making the situation any better

I'm sorry I told the truth

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And before Wilson was QB Coach of the Bears he was QB Coach of the Dallas Cowboys. Perhaps you have heard of that team.

Wilson took the Dallas QB Coach job in 2000, immediately after his playing career ended.

Just like Kellen Moore.

So then he was hired by Campo and fired by Parcells then hired by Wade. Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

He sucked with Hutch and Henson and saw Romo turn into a turnover machine before Linehan got here.

Again citing the guy who just got canned as an example of what Moore might be is not a compelling argument. I'm not saying it never happens. The examples cherry picked to this point are not exactly an endorsement.

 

[Zman5]

It's not the fact that Moore was a mediocre QB that bothers me. It's his lack of experience as a coach. Just because you played the game and you are smart doesn't instantly make you a good coach . Being a player is not same as being a coach.

Moore might end up being a good coach eventually but the fact is, he has zero experience as a QB coach now. Just like any other profession, you need on the job experience. We already made this mistake with the HC.

This is a make or break year for Dak. Having a good proven QB coach is going to be huge for his development. Hiring another coach in training for Dak is going to be a big mistake.

 

[Cowpolk]

It's not the fact that Moore was a mediocre QB that bothers me. It's his lack of experience as a coach. Just because you played the game and you are smart doesn't instantly make you a good coach . Being a player is not same as being a coach. Just like any other profession, you need on the job experience. We already made this mistake with the HC.

This is a make or break year for Dak. Having a good proven QB coach is going to be huge for his development. Hiring another coach in training for Dak is going to be a big mistake.

He is starting off as a QB coach a low ranking position that is how you get experience start at the bottom and work your way up

 

[Zman5]

He is starting off as a QB coach a low ranking position that is how you get experience start at the bottom and work your way up

QB coach isn't a low ranking position. Romo credits David Lee, his first QB coach, as one of his biggest influences to his development. QB coach is a postion coach. Most coaches start out as an assistants helping out the position coaches. Just like Leon Lett.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He is starting off as a QB coach a low ranking position that is how you get experience start at the bottom and work your way up

A low ranking position is a video coordinator or quality control not QB coach who is typically the right hand man of the OC.

This move stinks of the path of least resistance.

 

[Cowpolk]

QB coach isn't a low ranking position. Romo credits David Lee, his first QB coach, as one of his biggest influences to his development. QB coach is a postion coach. Most coaches start out as an assistants helping out the position coaches. Just like Leon Lett.

Yes QB coach is a low ranking position

 

[Cowpolk]

A low ranking position is a video coordinator or quality control not QB coach who is typically the right hand man of the OC.

With little to no authority

 

[Zman5]

Yes QB coach is a low ranking position

Go look around the league and show me how many QB coaches have zero coaching experience. Moore doesn't even have any experience as a QB coach for a HS team.

I'm waiting

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

With little to no authority

What are you talking about? By that definition, no position coach has authority. Fact is that he is integral to deploying the passing offense and has tremendous access and influence on the OC.

 

[Cowpolk]

What are you talking about? By that definition, no position coach has authority. Fact is that he is integral to deploying the passing offense and has tremendous access and influence on the OC.

They train and teach that is it

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

They train and teach that is it

Nice oversimplification. If you want to think it is that simple then have fun with that.

 

[Cowpolk]

Nice oversimplification. If you want to think it is that simple then have fun with that.

Mother earth is not going to implode because of this hiring I promise. Dak either has the talent or he does not. People act like only 1 person is going to be helping him. There is a reason why we are forum members and NFL coaches are getting payed guess what that reason is?

 

[Idgit]

I get that you are appealing to authority when we don't even know what Linehan actually thinks.

http://www.Commanders.com/team/coaches/Kevin-Oconnell/a1efdfaf-5bba-4414-baab-f94139e53d10

Washington's QB coach had many years of experience before becoming QB coach and the so did the guy before him.

Having Moore intern for a year sounds like an infinitely better option than the one they are taking.

And saying that Linehan has to have a good reason for wanting this is rationalizing the decision.

Unless his bio is incomplete, O’connel’s first gig after playing was QB coach for the Browns. He’s at the Commanders now, a couple of years into his coaching career.

Saying Linehan knows what he wants in a QB coach and knows what he’s got in Moore is not a rationalization. Of course, Linehan could be wrong, but it’s not a rationalization to conclude that an experienced coach who knows a candidate well and tabs him to fill a position that looks like a stretch from the outside is evidence than Moore’s probably a reasonable candidate for the QB job.

It’s a bigger leap to assume Linehan is wrong because you don’t agree with him when you know so little about Moore’s actual ability to do the job.

 

[Idgit]

So if Moore doesn't know what to tell Dak, since he played in like 2 regular season games his entire career.............

We got Scotty and the Clapper as the backup plan.

I’d take you guys more seriously if you could acknowledge there’s a lot of football knowledge spread between Linehan and Garrett. Even if you think they can’t call plays or put together game plans (they of course can), there’s a ton of QB and OC experience there.

And Moore can read defenses. He can’t throw footballs. He’s been in this offense since 2012. You’re not going to find a coach on the street who knows it better. You’ll find better coaches. But Linehan probably thinks we’ve already got that part covered.