Final Dak thread - How many QBs in NFL would you want instead

[LocimusPrime]

Boooooom goes the long ball/deep pass. Check this out

 

[CouchCoach]

Dak season was discredited because of Zeke all of last season,


His Heisman list year was his Jr. year

He completed 66% of his passes his Sr year

He got on the list in his senior year because of his junior year, when he was more dual threat.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Word



Versus the blitz. Word to your mother

 

[Shinaoi]

I might be a bit biased but Russell Wilson would DOMINATE behind your O-line.

I would take Wilson is a heart beat.

 

[GenoT]

Since we’re playing Fantasy Island, I’ll take Tom Brady.

 

[Melonfeud]

IM not even responding to this...we are talking a year 2 guy who had a setback due to a lot of factors in front of him..mostly injury and shuffling the Oline plus zeke..it happens he had a grenade go off in front of him in ATL and had PTSD the rest of the season but in no way am i ready to give up on aguy that is 22-10 , ROY, in the regular season , played well in the GB playoff game and was 5-3 midseason with two games leading by double digits that the defense blew GB/Rams would have had us 7-1 ..better young qbs were ruined that had this happen to them early in their careers and i blame the coaches..

BTW they ran Dak more under center this year than out of shotgun and he was doing more audibles and reading more defenses , this was a learning season for him and he still got to 9-7 with a horrible team around him IE all had down years..ALL stop picking on only Dak when most of the entire team had down years except maybe Dlaw who didn't step up late after Irving went down and when we really needed sacks and TOs he disappeared as well..

this was a TEAM loss this season and if 9-7 is our bottom ill take that..so many of those guys listed DID NOT Carry their team..Eli and Clusins in our own dvison if they were so much better why didn't they finish with a better record??? come on talk it up? blame their teams?> i thought great Qbs carry their teams when the chips are down..why did eli get benched cousins why has his own team not signed him ??

I realize Dak didn't play well and his mechanics and confidence took a hit, this is not his proving year IMO he gets 4 years of his contract to develop, we will know by than, in the mean time 2018 should be a better year if we have even half less the issues we had this year..main thing is his foot work not his arm the throws that were really bad were him getting happy feet not setting his feet and using his hips and legs to drive the ball, that jump step almost tebow like throws while under pressure can be corrected.. if he simply learn to climb the pocket and keep his eyes downfield and reset and thow or gash a big run or two , the rush will slow down.. he didn't make them pay for their aggressiveness.. he instead ran sideways a lot and trie throwing while running into the line trying to block and it just fell apart..when he sets his feet i saw a lot of nice balls thrown into tight windows.. he can throw unlike tebow but lost his way and all the blindside hits..nly time will tell

if we can see this so will the QB coach and OC and they will work hard on this this offseason..

This is a very good,concise & reasoned post, bb-70


( I am a #4 fan with hopes & expectations of great things from him every time he takes the Field, he'd laid a monster game on #83 in that K.C. matchup, so we all know it's in him of what's expected,,,, but, I refuse to lower my sights on anything less than 8-8/
.500 ball from our team of self lead players,,,Now, a quality competent Coaching command staff that prepare & put those same .500 average in the more favorable positions to succeed INSTANTLY elevates that same talent to a 12-4,.750 avg. Unit,,,then the criteria of fine tuning the individual player comes Into a more focused play,,,its going to be awfully hard to instill & hone those permanent muscle memory maneuvers in #4 that's
Required of upper tier
Q.B.'s
When he's constantly on the dodge from that proverbial " piano falling out the window" landing on him due to scheme,,,,,,,although,,, that run game attack scheme with the collapsing zone blocking ploy is pretty killer when firing on all cylinders, you gotta admit)

 

[Melonfeud]

Get me a real coaching staff to work with Dak and then ask me again.

He struggled last year for sure. But I don't think it's broken beyond disrepair if you gave him a coaching staff that was innovative and could create an offense that would work for him using Elliott, Bryant, and this OL.

 

[Melonfeud]

Just curious, how much would you have written if you WERE responding?

 

[DakBringMeBack]

Word



Versus the blitz. Word to your mother

And because I have family from south philly and jersey they ran nick Foles out of town after 29 TD and 2 INT season just a year later like many of you geniuses want to do with Dak. Face it you do not know more than talent evaluators. There is a reason you and I work in a cube

 

[Melonfeud]

Go pats. Smash the eagles

Seriously? Just how big of a Richard Head is this guy,,,huh? Tooling around in a bright YELLOW paint ride!,,,, that's the international "go fast" color that every traffic cop keys in on,,,,

 

[Melonfeud]

Final Dak thread? Not likely. I won't even ask how you arrive at who is better than whom since they all play on different teams with different players around them and different coaches. Your opinion is only your opinion and not fact based. It can never be fact based.

Why so critical, friend?
Personally, I'm kinda grooving to the flow of this conversation stream & mellow traffic it's generating,you ought to try dialing in to the same wavelength ,Bro!

 

[Melonfeud]

Not really. Not using that as the ONLY barometer but his ability to perform this well in the playoffs an under extreme pressure is a very good indicator.

Once again it's not the only measuring tool but it's a great sign that he can perform at that level

Brady is the GOAT and has the hardware to prove it. Much more that qbr or passing ratings but you still need a decent one, demonstrate that you can throw medium to deep passes, do more than dink and dunk for your passer rating, read defenses, and perform admirably during the playoffs

Good post,Prime!
AND that deep down the middle ball that BRADY drops dead nuts on to his receivers is a beautiful thing,man!

 

[Zman5]

This is nothing new. There were similar conversation/threads like this after Aikman's second year and with Romo also.

 

[Donut]

Go pats. Smash the eagles

Nice car! The tail pipes reminded me of a squirting video though.

 

[Cowpolk]

Nice car! The tail pipes reminded me of a squirting video though.

Hello

 

[TwentyOne]

The fans want a deep passing attack. Who can throw deep?

Who are "those" fans ?

Please back it up by posting sources!

For me i do think we need the deep threat. Otherwise defenses will play us like they did last year. They'll take away the short and intermediate passing game. And it also helps them to take away the running game.The way we play right now we play in their hands.

With an Offense build around the running game you have to have a deep threat so the safeties and LBs have to stay back.

 

[TwentyOne]

This might be best way to sum up where we are with Dak. Taking all 32 teams and saying if Dak is better than their starter (or in case of Philly their backup)

Washington - Cousins - NO
Giants - Eli - Tie
Eagles - Wentz/Foles - NO to both
Bears - Trubisky - Yes
Packers - Rodgers - NO
Lions - Stafford - NO
Vikings - Keenum - Yes
Saints - Brees - NO
Falcons - Ryan - NO
Panthers - Cam - NO
SF - Garoppolo- NO
Seattle - Russel - NO
Rams - Goff - NO
Arizona - Skelton - Yes
Bucs - Jameis- NO
Bills - Tyrod - Yes
Dolphins - Tannehill/Cutler - Yes
Jets - McCown - NO
Pats - Brady - hahahaha
Bengals - Dalton - Yes
Browns - Kizer - Yes
Steelers - Roethlisberger - NO (this is who I want Dak to pattern his game after)
Ravens - Flacco - NO
Titans - Mariota - Tie
Texans - Watson - Yes (Don’t have enough info on Watson and haven’t seen if he can throw)
Jags - Bortles - Tie
Colts - Luck - NO (if Luck is healthy but Dak is better than Brisset.)
KC - Smith - NO
Denver - Lynch/Osweiler/Siemian - Yes
Oakland - Carr - NO
LA - Rivers - NO

So after that scan Dak is about 21st in the league. And anyone that begs to differ don’t use his rookie year numbers. I’m looking at decision making and arm talent. Find me video of Dak’s passes and decisions being better.

I want us to invest more resources into the QB position.

Every 3rd year we have to invest a high pick there. High pick means 2nd to 3rd. Maybe a 4th will be enough occasionally.

This is the most important position in football and we invest BS into it. We handle it on pure luck there. How the hell do we think we gonna have longtime success with that ?

 

[Donut]

Hello

Sup. Go to bed. Cowboys play at nooner.

 

[northerncowboynation]

Good post,Prime!
AND that deep down the middle ball that BRADY drops dead nuts on to his receivers is a beautiful thing,man!

Why so critical, friend?
Personally, I'm kinda grooving to the flow of this conversation stream & mellow traffic it's generating,you ought to try dialing in to the same wavelength ,Bro!

Honestly? Just tired of the debate that always get's to Dak v Romo eventually. From my perspective, I'd improve the talent at the skill positions on offense (see WR and TE) and if Dak is the guy moving forward cool! If he isn't and can't get on the same page with any WR then I'm looking for a better long term solution. That was our mistake with Romo IMO, we refused to daft a QB early, stubbornly believing that he was the guy after numerous surgeries. What did that get us? Mostly endless debate and zero proof that either side of the debate was more wrong or right than the other. The thread title suggested this was "the final Dak debate" when in realty it will just spiral until we actually win something

 

[northerncowboynation]

I think what we learned in the Romo era is that it takes more than a great QB. It takes a great team to win consistently not up one year and own the next. Yes that's consistent but not consistently good. It turns into consistently mediocre. If losing a Sean Lee, Tony Romo, Tyron Smith can derail the entire season, it isn't a very good team is it. Build the team around one of the most important positions on it, QB. Or build a team so strong that you can win without Sean Lee, Romo, Dak, Zeke or Tyron. We ain't there folks.