JJT: Philadelphia's Success Puts Spotlight on Jason Garrett

[Idgit]

The defense falls under the head coach. So there you go again, unwittingly absolving him. He can't get further because he doesn't have a defense.

And as noted above, the talent excuse will always be in play for guys like you. We could miss the next 2 years of playoffs and he get fired and you can convince yourself he's a great coach let down by a bad roster.

At some point, a great head coach shows himself to be a great head coach even with some roster shortcomings. Garrett has never, ever done that. He's ascended to 12 and 13 win seasons largely on teams that have just about everything go their way. First sign of real issues where coaching is at a premium? Yeah, the results slide back to typical mediocrity or worse.

And again, the HC of a successful program does not need absolution. He's doing well, in maybe the biggest job in football. He isn't doing well enough. Because of the defense. Again.

I didn't say he can't get further because he doesn't have a defense, since we've been very close to actually getting further twice now regardless. I said it's the single biggest liability of the team and that we ought to spend available resources addressing it.

And it being 'noted above that the talent excuse will always be in play' doesn't make that fact accurate. It's completely inaccurate, actually. I've said many times in may different threads already, if we do actually ever have a top 5 defense (in terms of points) and still can't get it done, with the offense we have already, then it actually will be time to change the HC and coordinators out, because there won't be anything else for it but to start over.

I don't know that Jason Garrett actually is a guy who can win a Superbowl in Dallas. And I've never said he's a great coach, because he hasn't proven that. All I want is for him to finish building the team that I think is close to being Superbowl contending. And that means adding playmakers on defense. If we do that and can't get it done--or if there's a known, better option available on the street--I'll be all-for a HC change. Until that happens, though, I'm not going to look at a porous playoff defense and try to convince you guys the problem is offensive playcalling. That makes no sense.

 

[aria]

So your answer is complicit then. Ok. I don’t dispute that at all. But that only further supports the fact that he’s part of the problem, not part of the solution.

I don’t disagree and while he may be part of the problem I don’t think we’ll ever get a coach that isn’t “part of the problem” until Jerry is taking a dirt nap. Every coach we’ve had has been nothing mkre than a puppet minus Parcells, which he said he hired to help with the new stadium, and Jimmy which we all know how that worked out.

I get people want a new coach but good luck finding any marquee names. The Cowboys have a reputation but I firmly believe that until Jerry stays out of it then it will be hard to land a great coach. We’d have to take a chance with a second tier coach or with a brand new coach that is looking to get their first gig as HC which may or may not work out. Either way, as long as Jerry still stays involved it’s not good.

 

[Sydla]

First off way to dodge my first question. You make things up about me, I call you out, and you ignore it like it never happened. Good job.

If you don’t think player motivation and game prep doesn’t play a role in an outcome of a game then you’ve obviously never played any type of organized sport. One absolutely has to do with the other. If the playoffs were on the line I’m sure the outcome would be much different.

Wait are you saying we didn't prep for the game?

What question? I honestly missed it.

 

[Sydla]

And again, the HC of a successful program does not need absolution. He's doing well, in maybe the biggest job in football. He isn't doing well enough. Because of the defense. Again.

I didn't say he can't get further because he doesn't have a defense, since we've been very close to actually getting further twice now regardless. I said it's the single biggest liability of the team and that we ought to spend available resources addressing it.

And it being 'noted above that the talent excuse will always be in play' doesn't make that fact accurate. It's completely inaccurate, actually. I've said many times in may different threads already, if we do actually ever have a top 5 defense (in terms of points) and still can't get it done, with the offense we have already, then it actually will be time to change the HC and coordinators out, because there won't be anything else for it but to start over.

I don't know that Jason Garrett actually is a guy who can win a Superbowl in Dallas. And I've never said he's a great coach, because he hasn't proven that. All I want is for him to finish building the team that I think is close to being Superbowl contending. And that means adding playmakers on defense. If we do that and can't get it done--or if there's a known, better option available on the street--I'll be all-for a HC change. Until that happens, though, I'm not going to look at a porous playoff defense and try to convince you guys the problem is offensive playcalling. That makes no sense.

It's hard to get beyond the first paragraph where you say he's the HC of a successful program and he's doing well. 7 years, 2 playoff appearances. That's not doing well. That's not successful. That's barely average.

 

[aria]

Wait are you saying we didn't prep for the game?

I don’t mind disagreeing with people but I have a problem with someone who makes things up about other people to either slander their name, prove a point or both. Why don’t you either address my first question or shut up? Until then I’m done with you, go lie about someone else.

 

[Sydla]

C

No surprise here, nice try Sydla. I know you’re a pro at misquoting people and accusing me of saying things I never said but don’t use my response and respond with “you guys”. Please pull up a qoute right now of where I’ve said JG has been vital at restoring this roster or don’t use my post.

Is this what you are referring to?

I totally missed it.

And if you are not one of those who has tried to justify his job by giving some him credit for off the field things like personnel, then my apologies.

 

[kevm3]

Then how do you explain going 13-3 last year with a rookie qb and rookie rb? Do you think the Philly game even mattered to the players? Most people here didn’t even want them to win and now you’re complaining they barely beat the back ups?

We had a game plan that the rest of the league wasnt prepared for. Once they picked up on our offensive tendencies, it was a wrap. That, and a decline in o line play.

 

[cern]

Philadelphia's Success Puts Spotlight on Jason Garrett

By Jean-Jacques Taylor
Published 2 hours ago

In his second year as head coach, Doug Pederson helped guide the Philadelphia Eagles to the Super Bowl. NBC 5 sports director Newy Scruggs and Cowboys Insider Jean-Jacques Taylor discuss the difference between Pederson and Cowboys head coach Jason Garrett. (Published Monday, Jan. 22, 2018)


Whether he chooses to admit it publicly - or even acknowledge it - Jerry Jones must wonder how in the world the Philadelphia Eagles wound up in the Super Bowl, while his team missed the playoffs.

The Eagles lost several key starters to injuries this season, including quarterback Carson Wentz, who was playing at a MVP level, when he tore a knee ligament against the Los Angeles Rams in December.

They also lost Pro Bowl left tackle Jason Peters, starting middle linebacker Jordan Hicks, running back Darren Sproles and special teams captain Chris Maragos among others.

None of it affected them.

Philadelphia coach Doug Pederson figured out how to make it work. He adjusted. He adapted.

And he refused to let his team find ways to lose, when no one would've blamed them if they did.

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/sports/...uts-Spotlight-on-Jason-Garrett-470691443.html

just as meaningful as Pederson vs garrett, there is also Howie roseman vs jerry as gm. philly not only has the clearly superior hc, but the clearly superior gm.

 

[cern]

Garrett's problem is that he cannot overcome that because he thinks and acts like an employee who is "comfortable with ambiguity".

He buys into the organizational direction pretty consistently. He plays it safe and sound, the best he can. He survives as his robotic brain directs him to.

let's be honest. in what world/universe would someone like garrett ever again make 5.5 million a year? he will do and say everything he's told by jerry. he'll kiss up till his lips bleed. everything about the man says average. I cannot think of any other team that would be interested in him as a hc.

 

[windward]

Without that defense, Pederson’s season ends in a home loss to Atlanta.

Pederson’s gone from bum to genius over the course of 4 months.

Amusing to say the least.

 

[Sydla]

Pederson’s gone from bum to genius over the course of 4 months.

Amusing to say the least.

Maybe he wasn't actually a bum after all?

All I know is he's done some things in 2 seasons that Garrett hasn't done in 7.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

I guess that is the new thing.

Garrett would be good enough were it not for that darn defense.

That he should be responsible for. He's the HC,

 

[aria]

Is this what you are referring to?

I totally missed it.

And if you are not one of those who has tried to justify his job by giving some him credit for off the field things like personnel, then my apologies.

Apology accepted, thank you. I know we disagree on a lot of stuff but I’m not one of the people who have ever said it. And in case you missed this as well, I know a lot of people want JG gone now but I’ve recently stated I’ll continueto support him for ONE more year, next season is it. If he doesn’t make the playoffs (barring a slew of major injuries across the board) then I’ll be all aboard the fire JG train.

I know his overall record isn’t great but after this last season with all the bs and injuries that he had to deal with and being given little depth I cant condone firing the guy when he went 13-3 the year before. I agree he’s not the greatest coach out there and has made mistakes but all coaches do, if you’ve watched any of the playoffs you’ve see how many bad decisions some of these “great” coaches make. I think he’s also in a bad situation with the way Jerry has the team structured and some of the moves they’ve made over the years. IMO he’s not great but he’s not nearly that bad considering the circumstances he’s dealt with.

As I’ve alo said, I think it will be real tough to get an established coach in here unless Jerry drastically changes or he croaks. The latter being the most likely to happen first. If JG gets fired next year, hopefully we’ll get lucky with a brand new first time coach like the Rams because I don’t think a lot of good, well known coaches would want to coach here with things the way they currently are.

 

[Doomsay]

I guess that is the new thing.

Garrett would be good enough were it not for that darn defense.

Since Garrett is not an offensive X's & O's guy, no longer an OC or play caller, aren't we meant to believe that he is an entire team builder, sort of an invisible hand deal? Under this re-positioned cover for his game day ineptitude, how is he now not responsible for the defense? The more excuses his supporters come up with, the fewer responsibilities and actual value he could actually have.

 

[Sydla]

Apology accepted, thank you. I know we disagree on a lot of stuff but I’m not one of the people who have ever said it. And in case you missed this as well, I know a lot of people want JG gone now but I’ve recently stated I’ll continueto support him for ONE more year, next season is it. If he doesn’t make the playoffs (barring a slew of major injuries across the board) then I’ll be all aboard the fire JG train.

I know his overall record isn’t great but after this last season with all the bs and injuries that he had to deal with and being given little depth I cant condone firing the guy when he went 13-3 the year before. I agree he’s not the greatest coach out there and has made mistakes but all coaches do, if you’ve watched any of the playoffs you’ve see how many bad decisions some of these “great” coaches make. I think he’s also in a bad situation with the way Jerry has the team structured and some of the moves they’ve made over the years. IMO he’s not great but he’s not nearly that bad considering the circumstances he’s dealt with.

As I’ve alo said, I think it will be real tough to get an established coach in here unless Jerry drastically changes or he croaks. The latter being the most likely to happen first. If JG gets fired next year, hopefully we’ll get lucky with a brand new first time coach like the Rams because I don’t think a lot of good, well known coaches would want to coach here with things the way they currently are.

I don't buy the injury excuse anymore. Because in reality, the injury excuse will always be there as in today's NFL, it's rare that teams make it through a season without some level of injuries. And certainly, when you see a divisional rival with a back up QB, backup LT, backup MLB, missing their 3rd down back, etc. make the SB largely because their coaching staff was able to scheme around those problems, it's hard to sit there and think Garrett is doing a fine job and just being let down by injuries and other forces. Good to great coaches typically overcome those types of things, average coaches go belly up and fail to reach expectations when things don't go their way.

He absolutely should have been fired this year. Because in the end, we have a 7 year resume on the guy and it's barely adequate. History shows guys like that suddenly don't take off in their 8th year going forward on a job. He's not a terrible coach but he's average and that's just not good enough.

Maybe it would be tough to get an established coach in here. Maybe Jerry poisons the water. But at this point, I'll take a chance on the unknown and maybe even look for some luck here as opposed to just playing out this pathetically average run we currently are on and likely will continue on as long as Garrett is allowed to coach. At some point, enough is enough.

 

[IrishAnto]

It’s simple. JG isn’t a good coach.

Pederson is.

With a good GM

 

[silver]

Jimmy and Barry managed to have success with Jerry. That's the barometer I use when judging Cowboys' HC's under Jerry.

 

[jwitten82]

And again, the HC of a successful program does not need absolution. He's doing well, in maybe the biggest job in football. He isn't doing well enough. Because of the defense. Again.

I didn't say he can't get further because he doesn't have a defense, since we've been very close to actually getting further twice now regardless. I said it's the single biggest liability of the team and that we ought to spend available resources addressing it.

And it being 'noted above that the talent excuse will always be in play' doesn't make that fact accurate. It's completely inaccurate, actually. I've said many times in may different threads already, if we do actually ever have a top 5 defense (in terms of points) and still can't get it done, with the offense we have already, then it actually will be time to change the HC and coordinators out, because there won't be anything else for it but to start over.

I don't know that Jason Garrett actually is a guy who can win a Superbowl in Dallas. And I've never said he's a great coach, because he hasn't proven that. All I want is for him to finish building the team that I think is close to being Superbowl contending. And that means adding playmakers on defense. If we do that and can't get it done--or if there's a known, better option available on the street--I'll be all-for a HC change. Until that happens, though, I'm not going to look at a porous playoff defense and try to convince you guys the problem is offensive playcalling. That makes no sense.

Lol except our defense actually wasnt the reason we missed the playoffs this season, they held teams to 21 points or fewer TEN times this season. Yet everytime I point that out you give another excuse. We lost Tyron doe (Eagles lost their LT too), we had Zeke distraction doe lol

 

[Aven8]

Then who is? Did JG personally select Chaz Green and Byron Bell? What the hell are we paying McClay for then?

No he didn't choose them, but it's he and teams job to coach them up. Chaz Green and Bell aren't the last crappy OT's that will play in this league. It was clear as day to everyone that Green didn't have it that day and he waited until late in the 3rd quarter to replace him. By then it was too late, and it damaged Dak.

He doesn't have to worry about calling plays anymore so what took so long? Why no help for Green? He should have been fired for that alone!

 

[Stash]

I don’t disagree and while he may be part of the problem I don’t think we’ll ever get a coach that isn’t “part of the problem” until Jerry is taking a dirt nap. Every coach we’ve had has been nothing mkre than a puppet minus Parcells, which he said he hired to help with the new stadium, and Jimmy which we all know how that worked out.

I get people want a new coach but good luck finding any marquee names. The Cowboys have a reputation but I firmly believe that until Jerry stays out of it then it will be hard to land a great coach. We’d have to take a chance with a second tier coach or with a brand new coach that is looking to get their first gig as HC which may or may not work out. Either way, as long as Jerry still stays involved it’s not good.

I don't dispute that screwed up dynamic, but that's doesn't mean that Garrett gets a pass for his own failings.

He's simply not good enough to have this job. Never has been, never will be.