Dak tops in tight window throws

[4lifecowboy]

It depends. Because if u look at routes ran and with an open mind and not in the frame of mine that you hate him as a lot of people in this forum do you will see it’s give and take on both Qb and wr

A perfect example is. S the raiders on a cross pattern to dez bowman sees dez and drops back in dez path, he slows up as the pass is on its way and it goes right by into a int. A team pays you 70 mil to be able to run that route without making that business decision.

This is the issue, sloppy routes and a young qb who doesn’t believe in his #1.

Or simply a pass that shouldn't have been thrown because the route was covered. The play you are describing is more conducive of a #1 receiver not trusting his QB. Dez has a resume of making difficult and daring catches, the problem is there is no confidence that his QB can place a ball in a spot. Dude is just too erratic with his accuracy to develop any chemistry with any receiver. We will waste a few more years, lose the prime years of our core players before most of y'all come to this realization evidently.

 

[Hadenough]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...matthew-stafford-among-top-10-tightwindow-qbs

I read this yesterday and was wondering how long it would take for someone to post this. The funny thing about the list of QBs is it has no Brady ,Ryan, Rodgers or Brees but has Tyrod Taylor and Carson Palmer on the list. They said Rodgers got hurt is why he wasnt on the list but so did Palmer! Wentz is no 8 and last year he was firing balls into WRs hands that were running deep crossing routes 20 yds down the field that were tight windows. The WRs were just dropping them.
People this is complete BS and the eyes test is the real test and here is why,
It's impossible for any stat to completely negate the influence of a quarterback's surrounding cast and measure his pure ability, but using a composite score helped alleviate those issues to a manageable degree.
Matt Harmon, another guy on Jerrys payroll to sell us dog food!

 

[HungryLion]

I read this yesterday and was wondering how long it would take for someone to post this. The funny thing about the list of QBs is it has no Brady ,Ryan, Rodgers or Brees but has Tyrod Taylor and Carson Palmer on the list. They said Rodgers got hurt is why he wasnt on the list but so did Palmer! Wentz is no 8 and last year he was firing balls into WRs hands that were running deep crossing routes 20 yds down the field that were tight windows. The WRs were just dropping them.
People this is complete BS and the eyes test is the real test and here is why,
It's impossible for any stat to completely negate the influence of a quarterback's surrounding cast and measure his pure ability, but using a composite score helped alleviate those issues to a manageable degree.
Matt Harmon, another guy on Jerrys payroll to sell us dog food!

Nobody is saying this list is an end all, be all about Dak and his abilities. It’s moronic to think in such absolute terms.

I think the point is though, that if Dak is number one of all QB’s in this stat.... then maybe just maybe his accuracy and arm aren’t as bad as some people
Make it out to be.

Not to say Dak doesn’t need to keep improving. He does need to keep improving
And his accuracy does struggle, at times. But we have people on this board calling him a HS QB and calling him noodle
Arm. Which is pretty ridiculous in its own right too. Because he most definitely doesn’t have a middle arm.

 

[kskboys]

Or simply a pass that shouldn't have been thrown because the route was covered. The play you are describing is more conducive of a #1 receiver not trusting his QB. Dez has a resume of making difficult and daring catches, the problem is there is no confidence that his QB can place a ball in a spot. Dude is just too erratic with his accuracy to develop any chemistry with any receiver. We will waste a few more years, lose the prime years of our core players before most of y'all come to this realization evidently.

A WR gives up on the play, causing a pick, and you blame it on the QB? C'mooooooooon.

 

[duro420]

Yes, and his name is Risen

You guys ever seen Risen and Scott Disick in the same room? No you haven't (initiate gasp simulation). Are they the same person or is it all just some government fueled conspiracy theory?

 

[Captain43Crash]

I know this thread is going a little fast for you to keep up with, but the conversation is about why Dak's numbers declined from year one to year two.

Do you have anything to add or are you just wasting everybody's time?

Wow! Sorry, YOU, the post police, don’t think my post was relavent to the conversation. Maybe you can contact the Cowboys Zone and they will hire you to tell posters how smart you are and how dumb they are. Oh, you already do that. Also, if you paid attention, I was making a point about how it it easy to rip Dak for throwing 6 ints. that were returned for TD’s his 2nd year, but ignore the fact he only threw 4 ints. his whole rookie year. The poster was ripping Dak for throwing 6 ints. for TDs his 2nd year, and I was sticking up for Dak with the fact he only threw 4 ints. his rookie year. Also, I have discussed many times on this forum why the offfense played worse Dak’s 2nd year: O line injuries, players not playing as well( Dez, O line ), basic simple offensive game plans with lousy and sometimes non existent in game adjustments( see Atlanta fiasco ). Coaching was the biggest reason this Offense, not just Dak regressed. Dak regressed, if you want to call it that, because of what was happening around him. With the play around him ,and the lame coaching, there was NO way he would sustain what he did his rookie year.

 

[LatinMind]

Or simply a pass that shouldn't have been thrown because the route was covered. The play you are describing is more conducive of a #1 receiver not trusting his QB. Dez has a resume of making difficult and daring catches, the problem is there is no confidence that his QB can place a ball in a spot. Dude is just too erratic with his accuracy to develop any chemistry with any receiver. We will waste a few more years, lose the prime years of our core players before most of y'all come to this realization evidently.

funny how none of the other WRs have this problem.

 

[charron]

And the Dak debate continues. Blame whomever makes you feel better but the truth is this receiving cores yards per catch has dropped 3 years in a row.

 

[Captain43Crash]

And the Dak debate continues. Blame whomever makes you feel better but the truth is this receiving cores yards per catch has dropped 3 years in a row.

#1, I blame the Offensive coaching staff, especially Garrett, with his basic and simplistic passing attack his failure to make adjustments during the game or making the wrong adjustments during the game. After watching Philly’s O during the Superbowl it is obvious we do not have a coach that can take us to the big game.

 

[starcity214]

#1, I blame the Offensive coaching staff, especially Garrett, with his basic and simplistic passing attack his failure to make adjustments during the game or making the wrong adjustments during the game. After watching Philly’s O during the Superbowl it is obvious we do not have a coach that can take us to the big game.

While I agree that pederson is a better coach and a "play to win and risk it all" type of coach , he would never have an Alex Smith/ Dak Prescott type of QB as a starter...

A coach can call a "risky" fade route into single coverage on 3rd down all he wants , but if he has a QB that is only concerned with avoiding INTs and keeping a high completion percentage, his "scheme" will look like trash . Dak is the type of QB that sees single coverage on 3rd down and long and would rather dump it off, get the completion, and hope to pick up a first down.

In Dak's mind, throwing checkdowns is better because a long throw is a 50 50 proposition, and has a chance to get picked off. Sure, a checkdowns will more than likely result in a punt, but it will give Dak a good completion percentage and 6 yards instead of 0 from an incompletion...

Look at Alex Smith's career arc.. same QB, different name. You just can't win with that type of QB..

 

[4lifecowboy]

funny how none of the other WRs have this problem.

All of the receivers had that problem with the exception of Butler who only ran one route.

 

[4lifecowboy]

A WR gives up on the play, causing a pick, and you blame it on the QB? C'mooooooooon.

Look to me coverage dictated the QB should have looked in another direction.

 

[BobSacamano]

This is great. But it begs the question how bad he was in open windows, then, for his numbers to have dropped the way they did?

This is one of those where the numbers actually surprise me. I wouldn't have thought he'd be very high on this list just judging from my eye-ball test this season.

I think with the wide open windows, Dak just chooses not to use his mechanics.

Also doesn't help that he was getting rushed alot.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Strange article. I have no idea what this stat means. He was apparently also really good at throwing into tight windows as a rookie. He improved from 42% to 45% throwing into tight windows. So what? Maybe this means he has a propensity to lock onto wrs who aren't open or throw where he shouldn't. In any case, this stat apparently has little correlation with overall performance as the article even states that he took a step backward as a QB.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Relevant

Unless you can pull up last years stats and show a significant difference in the separation the wrs were getting in 2016. vs 2017, this stats explains nothing.

 

[JustChip]

Strange article. I have no idea what this stat means. He was apparently also really good at throwing into tight windows as a rookie. He improved from 42% to 45% throwing into tight windows. So what? Maybe this means he has a propensity to lock onto wrs who aren't open or throw where he shouldn't. In any case, this stat apparently has little correlation with overall performance as the article even states that he took a step backward as a QB.

Most stats can be interpreted to tell whatever story you see fit.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Unless you can pull up last years stats and show a significant difference in the separation the wrs were getting in 2016. vs 2017, this stats explains nothing.

It's by player, not team, but knock yourself out.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/receiving/2016/all

 

[atlantacowboy]

It's by player, not team, but knock yourself out.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/receiving/2016/all

Thanks for the link. It kinda proved the point that this yards of separation stat is interesting but not for drawing any kind of conclusions. ......unless you think Jamison Crowder is a top tier WR last year.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Most stats can be interpreted to tell whatever story you see fit.

Some more than others.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Thanks for the link. It kinda proved the point that this yards of separation stat is interesting but not for drawing any kind of conclusions. ......unless you think Jamison Crowder is a top tier WR last year.

NP. It is a hard stat to draw a conclusion from in regards to the WR corps. Could be scheme related, speed, match up, etc. But I thought it related to the tight window throws in that if you have less separation from you WRs you may be more likely to have more tight throws. We see Dal WR were about average.