Time to sit Witten

[xwalker]

How can you like Green? He's had 2 good games in 3 seasons. IMO, he should have been cut after his nightmare performance in Atlanta. He was healthy going into the game and had a week of practice with the first team. He's an embarrassment. Jimmy Johnson would have cut his a ss first thing monday morning.

I didn't say I liked the player.

The point is the coaches made reasonable decisions prior to the Atlanta game based on the information available.

Somebody screwed up by not giving him AND Bell more help in that game, but it was reasonable to have expected him to play well because he had done it before and they covered his injury issues by also carrying Bell on the roster. When Parnell was the Swing Tackle they didn't carry an extra OT behind him most of those years

 

[conner01]

You know you're wrong when you want to pay a player for what he has done as opposed to what he will do in the future...

Every player is paid for what he has done because if the way the nfl contract system works. You get drafted and are paid for where you are picked, which is paying you for what you did in college. You hit free agency and you get paid for what you have done in those first few years.
At the end of every top players career because of the structure of that last contract you are paid for what you were doing as a player when you signed that contract

 

[TheSkaven]

This disrespect needs to stop. If the TE position is lacking, you don't fix the position by benching the best one you have. Develop better talent and when it is better than Witten, it can start. Until then Witten isn't sitting.

Bingo.

It’s not that the Cowboys don’t know when to part ways with aging players. It’s that they never have a player behind them that can outplay them. If you cut Witten you save $8 million against the cap, but who starts? Someone who is not as good as even an aging Witten.

Put me down as being on the Rico Gathers bandwagon. I believe. This is the year that he comes in and steals the show.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Put me down as being on the Rico Gathers bandwagon. I believe. This is the year that he comes in and steals the show.

This guy gets it.

 

[Galian Beast]

What the hell are you babbling about? Who would you have started last year? I own my own company with three divisions. Do not screw with me. **** around with the kids. Never talk down to me again. Want to chat ownership and related challenges... happy to engage.

You can puff your chest all you want, but you don't understand basic economics.

I've already mentioned I would have played Swaim and Hanna last year.

The reduction in production versus the gains in the salary cap that could have helped the defense are minor.

 

[Galian Beast]

Every player is paid for what he has done because if the way the nfl contract system works. You get drafted and are paid for where you are picked, which is paying you for what you did in college. You hit free agency and you get paid for what you have done in those first few years.
At the end of every top players career because of the structure of that last contract you are paid for what you were doing as a player when you signed that contract

Wrong, that's how poor teams put together contracts. Intelligent teams pay players for what they expect them to do going forward and when the contract goes bad they adjust and have hopefully put in outs through out the contract.

 

[sean10mm]

People have complained about Witten being slow forever, but his production on a per-catch basis didn't fall off a cliff until 2017. That's when everything about his playmaking got visibly, seriously worse.

8.9 yards per reception for anyone who's not catching behind the line of scrimmage is just... it's really bad.

 

[fansince68]

That indicates that you don't study game footage of players.

You should study the "footage" of the Falcon game. A toddler could have done a better job than Green in that game. Green is garbage and you give me 2 games out a 3-4 year playing career to promote his case as a decent player?

 

[xwalker]

You should study the "footage" of the Falcon game. A toddler could have done a better job than Green in that game. Green is garbage and you give me 2 games out a 3-4 year playing career to promote his case as a decent player?

I didn't say he is good now.

I said it was reasonable to expect him to be good in 2017 because he was good in 2 starts in 2016.

If you came here from the cesspool message board, then I don't expect you to understand the concept of studying game footage. Obviously any clown could see that Green and Bell were bad in the Atlanta game; however, most fans never even realized that Tyron missed multiple games in 2016 because Green filled in without incident.

 

[gjkoeppen]

TO was an impact player that took teams to the playoffs and made a difference several times.

Witten and his walter payton man of the year award has not.

Hey if you're a owens lover great, but that's a VERY SMALL group who are. Just asking, during all your praises for owens did you happen to forget that he lead the league THREE times for the most dropped balls? Do you really think if 1000 actual Cowboys fans were asked who they like better and think more of and would rather have on the Cowboys Witten or owens, just how many TRUTHFULLY would pick owens?
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[kskboys]

Wrong.

Not wrong, patently right. Often, an entire season is not even enough. Peerless Price, Derek Anderson, David Garrard, Dee Milner......the NFL is full of guys who were good/great for a short time but turned out to be not that good.

Since I respect your knowledge, I'm actually quite shocked that you think 2 games is enough to judge. Why an extremely high number to the contrary, where does this belief come from?

 

[cern]

we let a pro bowl te go named martellus Bennett because witten was unwilling to share any touches with anyone else. but I do put most of the blame on the coaches for letting this situation get out of hand.

 

[kskboys]

we let a pro bowl te go named martellus Bennett because witten was unwilling to share any touches with anyone else. but I do put most of the blame on the coaches for letting this situation get out of hand.

Yeah, but Cern, if Bennett didn't get touches truly because Witten was unwilling, that's strictly on the coaching staff. I know that BSPN term gets thrown around a lot, "wouldn't let anyone else play", but it's stritctly not true, aside from a few extreme instances, mostly concerning QB's.

And people are conveniently forgetting that for us, Bennett dropped pass after pass after pass. His blocking was great, everything else was not so great.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Bingo.

It’s not that the Cowboys don’t know when to part ways with aging players. It’s that they never have a player behind them that can outplay them. If you cut Witten you save $8 million against the cap, but who starts? Someone who is not as good as even an aging Witten.

Put me down as being on the Rico Gathers bandwagon. I believe. This is the year that he comes in and steals the show.

This lament is really sort of disingenuous. Witten has alot more cache as future HOFer that is being factored in when considering personnel decisions.

Replacing 63 catches, 560 yards, 8.9 ypc and 5 TDs is not some impossible task.

 

[cern]

Yeah, but Cern, if Bennett didn't get touches truly because Witten was unwilling, that's strictly on the coaching staff. I know that BSPN term gets thrown around a lot, "wouldn't let anyone else play", but it's stritctly not true, aside from a few extreme instances, mostly concerning QB's.

And people are conveniently forgetting that for us, Bennett dropped pass after pass after pass. His blocking was great, everything else was not so great.

even Terrell owens expressed some consternation that the romo to witten express gobbled up most of the passes. as for Bennett, he played at a higher level everywhere he went after leaving dallas. including a trip to the superbowl and the pro bowl. but like you, I put the blame on the coaches. seems strange that we could never develop another tight end.

 

[Corso]

even Terrell owens expressed some consternation that the romo to witten express gobbled up most of the passes. as for Bennett, he played at a higher level everywhere he went after leaving dallas. including a trip to the superbowl and the pro bowl. but like you, I put the blame on the coaches. seems strange that we could never develop another tight end.

What I've been saying... We've had talent in-house. We just throw it away. Even after spending good currency to get said talent.

 

[cern]

What I've been saying... We've had talent in-house. We just throw it away. Even after spending good currency to get said talent.

I agree. we all love zack martin and would like to see him resigned, but at what expense. we could have just as well signed leary for less and kept him and then began making a deal for zack, whether it be for players or draft picks. he won't be an easy resigning.

 

[Galian Beast]

Hey if you're a owens lover great, but that's a VERY SMALL group who are. Just asking, during all your praises for owens did you happen to forget that he lead the league THREE times for the most dropped balls? Do you really think if 1000 actual Cowboys fans were asked who they like better and think more of and would rather have on the Cowboys Witten or owens, just how many TRUTHFULLY would pick owens?
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One player was a much larger impact on the game and I think most fans would tell you that. Better get your popcorn ready.

 

[armadillooutlaw]

Absolutely. Get one of those guys and limit Witten's snaps.

That's where I'm at. Witten has sure hands and it still a good safety net for Prescott, but that shouldn't stop them from bringing in another starting caliber TE that can be more of a downfield threat; him and Witten would have different roles in the offense. Witten could still be on the field for 75% of the snaps. Can this team and these coaches properly use two TEs? They failed with Fasano and they failed with Bennett- both players that have had solid, long careers in other places.

 

[Blast From The Past]

Good question. We don't even get to see another TE on the field, going out on routes except for maybe 2 snaps a game, except for Witten.
That's how far the progress stops.

Hanna himself came into the league as a receiving TE and what does he do?

Right about Hanna as they give him few tarkets and let him come in to block. Give him a shot to catch balls and see if he is the one. This staff misuses people way too much.