Cowboys awarded 4th, 2 5ths and 6th round comp picks

[AbeBeta]

Hated that signing the moment it was announced...

So we let Claiborne walk...and picked up that turd...and saved a million in the process....except Nolan didn't even last a few months and Mo...actually played pretty well for the Jets.

Yeah, except it isn't true.

Nolan Carrol offset nothing. We didn't lose picks because of him. At best, he would have lost us a 7th.

However, you can't get more than 4 picks. It isn't a cumulative deal. You get a pick for a specific player. That's offset by signings of similarly valued players.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Yeah, except it isn't true.

Nolan Carrol offset nothing. We didn't lose picks because of him. At best, he would have lost us a 7th.

However, you can't get more than 4 picks. It isn't a cumulative deal. You get a pick for a specific player. That's offset by signings of similarly valued players.

The Carrol signing?
It might not have negated a comp pick, but theres a good chance it lowered our comp pick.

The Carrol signing negated the McClain loss, and likely lowered our comp pick from McClain to Claiborne.

Is there that much of a diffeence that late in the draft? You'd hope not.

 

[LatinMind]

So much for the two fourths projection people have been expecting.

told people Dallas would only get a 4th for Leary, but certain people said church was a 4th lol.

 

[Nightman]

The Carrol signing?
It might not have negated a comp pick, but theres a good chance it lowered our comp pick.

The Carrol signing negated the McClain loss, and likely lowered our comp pick from McClain to Claiborne.

Is there that much of a diffeence that late in the draft? You'd hope not.

It didn't...... Carroll signing had 0 impact

 

[Gameover]

The Cowboys don’t draft in a vacuum. If you want to truly assess the quality of their drafts, you have to compare them against the rest of the league.

Exactly

 

[Nightman]

told people Dallas would only get a 4th for Leary, but certain people said church was a 4th lol.

Church should have been a 4th .....the cutoff was around 193 and Church was 189

 

[Proximo]

Let's check that out to see if it's true.

2011
1(9) Tyron Smith T USC
2(40) Bruce Carter LB North Carolina
3(71) DeMarco Murray RB Oklahoma
4(110) David Arkin G Missouri St.
5(143) Josh Thomas CB Buffalo
6(176) Dwayne Harris WR East Carolina
7(220) Shaun Chapas FB Georgia
7(252) Bill Nagy G Wisconsin

Two studs in Smith and Murray and not much else. They whiffed on their 2nd round pick and on day 3 of the draft they completely struck out minus a decent return man.

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2013
1(31) Travis Frederick C Wisconsin
2(47) Gavin Escobar TE San Diego St.
3(74) Terrance Williams WR Baylor
3(80) J.J. Wilcox S Georgia Southern
4(114) B.W. Webb CB William &Mary
5(151) Joseph Randle RB Oklahoma St.
6(185) Devonte Holloman LB South Carolina

Frederick speaks for itself. Williams is an okay 2/3 in the league. Wilcox never developed. Another whiff 2nd round pick and nothing on day 3.

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2014
1(16) Zack Martin G Notre Dame
2(34) DeMarcus Lawrence DE Boise St.
4(119) Anthony Hitchens LB Iowa
5(146) Devin Street WR Pittsburgh
7(231) Ben Gardner DE Stanford
7(238) Will Smith LB Texas Tech
7(248) Ahmad Dixon S Baylor
7(251) Ken Bishop DT Northern Illinois
7(254) Terrance Mitchell CB Oregon

Martin's an All Pro. Lawrence has 1 great year out of 4. Hitchens is just a guy and the only other player worth anything in that group turned into a player for the Chiefs.

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2016
1(4) Ezekiel Elliott RB Ohio St.
2(34) Jaylon Smith LB Notre Dame
3(67) Maliek Collins DT Nebraska
4(101) Charles Tapper DE Oklahoma
4(135) Rayne Prescott QB Mississippi St.
6(189) Anthony Brown CB Purdue
6(212) Kavon Frazier S Central Michigan
6(216) Darrius Jackson RB Eastern Michigan
6(217) Rico Gathers PF Baylor

Everybody's OMG epic class that took a giant step back in year 2. There's no denying Zeke. He's a generational talent. Prescott's flaws and lack of skill were exposed. Collins and Brown regressed. Smith is still in a brace and a fraction of the player he was in college. Rico's making records. Tapper's in hospice. Hey, you got a nice special teams ace and box safety in the 6th round. The reports of this class' greatness have been greatly exaggerated.


The Cowboys have drafted well lately if, and only if, you want to believe that. If you really look at it objectively it simply is not the case.

Looking at it objectively includes having context or some frame of reference for comparison.

Please show me 5 teams (and their picks) who have clearly drafted better than Dallas during that same time frame.

If you can't, then recognize that we've performed at a high level in the draft recently.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

It didn't...... Carroll signing had 0 impact

I explained how it how an impact. How did it not?

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Let's check that out to see if it's true.

2011
1(9) Tyron Smith T USC
2(40) Bruce Carter LB North Carolina
3(71) DeMarco Murray RB Oklahoma
4(110) David Arkin G Missouri St.
5(143) Josh Thomas CB Buffalo
6(176) Dwayne Harris WR East Carolina
7(220) Shaun Chapas FB Georgia
7(252) Bill Nagy G Wisconsin

Two studs in Smith and Murray and not much else. They whiffed on their 2nd round pick and on day 3 of the draft they completely struck out minus a decent return man.

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2013
1(31) Travis Frederick C Wisconsin
2(47) Gavin Escobar TE San Diego St.
3(74) Terrance Williams WR Baylor
3(80) J.J. Wilcox S Georgia Southern
4(114) B.W. Webb CB William &Mary
5(151) Joseph Randle RB Oklahoma St.
6(185) Devonte Holloman LB South Carolina

Frederick speaks for itself. Williams is an okay 2/3 in the league. Wilcox never developed. Another whiff 2nd round pick and nothing on day 3.

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2014
1(16) Zack Martin G Notre Dame
2(34) DeMarcus Lawrence DE Boise St.
4(119) Anthony Hitchens LB Iowa
5(146) Devin Street WR Pittsburgh
7(231) Ben Gardner DE Stanford
7(238) Will Smith LB Texas Tech
7(248) Ahmad Dixon S Baylor
7(251) Ken Bishop DT Northern Illinois
7(254) Terrance Mitchell CB Oregon

Martin's an All Pro. Lawrence has 1 great year out of 4. Hitchens is just a guy and the only other player worth anything in that group turned into a player for the Chiefs.

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2016
1(4) Ezekiel Elliott RB Ohio St.
2(34) Jaylon Smith LB Notre Dame
3(67) Maliek Collins DT Nebraska
4(101) Charles Tapper DE Oklahoma
4(135) Rayne Prescott QB Mississippi St.
6(189) Anthony Brown CB Purdue
6(212) Kavon Frazier S Central Michigan
6(216) Darrius Jackson RB Eastern Michigan
6(217) Rico Gathers PF Baylor

Everybody's OMG epic class that took a giant step back in year 2. There's no denying Zeke. He's a generational talent. Prescott's flaws and lack of skill were exposed. Collins and Brown regressed. Smith is still in a brace and a fraction of the player he was in college. Rico's making records. Tapper's in hospice. Hey, you got a nice special teams ace and box safety in the 6th round. The reports of this class' greatness have been greatly exaggerated.


The Cowboys have drafted well lately if, and only if, you want to believe that. If you really look at it objectively it simply is not the case.

What what an insanely ignorant undersell of the '14 and '16 drafts.

Im almost impressed.

 

[Captain43Crash]

You do know, that Dak was a 4th round pick and Cliff Harris aka "Captain Crash" went undrafted even though it was 17 rounds back in 1970. Of all people, you should know there is value past the 3rd round of the draft.

Cole Beasley, Jeff Heath, David Irving, Keith Smith, Rod Smith, Blake Jarwin, Dan Bailey, Chris Jones and Ladouceur all went undrafted, not to mention La'el Collins. I expect 3rd day picks Switzer, Gathers, A. Brown, Tapper, Frazier, Woods, Swaim, N. Brown to all be contributors this coming season. I would mention Scandrick, Wilbur, Wilson, Hitchens and Hanna too, but not sure they will be back, especially with more young talent on the way.

You have a pretty good point, but my point is, even though we do hit on lower round picks on occasion,again let’s say 5% of our later round picks end up starting for us, our earlier picks start for us, say around 50-60% of the time. We have a much higher probability of picking starters in rounds 1-3 than rounds 4-7. Recently we have been doing a little better with our later round picks. Dak and of course Captain Crash were 2 awesome late round picks.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

No but whichever QB they draft will be bought in by Jerry in 5 years.

Lol, true enough

 

[Corso]

You have a pretty good point, but my point is, even though we do hit on lower round picks on occasion,again let’s say 5% of our later round picks end up starting for us, our earlier picks start for us, say around 50-60% of the time. We have a much higher probability of picking starters in rounds 1-3 than rounds 4-7. Recently we have been doing a little better with our later round picks. Dak and of course Captain Crash were 2 awesome late round picks.

What about quality depth? Not every player is going to be a starter...

 

[AbeBeta]

The Carrol signing?
It might not have negated a comp pick, but theres a good chance it lowered our comp pick.

The Carrol signing negated the McClain loss, and likely lowered our comp pick from McClain to Claiborne.

Is there that much of a diffeence that late in the draft? You'd hope not.

It negated what would have been our lower of two 6ths. If you are correct - and I think you aren't as Carrol was more like a 7th.

Most prediction put McClain below Mo. Mc had a higher yearly pay but that gets adjusted for playing time. Mo missed only one game. McClain missed four and was only getting 30 snaps per game. Mo was a starter and your starting CB generally takes nearly all the snaps

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

It negated what would have been our lower of two 6ths. If you are correct - and I think you aren't as Carrol was more like a 7th.

Most prediction put McClain below Mo. Mc had a higher yearly pay but that gets adjusted for playing time. Mo missed only one game. McClain missed four and was only getting 30 snaps per game. Mo was a starter and your starting CB generally takes nearly all the snaps

Carroll was more like a 7th based on what exactly? Not AAV.

Agreed on the CBs taking more snaps, and they tale that into account in comp picks. Dlineman on average take 1/2 of their CB counterparts.

Neither player garnered any accolades to improve their comp pick.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Carroll and Paea were erased from the equation because they didn't finish the season

But even if they counted they would not have erased a 5th or 6th round pick....they were 7th round guys and we lost plenty of them

We lost 10 qualifiers and signed 2 if you count Paea who retired...... the max Comp picks you can get is 4

According to last year they had 12- 3rd round comps but only 4 this year....... Church could have easily been a 4 and Claiborne a 5 but they gave out 12- 6th round comps this year instead

 

[Gameover]

Looking at it objectively includes having context or some frame of reference for comparison.

Please show me 5 teams (and their picks) who have clearly drafted better than Dallas during that same time frame.

If you can't, then recognize that we've performed at a high level in the draft recently.

You don’t have 12 and 13 win seasons by accident. That’s all the proof he should need.

 

[Floatyworm]

Well, I still like his measurables. Besides, he's a tallish player, and, from what I see, his speed is very good for a guy his size. I could see him as a deep threat for us which allows us to use Dez Bryant like the 49ers did with TO. Thus, allowing us to go to a run balanced-WCO. That is an offense that we used early in Dak's career, and it worked. Dak is a QB who benefits from the WCO, and Linehan is a coach that should be able to do it. TO didn't hinder the WCO in SFO, and neither should Dez.

Cedric Wilson is not a deep threat..I'll be shocked if he breaks 4.5 in the 40 @ the combine.

 

[Torturedcowboysfan]

The nfl has it in for Jerry. Goodell has been screwing Jerry all year. He over penalized Zeke. We had a bunch of calls go against us. Plus, the Eagles won the Super Bowl and had a catch rule a td that was incomplete for Dez. It was a statement.
We'll have to be waaaayy better than everyone else to win.
PS The superbowls ratings were kind of low.

 

[cowboy_ron]

You don’t have 12 and 13 win seasons by accident. That’s all the proof he should need.

Garrett does.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Cedric Wilson is not a deep threat..I'll be shocked if he breaks 4.5 in the 40 @ the combine.

That's strange, because a lot of the highlights that I've seen show him beating DBs deep. Though, I'll continue to look for potentially fast players.