News: ST: It's on: Jerry Jones to fight reimbursing the NFL more than $2 million in legal fees

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I've studied the futility of perpetual motion extensively in Physics.

Lawyers suing other lawyers for legal fees is about as close as you can come in the practical world.
 

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I admit that seems a little screwy but what I find more asinine is that every official that worked every Cowboy game were all on some secret payroll not to call opponents holding calls. Were they also told to throw us a bone here and there when penalties went our way? Are they also part of the NFL secret society of officials that costs the Chargers a playoff game? Did we not get away with any penalties? Did they decide they would penalize the Seahawks more than any other team this year because they don’t like Pete Carroll?
You've just described the overall incompetence of NFL officials. I'm talking about the deliberate handling of the Dallas Cowboys. The no holding streak cemented it for me. If you don't believe it, that's cool.
 
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Who's got the ego. The league's legal fees would be about 60-70K per team! And why would this issue be made public in the first place. Pretty obvious the league is trying to embarrass one of their own, (the one who makes them the most money too), for challenging their "we'll do what we want" mentality with Zeke and Goodell's quickie contract negotiations.
 
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I agree with you about how Al is remembered, but that is really a function of recency bias. Most people remember more recent occurrences easier than those that have happened long ago. I actually have a ton of respect for Al Davis, and it is because of the positive things that you have you cited above.

Regarding Jerry, let's be honest, he will never win another SB. As long as he is around this team won't win, barring a major paradigm shift on his part, and we both know that will never happen.

To me, the big difference between Al Davis and Jerry, with regards to the NFL, is that the NFL knew Al was a Football guy. They have never believed that Jerry was. Great business man and all of this kind of stuff but they have never accepted him as a real NFL guy. That's the difference IMO.
 

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Who's got the ego. The league's legal fees would be about 60-70K per team! And why would this issue be made public in the first place. Pretty obvious the league is trying to embarrass one of their own, (the one who makes them the most money too), for challenging their "we'll do what we want" mentality with Zeke and Goodell's quickie contract negotiations.

The league is trying to send a message, I agree. But, lets be real here, Jerry was flat stupid to take the position he did, with regards to Zeke. IMO, he should have counselled Zeke to accept the suspension and negotiated a lessor penalty. That was, IMO, a deal that could have been made. Instead, he went the other way on a situation that he could not win and put Goodell in a position where he was challenged publicly. That is not the way you want to go with Goodell IMO. Now, this is the result and this is 100% on Jerry IMO.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that the League was right or wrong with how they did this with Zeke, there are way too many opinions on either side of this issue but, Jerry was completely wrong in how he managed it, from a team perspective point of view, IMO.
 

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so Jerrys going to spend 2 million in lawyers fees to fight 2 million in fees. Lawyers will love it, stretch it out as long as possible for even more fees and be the only winners
 

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The league is trying to send a message, I agree. But, lets be real here, Jerry was flat stupid to take the position he did, with regards to Zeke. IMO, he should have counselled Zeke to accept the suspension and negotiated a lessor penalty. That was, IMO, a deal that could have been made. Instead, he went the other way on a situation that he could not win and put Goodell in a position where he was challenged publicly. That is not the way you want to go with Goodell IMO. Now, this is the result and this is 100% on Jerry IMO.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that the League was right or wrong with how they did this with Zeke, there are way too many opinions on either side of this issue but, Jerry was completely wrong in how he managed it, from a team perspective point of view, IMO.
Yeah real dumb trying to help your Franchise player that is getting railroaded

Not buying that for a second and you shouldn't be selling it
 

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It is all a show, Jerry will end up paying the "fine". Jerry has been served and put in his place by people who matter more.
 

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Goodell is becoming one of my favorite guys in sports taking on one of the biggest narcissist egos we’ve seen in NFL history.

Jerry thinks he’s bigger than the league .

Jerry needs a timeout . I’d say a year away from attending games might get his attention.
Goodell is a moron, but he'd become my favorite person in the world if he could force Jerry to sell the team.
 

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Yeah real dumb trying to help your Franchise player that is getting railroaded

Not buying that for a second and you shouldn't be selling it

That's your opinion. This one is mine. When this is all said and done with, Jerry will either pay now or pay later and if it's later, it's another distraction the team will have to deal with

You can like it or not, either way, the league don't care.

BTW, how much did Jerry manage to help Zeke on this whole thing?
 

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That's your opinion. This one is mine. When this is all said and done with, Jerry will either pay now or pay later and if it's later, it's another distraction the team will have to deal with

You can like it or not, either way, the league don't care.

BTW, how much did Jerry manage to help Zeke on this whole thing?
Don't take such strong opinions if you don't want blowback

You said it was flat out stupid for JJones to help Zeke...... that is a radical position....'just take your 6 games and move on Son'.......Kraft tried that with Brady and regretted it ever since

Zeke almost "won" so it was worth the fight....... if it stayed in Texas he would have won..... just exposing Goodell's witchhunt was worth it........... 'bend over and take another' is not an honorable defense
 

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Don't take such strong opinions if you don't want blowback

You said it was flat out stupid for JJones to help Zeke...... that is a radical position....'just take your 6 games and move on Son'.......Kraft tried that with Brady and regretted it ever since

Zeke almost "won" so it was worth the fight....... if it stayed in Texas he would have won..... just exposing Goodell's witchhunt was worth it........... 'bend over and take another' is not an honorable defense


Considering it was beyond the scope of football I applaud the loyalty Jerry displayed.
 

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The sooner we rid ourselves of Jerry the sooner Cowboys Football will become successful again.

This is one of those situations we should be rooting for the league not Jerry.

Do we really want Jerry to turn the league into what he’s done to the Cowboys?
Do we really want the bigger idiot who happens to be running the league make these kind of moves? Nope....
 

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Don't take such strong opinions if you don't want blowback

You said it was flat out stupid for JJones to help Zeke...... that is a radical position....'just take your 6 games and move on Son'.......Kraft tried that with Brady and regretted it ever since

Zeke almost "won" so it was worth the fight....... if it stayed in Texas he would have won..... just exposing Goodell's witchhunt was worth it........... 'bend over and take another' is not an honorable defense

I will take whatever opinion I like. You don't like the answer. Nobody is worried about your "blowback". Like the league, I don't much care either. What I said is true. You can believe it or not. Either way, in a few month, I will not hear from you on this and that will be fine.

Jerry will pay, now or later and the longer he waits, the bigger story it becomes. All of that is true and doesn't matter how much you want to argue that point. That's what will happen.

I will tell you this thou, your entire post is an example of what happens when you don't bother to read. I never said that Jerry was stupid for helping Zeke. I said that Jerry was stupid for taking the position he did in this thing. I will ask you again, exactly how much did Jerry help Zeke in all of this? The original suspension was 6 games. What did Zeke end up doing?

You say that "Zeke almost won" but how can you know this? Nothing that I ever saw, from day one, convinced me that Jerry had a snowballs chance in hell of winning that and a lot of people who were paying attention called that from the outset. Change of venue didn't help but it doesn't really matter, it was eventually going to get overturned anyway because the law was very clear on this issue. The CBA is what matters and there was no proof that the terms outline in that were violated.

You say that exposing the "witchhunt" was worth the entire thing. Well, here is what I will tell you about that. Those who believe it was a witchhunt, didn't need it to be exposed. They already knew what it was, long before any of this happened. Those who don't believe that, are no more convinced today that it was, then they were before. So where, exactly, is the worth?

Jerry could have counseled Zeke to work with the NFL and get a reduction in games. He could have helped to negotiate that but that didn't happen. Now, the usual response that you get when you suggest this is, "What kind of man admits to something he didn't do?" I would say that if that's the position you want to take, that's fine but smoothing that over is where Jerry could have helped. Instead, he took a position that he could not win and it helped nothing. It only hurt the team. Jerry's job, as GM and owner is not to fight a crusade on behalf of one player IMO. His job is to help the team win championships IMO. What he did last year did not help that goal, at all.

Have a holy war if you wish but it's not going to matter, any more then it did before. The same folks who didn't want to hear that argument will not care. The League will not care and Jerry will eventually pay. That is my opinion.
 

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I will take whatever opinion I like. You don't like the answer. Nobody is worried about your "blowback". Like the league, I don't much care either. What I said is true. You can believe it or not. Either way, in a few month, I will not hear from you on this and that will be fine.

Jerry will pay, now or later and the longer he waits, the bigger story it becomes. All of that is true and doesn't matter how much you want to argue that point. That's what will happen.

I will tell you this thou, your entire post is an example of what happens when you don't bother to read. I never said that Jerry was stupid for helping Zeke. I said that Jerry was stupid for taking the position he did in this thing. I will ask you again, exactly how much did Jerry help Zeke in all of this? The original suspension was 6 games. What did Zeke end up doing?

You say that "Zeke almost won" but how can you know this? Nothing that I ever saw, from day one, convinced me that Jerry had a snowballs chance in hell of winning that and a lot of people who were paying attention called that from the outset. Change of venue didn't help but it doesn't really matter, it was eventually going to get overturned anyway because the law was very clear on this issue. The CBA is what matters and there was no proof that the terms outline in that were violated.

You say that exposing the "witchhunt" was worth the entire thing. Well, here is what I will tell you about that. Those who believe it was a witchhunt, didn't need it to be exposed. They already knew what it was, long before any of this happened. Those who don't believe that, are no more convinced today that it was, then they were before. So where, exactly, is the worth?

Jerry could have counseled Zeke to work with the NFL and get a reduction in games. He could have helped to negotiate that but that didn't happen. Now, the usual response that you get when you suggest this is, "What kind of man admits to something he didn't do?" I would say that if that's the position you want to take, that's fine but smoothing that over is where Jerry could have helped. Instead, he took a position that he could not win and it helped nothing. It only hurt the team. Jerry's job, as GM and owner is not to fight a crusade on behalf of one player IMO. His job is to help the team win championships IMO. What he did last year did not help that goal, at all.

Have a holy war if you wish but it's not going to matter, any more then it did before. The same folks who didn't want to hear that argument will not care. The League will not care and Jerry will eventually pay. That is my opinion.
Blah blah blah.........wall of words doesn't buttress your case

Don't know what you mean about not hearing me in another month but I will just pass it off as the ramblings of someone that yells at the clouds all day
 

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Blah blah blah.........wall of words doesn't buttress your case

Don't know what you mean about not hearing me in another month but I will just pass it off as the ramblings of someone that yells at the clouds all day

I'm not making a case. I'm saying exactly what happened. Like I said, nobody cares if you believe that or not.
 
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