Twitter: Competition Committee says Dez caught it **merged**

[BlindFaith]

Percy Howard is killing it.

Go read the 140+ pages of the other thread and get back to me. I'm not discussing rules again with the uninformed. Marcus is doing fine.

And I find it numerous that the emotional blowhards here seem to think 99.9% of fans think they blew the call. Polls were done at the time and the majority of fans actually think they got the call right. But carry on.

 

[glimmerman]

It was a catch and bs rule. All this stuff I was told the NFL was doing to make it a more exciting passing league with more scoring to attract more viewers and they have a rule like this.

 

[BlindFaith]

That is a valid concern. A receiver establishing control with two feet inbounds equals catch. It should become one of, if not the most briefly worded entries in the NFL rulebook.

It was exactly that way in 2007-2010. But going to the ground remained. And has been in there since at least the early 90's.

Changing this rule has been a consistent effort since.

 

[blindzebra]

Go read the 140+ pages of the other thread and get back to me. I'm not discussing rules again with the uninformed. Marcus is doing fine.

And I find it numerous that the emotional blowhards here seem to think 99.9% of fans think they blew the call. Polls were done at the time and the majority of fans actually think they got the call right. But carry on.

The one where you swore up and down how the case play meant nothing when going to the ground and then adopted it to fit your agenda. That thread? Percy and I from day one stated an act common to the game ended Item 1 and now read the article in post 632 where Blandino said putting a hand down ended it.

 

[percyhoward]

“The intent of A.R. 8.12 is that the receiver becomes a runner by putting his arm down and lunging for the goal line,” NFL vice president of officiating Dean Blandino said."

This is why they had to do major surgery on A.R. 15.95 -- because it awarded a catch to a player who lunged for the line to gain, but it said nothing about the player putting his arm down first. A.R. 15.95 called the lunge an "act common to the game" that was separate from the catch process, meaning he didn't have to survive the ground because he'd met the time requirement and become a runner. Sound like any play we've seen before?

2014
A.R. 15.95
Act common to game
Third-&-10 on A20. Pass over the middle is ruled incomplete at the A30. The receiver controlled the pass with one foot down and was then contacted by a defender. As he went to the ground, he got his 2nd foot down and then still in control of the ball he lunged for the line to gain, losing the ball when he landed.
Ruling: Reviewable. Completed pass. A’s ball first-and-10 on A30.
In this situation, the act of lunging is not part of the process of the catch. He has completed the time element required for the pass to be complete and does not have to hold onto the ball when he hits the ground. When he hit the ground, he was down by contact.

2015
A.R. 15.95
Does not become runner prior to going to ground
Third-and-10 on A20. Pass over the middle is ruled incomplete at the A30. The receiver controlled the pass with one foot down and was then contacted by a defender. As he went to the ground, he got his 2nd foot down and then, still in control of the ball, he reached out for the line to gain, losing the ball when he landed.
Ruling: Reviewable. Incomplete pass. A’s ball first-and-10 on A20.
In this situation, the receiver had not clearly become a runner before going to the ground. In order to complete the catch, he must maintain control until after his initial contact with the ground. The act of reaching out with the ball does not trump the requirement to maintain control of the ball when he lands.​

Here's why the old A.R. 15.95 had to go:
It said a player could complete the catch process and become a runner, even while falling (In the old A.R. 15.95, the player didn't get his second foot down until he was already falling).
It said a player could complete the catch process and become a runner by performing an act common to the game, even while falling.

In 2015, when they got rid of the football move and required the player to be upright in order to complete the catch process, that necessitated either getting rid of A.R. 15.95 or changing it to fit their new catch rule. So they changed it, taking out "act common to the game." They also needed to make it clear that a reach would no longer be considered an act that established a player as a runner (as of 24 hours after the overturn), so they replaced "lunge" with "reach."

If they don't make wholesale changes to this case play for 2015, then they'd still have a scenario in the case book that would confirm a catch in Green Bay.

 

[Soth]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-netwo...00000246515/Calvin-Johnson-rule-strikes-again
No lunge. Reach

Wow, the Denver play they showed looks A LOT like the Dez play. Blandino says the Denver player was not going to the ground but he was stumbling. His knees were almost touching the ground and then he just reached for the goal line.

Look at that play and tell me that the Denver receiver would have been able to keep running another 10 yards. No way. He was falling to the ground, but the two steps and reach were enough for Blandino.

On plays like this, the referee can go either way and support his position. These are plays that are right at the line between catch and non-catch and you can essentially support both sides. Blandino was under fire for the whole situation with Jerry and it really was not beneficial for him to appear to be biased in favor of the Cowboys.

I just think that when you face calls like this that are so close, you should just go with the call on the field.

 

[BlindFaith]

So him saying based on what Blandino told the competition committee I guess it was correct is proof that it was? Oh brother that is funny.

Yeah, I'm sure that Jones just took Blandinos opinion of it. It's not like He's on the Competition Committee or anything. Oh wait...

 

[BlindFaith]

You would get destroyed. And we would not be proving conspiracy we'd be showing how the rule was misapplied.

Yes, you would. Because the experts have already ruled. You would have to prove that they all conspired together to not enforce the rule as YOU believe it should have been.

And who again are your expert witnesses again? Mr C and Nate? Or other emotional cowboys fans that have no understanding of the rules?

 

[KJJ]

No the rule doesn’t say that. The opposition in this argument has conceded that to be true.
Blandino says it in this video that they will no longer address because it makes it all very clear.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/0ap2000000246515/Calvin-Johnson-rule-
strikes-again

Blandino on the Calvin Johnson play in the video:
“If you can perform all parts-in that order-you have a catch. If —NOT— and you’re going to the ground you have to maintain possession.”
“He did not have both feet down prior to the reach so this is all one process.”

Johnson is without a doubt going to the ground. Your argument is no longer a point of contention.

Blandino said the same thing I just said and have been saying. According to him a receiver can’t perform all parts if a receiver is going to the ground in the process of making a catch. Going to the ground occurs in one piece. That explanation from Blandino was from several years ago. He’s explained the catch play numerous times. His explanations are always a little different but they’re basically the same thing.

He’s always maintained if the receiver is going to the ground during the process of making the catch they must survive the ground with the ball. In other explanations Blandino made it more clear that steps, lunges, changing hands with the ball doesn’t matter if a receiver is going to the ground during the catch process, they must survive the ground with the ball.

 

[BlindFaith]

The one where you swore up and down how the case play meant nothing when going to the ground and then adopted it to fit your agenda. That thread? Percy and I from day one stated an act common to the game ended Item 1 and now read the article in post 632 where Blandino said putting a hand down ended it.

This is where I take issue with you. Yes, I did not understand fully of how AR 15 fit into the picture exactly. But unlike you or Percy, I studied the other case plays. Used logic and reasoning. If you put AR 15 in context with 8.12 and 8.13 you see the intent.

I presented all of this. It corroborates what the NFLs position is. Is it clear and plain and easy to understand? Not to someone casually trying to understand the rule. And it needs to be better written.

 

[BlindFaith]

This is why they had to do major surgery on A.R. 15.95 -- because it awarded a catch to a player who lunged for the line to gain, but it said nothing about the player putting his arm down first. A.R. 15.95 called the lunge an "act common to the game" that was separate from the catch process, meaning he didn't have to survive the ground because he'd met the time requirement and become a runner. Sound like any play we've seen before?

2014
A.R. 15.95
Act common to game
Third-&-10 on A20. Pass over the middle is ruled incomplete at the A30. The receiver controlled the pass with one foot down and was then contacted by a defender. As he went to the ground, he got his 2nd foot down and then still in control of the ball he lunged for the line to gain, losing the ball when he landed.
Ruling: Reviewable. Completed pass. A’s ball first-and-10 on A30.
In this situation, the act of lunging is not part of the process of the catch. He has completed the time element required for the pass to be complete and does not have to hold onto the ball when he hits the ground. When he hit the ground, he was down by contact.

2015
A.R. 15.95
Does not become runner prior to going to ground
Third-and-10 on A20. Pass over the middle is ruled incomplete at the A30. The receiver controlled the pass with one foot down and was then contacted by a defender. As he went to the ground, he got his 2nd foot down and then, still in control of the ball, he reached out for the line to gain, losing the ball when he landed.
Ruling: Reviewable. Incomplete pass. A’s ball first-and-10 on A20.
In this situation, the receiver had not clearly become a runner before going to the ground. In order to complete the catch, he must maintain control until after his initial contact with the ground. The act of reaching out with the ball does not trump the requirement to maintain control of the ball when he lands.​

Here's why the old A.R. 15.95 had to go:
It said a player could complete the catch process and become a runner, even while falling (In the old A.R. 15.95, the player didn't get his second foot down until he was already falling).
It said a player could complete the catch process and become a runner by performing an act common to the game, even while falling.

In 2015, when they got rid of the football move and required the player to be upright in order to complete the catch process, that necessitated either getting rid of A.R. 15.95 or changing it to fit their new catch rule. So they changed it, taking out "act common to the game." They also needed to make it clear that a reach would no longer be considered an act that established a player as a runner (as of 24 hours after the overturn), so they replaced "lunge" with "reach."

If they don't make wholesale changes to this case play for 2015, then they'd still have a scenario in the case book that would confirm a catch in Green Bay.

Thanks for the cut and paste. You're a virtual copy machine.

 

[blindzebra]

Yes, you would. Because the experts have already ruled. You would have to prove that they all conspired together to not enforce the rule as YOU believe it should have been.

And who again are your expert witnesses again? Mr C and Nate? Or other emotional cowboys fans that have no understanding of the rules?

And yours, Blandino who was so bad at his job he no longer has it, who put himself in a compromising position with the party bus? Pereira who has done a complete 180 on his earlier comments. Yeah, that will be hard to overcome.

I could get countless for players, coaches, and officials.

Plus the rule is already on my side, because an act common to the game ends Item 1.

 

[KJJ]

Thanks for the cut and paste. You're a virtual copy machine.

Cut and paste is all he does. lol He’s got a huge folder put away with all his Dez material from previous Dez catch threads. Just cut and paste.

 

[Gator88]

Yes, you would. Because the experts have already ruled. You would have to prove that they all conspired together to not enforce the rule as YOU believe it should have been.

And who again are your expert witnesses again? Mr C and Nate? Or other emotional cowboys fans that have no understanding of the rules?

The Packers CB Dez was against in that play? He's much more unbiased than anybody from the upper management of the league.

 

[blindzebra]

This is where I take issue with you. Yes, I did not understand fully of how AR 15 fit into the picture exactly. But unlike you or Percy, I studied the other case plays. Used logic and reasoning. If you put AR 15 in context with 8.12 and 8.13 you see the intent.

I presented all of this. It corroborates what the NFLs position is. Is it clear and plain and easy to understand? Not to someone casually trying to understand the rule. And it needs to be better written.

BS, it fits your opinion. We have stated all along that case plays can not all be covered, and if this magical lunge existed why can't you ever find a rule citation to support it?

The rule clearly states time to perform ANY ACT common to the game. Not a gather and a lunge. Find a rule citation then we will talk. Marcus ran from this, I am sure you will too. My side has 8.1.3.c and 3.2.7 to corroborate my stance. You have some dreamed up scenario built around your opinion.

While we are at it explain why Blandino himself said a hand down is a football act in the article in post 632. You and I both know Dez did a hell of a lot more than that including putting a hand down in GB.

 

[blindzebra]

Cut and paste is all he does. lol He’s got a huge folder put away with all his Dez material from previous Dez catch threads. Just cut and paste.

Go away, you still claim nothing ends going to the ground. Your input is no longer needed, you were wrong and have been since day one.

 

[blindzebra]

This is where I take issue with you. Yes, I did not understand fully of how AR 15 fit into the picture exactly. But unlike you or Percy, I studied the other case plays. Used logic and reasoning. If you put AR 15 in context with 8.12 and 8.13 you see the intent.

I presented all of this. It corroborates what the NFLs position is. Is it clear and plain and easy to understand? Not to someone casually trying to understand the rule. And it needs to be better written.

We supplied the case plays to you, so yeah we had no idea what they said.

You guys had no idea about anything when this started. If nothing else we taught you where to look. Sadly, you still have no idea how to interpret what you find/

 

[KJJ]

Go away, you still claim nothing ends going to the ground. Your input is no longer needed, you were wrong and have been since day one.

You need to go away before you get kicked out of this thread. You’re nothing but trouble. If I was wrong they wouldn’t be talking about getting rid of the “going to the ground part of the rule.”

 

[blindzebra]

Blandino said the same thing I just said and have been saying. According to him a receiver can’t perform all parts if a receiver is going to the ground in the process of making a catch. Going to the ground occurs in one piece. That explanation from Blandino was from several years ago. He’s explained the catch play numerous times. His explanations are always a little different but they’re basically the same thing.

He’s always maintained if the receiver is going to the ground during the process of making the catch they must survive the ground with the ball. In other explanations Blandino made it more clear that steps, lunges, changing hands with the ball doesn’t matter if a receiver is going to the ground during the catch process, they must survive the ground with the ball.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2015/10/01/pelissero-catch-rule-tyler-eifert/73166492/

“The intent of this (approved ruling) is that the receiver becomes a runner by putting his arm down and lunging for the goal line,” NFL vice president of officiating Dean Blandino said in a statement through Signora.

 

[blindzebra]

You need to go away before you get kicked out of this thread. You’re nothing but trouble.

“The intent of this (approved ruling) is that the receiver becomes a runner by putting his arm down and lunging for the goal line,” NFL vice president of officiating Dean Blandino said in a statement through Signora.