News: PFT: Randy Gregory ready to apply for reinstatement

[zrinkill]

That's including preseason I am assuming.

Nope

 

[DHCBF66]

& a perennial HoFer. Let's also include that while we're making comparions.

A better comparison IMO is Aldon Smith.

So it's OK to do coke if you are a HOFer but your not a HOFer your a low life scum for smoking weed and do not deserve a 2nd chance?

 

[Cowboys22]

The stupidity of some in this thread is hilarious.

I never understand why some fans take things so personally. Some here have a bizarre visceral hate for Gregory and would rather see him fail so I guess they can justify their bizarre feelings.

There’s no downside here. If he gets cleared and he can’t play, then you are no worse then than you are now.

I do agree that some take the negativity to extremes at times and I can be guilty of that as well but there is a potential downside here. Look, I’m rooting for the kid. I hope he has his life turned around for good and realizes his full potential in a Dallas uniform. However, if he comes back, works himself into shape, and actually plays well enough to warrant a roster spot, then it comes down to how much the team truely trusts him coupled with who has to be cut to give him a spot. He may have been clean for a year and now has his bipolar meds in balance but all that came without the stress and rigors of being an NFL player. Will he relapse at some point? Will the stress be too much? Does the team feel he is worth the risk?

If no one of consequence has to be cut for him to make the roster, then of course go for it. I’m just not convinced right now the team is going to feel the same way and trust him with a roster spot over some player they just drafted and really want to keep.

 

[diefree666]

I do agree that some take the negativity to extremes at times and I can be guilty of that as well but there is a potential downside here. Look, I’m rooting for the kid. I hope he has his life turned around for good and realizes his full potential in a Dallas uniform. However, if he comes back, works himself into shape, and actually plays well enough to warrant a roster spot, then it comes down to how much the team truely trusts him coupled with who has to be cut to give him a spot. He may have been clean for a year and now has his bipolar meds in balance but all that came without the stress and rigors of being an NFL player. Will he relapse at some point? Will the stress be too much? Does the team feel he is worth the risk?

If no one of consequence has to be cut for him to make the roster, then of course go for it. I’m just not convinced right now the team is going to feel the same way and trust him with a roster spot over some player they just drafted and really want to keep.

That is what it all comes down to. Can you really trust him to stay clean once the season is on and all the pressures of playing in the NFL come down on him?

 

[AbeBeta]

I always have a problem calling something a disease when many people turn away from it without any help at all. to me if you can say
"Today I will stop this" and hold to it then calling it a disease is wrong.

Robust ignorance.

Some people can turn away without help. They don't have the disease.

 

[glimmerman]

Let’s see if he makes it to TC. He will have to show the FO something to get in this roster. Is he in shape? Can he play. It will be like starting over for him.

 

[diefree666]

Robust ignorance.

Some people can turn away without help. They don't have the disease.

But many can- so how can it be a disease when a person can simply walk away from it. Show me where they can medically prove its a disease and those that can walk away from it don't have it.

But then you sound like an enabler anyway

 

[AbeBeta]

Aren't you the guy who said he had mental problems and thats why he smoked pot?

Now you have changed it to a weed addiction?

The two things are not independent.

His mental health issues likely drive his dependence on drugs. Dual diagnosed are incredibly common

 

[AbeBeta]

But many can- so how can it be a disease when a person can simply walk away from it. Show me where they can medically prove its a disease and those that can walk away from it don't have it.

But then you sound like an enabler anyway

Addiction is a disease. It is medically recognized as such.

It is embarrassing that in 2018, people still prefer a narrative that paints sick people as weak.

 

[Stash]

10th time is a charm, right?

You only truly fail when you quit trying.

 

[Supercowboy1986]

Ok so on average, how many sacks does a good DE (take your pick, preferably a high 2nd rounder or low 1st rounder) get in 310 snaps?

Obviously it’s going to be more than one, I just need a ballpark figure of how many sacks theoretically RG should have in 310 snaps.

310 snaps ...... about 22 snaps/game played

 

[Sydla]

I am embarrassed for some here and their overall ignorance.

 

[Daillest88]

Imagine if he actually turns it around, on the opposite side of Lawrence and Irving, man

 

[jrumann59]

So he has 1 lb of weed locked in locker somewhere he needs to finish....

 

[jrumann59]

No harm in letting this young man get a second chance. We aren’t counting on him at all and he may not even make the final 46 on game day but he’s better than most camp bodies.

technically this is more like his 3rd or fourth.

 

[HungryLion]

Ok so on average, how many sacks does a good DE (take your pick, preferably a high 2nd rounder or low 1st rounder) get in 310 snaps?

Obviously it’s going to be more than one, I just need a ballpark figure of how many sacks theoretically RG should have in 310 snaps.

We have to also remember that MOST of those snaps, 12 of those games are when he was a rookie. AND he suffered a high ankle sprain and wasn’t fully healthy most of his rookie season.

I’m not making excuses but just pointing out those facts.

Is Gregory guaranteed to be any good, even if he stay clean? Of course not. But his physical skills are still elite. His “lack of production” as an injured rookie doesn’t necessarily mean anything.

Obviously the odds are against him. But who knows?

 

[glimmerman]

I wish him luck. If it works out then good for him and us. I am expecting nothing. 1 more failed test and he is done for good from the NFL. Talk about waiting till the last second.

 

[jazzcat22]

I do agree that some take the negativity to extremes at times and I can be guilty of that as well but there is a potential downside here. Look, I’m rooting for the kid. I hope he has his life turned around for good and realizes his full potential in a Dallas uniform. However, if he comes back, works himself into shape, and actually plays well enough to warrant a roster spot, then it comes down to how much the team truely trusts him coupled with who has to be cut to give him a spot. He may have been clean for a year and now has his bipolar meds in balance but all that came without the stress and rigors of being an NFL player. Will he relapse at some point? Will the stress be too much? Does the team feel he is worth the risk?

If no one of consequence has to be cut for him to make the roster, then of course go for it. I’m just not convinced right now the team is going to feel the same way and trust him with a roster spot over some player they just drafted and really want to keep.

And that player he would be pushing off the roster would be some UDFA or some FA they signed right before TC. Not a draft pick from this year, unless that draft pick in all likely hood was a 7th round PS player at best anyway.

You seem to have this thinking that all 53 players are top of the mill NFL caliber type players. When in fact the bottom 3, all east on every team would be replaced with a player with 1st round potential such as Gregory.

And the team trusts has nothing to do with it. They would take that risk. Because if he does not work out, there are hundreds of players to take his spot that would be inactive each week, and on the bubble himself to be replaced at any moment.

And yes, he is worth that risk.

 

[jrumann59]

Everyone loves a good comeback story. Sea biscuit, Mighty Ducks, Robert Downey Jr, Rocky.....Kim Kardashian

Different type of come back.....

 

[HungryLion]

But many can- so how can it be a disease when a person can simply walk away from it. Show me where they can medically prove its a disease and those that can walk away from it don't have it.

But then you sound like an enabler anyway

Your post, shows a lack of understanding about how chemical dependence has an affect on the brain. Chemical dependence’s can cause chemical changes in the brain, as well as changes in a persons thought patterns. For people who are addicts, you can’t just simply treat their disease by “just stopping” whatever drug they are using. Long term treatment of the disease requires addressing the changes that have been made to the persons body and mind as well.

One way to look at it:

Say somebody smokes cigarettes for decades. They develop lung cancer as a result. They can stop smoking cigarettes but that cancer will remain. The cancer needs to be treated for it to be cured.

It’s the same with addicts. It’s not just about “just stop using the drug”. You have to address the underlying changes to their brains, in order for them to be cured of the mental addiction, the mental reasons that lead them to want to use and keep using.