Video: Why Dak is the most accurate. NFL Network

[Hennessy_King]

Again- irrelevant. I'm talking about the inherent flaw with the stat itself. Not Dak. Not the WRs.

So you don't believe a stat that shows the receiver has less than 1 yard of separation should be counted as a small window throw? I don't understand. If I remember from the old site weren't you always riding romo's nuts? Could also explain why you don't care about this stat.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Aikman went on to become one of the league's most accurate passers for his time but he wasn't his fist 2 seasons

That's true, but Aikman came to a team that clearly was in re-building mode, Dak came to a team that just 2 years before was 12-4 and won a playoff game. Aikman had to deal with a lot less talent (other than Irvin) overall.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Again- irrelevant. I'm talking about the inherent flaw with the stat itself. Not Dak. Not the WRs.

Then I guess you think all stats have flaws? Stats are nothing more than numbers derived from what players do or don't do.
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[LACowboysFan1]

So you don't believe a stat that shows the receiver has less than 1 yard of separation should be counted as a small window throw?

Next Gen Stats defines a "tight-window throw" as a throw where the intended receiver had less than a yard of separation from the defender.

According to NFL.com, a tight window is defined as a throw where the intended receiver had less than a yard of separation from the defender.

That appears to be the most common definition...

 

[Hennessy_King]

Next Gen Stats defines a "tight-window throw" as a throw where the intended receiver had less than a yard of separation from the defender.

According to NFL.com, a tight window is defined as a throw where the intended receiver had less than a yard of separation from the defender.

That appears to be the most common definition...

Thanks but you should let @Haimerej know. He doesn't believe it, because it goes against his romo loving narrative.

 

[PhillySpecial]

Have any of you guys watched the video? I mean, they're showing him throw against single coverage and calling that a, "tight window," because the one defender is close to the receiver.

I've always defined tight window throws as hitting a guy between two defenders in a tight zone. This stat has redefined tight window as just having a guy within a yard. One of the plays I recall was Dez coming back to a ball after getting behind the defender. The underthrown pass caused the, "tight window." I'm not knocking Dak, just saying this stat means very little as far as accuracy because a poorly thrown ball can cause an otherwise open guy to be forced into a tight window by adjusting his route. This is true for every QB being rated by this stat, not just Dak. That's why I believe this stat is useless.

I think this analyst's definition of a tight window throw is off the mark. It's always been my understanding that if a WR/TE/RB has 1/2 step on a defender, he's open by NFL standards. And to define a tight window throw as a defender being within a yard at the point of the catch, IMO, isn't the definition of a tight window throw. NFL DBs and LBs make up a lot of ground when the ball is the air. A QB can create tight windows by throwing late, early, underthrow, overthrow, etc..

To me, a tight window throw is one where a DB/LB is in the hip pocket of the intended target.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

"I've always defined tight window throws as hitting a guy between two defenders in a tight zone"

"To me, a tight window throw is one where a DB/LB is in the hip pocket of the intended target."

If we're all going to get to have our own definition of a tight window throw then there's no way we will ever be able to agree if Dak can hit "tight window" throws...

 

[gjkoeppen]

That's true, but Aikman came to a team that clearly was in re-building mode, Dak came to a team that just 2 years before was 12-4 and won a playoff game. Aikman had to deal with a lot less talent (other than Irvin) overall.

By Aikman's second season the triplets were all together. Aikman had Irvin to throw to and the guy who ended up the NFL's All Time Leading Rusher to run the ball. He also had the player the Cowboys fans picked as the best free agent signed, Novacek. He had Tuinei, Stepnowski, Gesek and Newton for a line who all were Pro Bowlers during their careers. On defense there was Stubbs, Norton, Jeffcoat, Del Rio and Lockhart. All of which doesn't take away the 18 picks Aikman threw is second season. Again Aikman went on to be one of the most accurate passers of his time, but he wasn't his first 2 seasons. It was something he worked on and got very good at but you don't want to give Prescott the same time to become as accurate.
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[LACowboysFan1]

To me, a tight window throw is one where a DB/LB is in the hip pocket of the intended target.

No, that's defined as an interception

 

[gjkoeppen]

Have any of you guys watched the video? I mean, they're showing him throw against single coverage and calling that a, "tight window," because the one defender is close to the receiver.

I've always defined tight window throws as hitting a guy between two defenders in a tight zone. This stat has redefined tight window as just having a guy within a yard. One of the plays I recall was Dez coming back to a ball after getting behind the defender. The underthrown pass caused the, "tight window." I'm not knocking Dak, just saying this stat means very little as far as accuracy because a poorly thrown ball can cause an otherwise open guy to be forced into a tight window by adjusting his route. This is true for every QB being rated by this stat, not just Dak. That's why I believe this stat is useless.

Gee I'm sorry that YOUR definition is different that the professional stat people's definition. Again I think your definition is the definition propagated by fans.
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[LACowboysFan1]

you don't want to give Prescott the same time to become as accurate.

Where did I say that? I've already said months ago that I thought this year was the one we'd be able to make a better determination of how good he can be...

 

[LACowboysFan1]

On defense there was Stubbs, Norton, Jeffcoat, Del Rio and Lockhart.

What does that have to do with Aikman's accuracy?

 

[gjkoeppen]

Where did I say that? I've already said months ago that I thought this year was the one we'd be able to make a better determination of how good he can be...

I guess you did but you seem to want to make up excuses for Aikman 36 picks his first 2 seasons and not allow for Prescott less than great 2nd year and not enter in all of the drops the receivers had. Yes Prescott had some bad throws as did Aikman his first 2 seasons but many people here don't want to give Prescott the same time to refine his accuracy that very well may be just a bad 2nd season, that they gave Aikman.
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[TheMarathonContinues]

That's true, but Aikman came to a team that clearly was in re-building mode, Dak came to a team that just 2 years before was 12-4 and won a playoff game. Aikman had to deal with a lot less talent (other than Irvin) overall.

This team Dak has now is completely different from they 12-4 team though.

 

[gjkoeppen]

What does that have to do with Aikman's accuracy?

It really doesn't except to point out that the Cowboys had more talent than some want to admit to for Aikman's first 2 seasons. Actually a good defense does have some bearing because a good defense means the offense may have shorter fields to work with and thus throws would be shorter and of an easier type to complete.
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[LACowboysFan1]

guess you did but you seem to want to make up excuses for Aikman 36 picks his first 2 seasons and not allow for Prescott less than great 2nd year and not enter in all of the drops the receivers had. Yes Prescott had some bad throws as did Aikman his first 2 seasons but many people here don't want to give Prescott the same time to refine his accuracy that very well may be just a bad 2nd season, that they gave Aikman.
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If you go back and review all my posts you will see I have consistently said not to judge Dak harshly because he's only been here 2 years, and that he needs to be given time to develop. And Aikman coming to a team that was 3-13 the year before is only a factor, I did NOT say it was an excuse.

You're misreading my comments or confusing me with somebody else...

 

[gjkoeppen]

That's true, but Aikman came to a team that clearly was in re-building mode, Dak came to a team that just 2 years before was 12-4 and won a playoff game. Aikman had to deal with a lot less talent (other than Irvin) overall.

The O-line had a 40% change for all of 2017 from 2016 and for about a 1/3 of it there was a 60% change. Prescott was without Elliott for 6 games, Aikman had Emmitt for all 16 games and made the Pro Bowl as a rookie just like Elliott did. And no I'm not saying Elliott is better than Emmitt either.
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[gjkoeppen]

If you go back and review all my posts you will see I have consistently said not to judge Dak harshly because he's only been here 2 years, and that he needs to be given time to develop. And Aikman coming to a team that was 3-13 the year before is only a factor, I did NOT say it was an excuse.

You're misreading my comments or confusing me with somebody else...

Yes you did. But you also keep bring up the Cowboys record the year before Aikman was drafted and the year before Prescott was drafted the Cowboys record was 4 - 12. Yes they were in the playoffs in 2014 but as proof of Prescott's first 2 seasons the teams are different. If you agree in allowing Prescott more time to develop his passing skills then we agree.
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[PhillySpecial]

"I've always defined tight window throws as hitting a guy between two defenders in a tight zone"

"To me, a tight window throw is one where a DB/LB is in the hip pocket of the intended target."

If we're all going to get to have our own definition of a tight window throw then there's no way we will ever be able to agree if Dak can hit "tight window" throws...

So very true, LACowboysFan1. It's subjective.

But, there is analysis that should be done as to what created the tight window. Could be on the pass catcher. Or it could be on the QB. Could even be created defensively by making the QB throw before he wants to throw.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

This team Dak has now is completely different from they 12-4 team though.

Completely? Let's compare starters:

2014 2018
O-line - Smith, Leary, Frederick, Martin, Free Smith, tbd, Frederick, Martin, Collins
Tight end - Witten and Hanna Witten and Hanna
Receivers - Dez, Williams Dez, Williams
Running back - Murray Elliot

Only left guard, right tackle and running back is different. And Collins is about as good as Free was (better if you are one of the many Free haters), Zeke is at least as good as Murray was.

And the same head coach and offensive coordinator.

Not a really different team...