Does It Make A Person A Bad Fan To Hope For Bad Season & Red's Firing?

[Stash]

So you're asking if hoping your team loses makes you a bad fan?

Yes. The answer is yes.

You will argue it's for the good of the team but logically that isn't true, because if he DOESNT get fired it means the team did well. Ultimately, this is about you being right. You would rather be right than see your team win under a coach you don't like.

That's not remotely true.

Fans rooting for losses know that Garrett is a failure and know that's what will get him out.

We all want what's ultimately best for this team. Some people just feel that Garrett isn't the right man for the job, and whatever gets the team to realize and act on that will ultimately be in its best interest.

8 years of evidence supports those fans too.

 

[Stash]

There are many fans on this board who have no right to enjoy the success when it comes. They will, but they shouldn't get to.

So should that mean that you get kicked out if the success doesn't come?

I mean if we're being fair here...

 

[TWOK11]

That's not remotely true.

Fans rooting for losses know that Garrett is a failure and know that's what will get him out.

We all want what's ultimately best for this team. Some people just feel that Garrett isn't the right man for the job, and whatever gets the team to realize and act on that will ultimately be in its best interest.

8 years of evidence supports those fans too.

You dispute my post, then say nothing that actually refutes it.

Yes, those rooting for losses want Garrett out because they think he sucks. Duh. But ultimately if Garrett remains our coach going forward it's because the team improved and had success.

If Jason Garrett won a conference title or SB, it would be because of ANYTHING but him. I know this because when he won division titles after many claiming he never would, they refused to give him any credit.

This has NEVER been about what's best for the team. It's about prideful people making up their minds and they be DAMNED if they're going to be wrong.

 

[Stash]

You dispute my post, then say nothing that actually refutes it.

Yes, those rooting for losses want Garrett out because they think he sucks. Duh. But ultimately if Garrett remains our coach going forward it's because the team improved and had success.

Where is that a given? When has Jerry held him accountable? You proceed from a false assumption. Just like the owner did when he hired the guy.

If Jason Garrett won a conference title or SB, it would be because of ANYTHING but him. I know this because when he won division titles after many claiming he never would, they refused to give him any credit.

It's 7-plus years as the head coach, over a decade in total on this staff. The time for your "if's" is over. It's hypothetical nonsense and the fact is that he's never come close to winning anything. And he never will.

This has NEVER been about what's best for the team. It's about prideful people making up their minds and they be DAMNED if they're going to be wrong.

That's utter bull****.

We fans root for the Dallas Cowboys, not the Jason Garrett's.

If anyone is being "prideful", it's the people who can't quit Jason Garrett after 7 plus years of not winning anything. If that's you, you're the one being prideful and needing to be right.

 

[Them]

You will never root for them to lose, but with Garrett you will never watch them win a Superbowl. Think about it. Maybe just maybe, if a lot of losses helped get rid of Garrett, you might actually get to see this team win a Super Bowl one day.

...I've thought about it before, and now...and I repeat...I'll never root for Dallas to lose!...for a lower draft spot, another coach, period!
and as far as that SB.....don't ever say never!...

 

[Captain43Crash]

Why would a fan that is tired of losing hope for more losing? I guess it is reverse psychology or sumfin. Yay me I wanted a loss and got one hoot hoot hoot yay me then plant a big old belly bump on the wall or sumfin

Why would a fan that is tired of losing hope for more losing? Come on this is easy! Many, if not most fans, have seen over the last 8 years what a bad HC Jason Garrett is. Possibly, the worst coaching I have ever seen, throughout a whole game, was Garrett allowing his 2nd year QB to get sacked 8 times and hit many others, without chipping for his terrible backup tackles during the Atlanta game. Most Cowboys fans have very little confidence Garrett will ever win us a Super Bowl. If we lose more now, so Jerry gets rid of Garrett, many fans believe the new coach will give us a much better chance to win a Super Bowl. “Short term losses for long term success”. It’s really not that hard to understand. This has been a successful business model for years. Maybe with the release of Dez, Jerry is going to start running this team more like a business. Take the emotion out of his business decisions!

 

[BlindFaith]

That's not remotely true.

Fans rooting for losses know that Garrett is a failure and know that's what will get him out.

We all want what's ultimately best for this team. Some people just feel that Garrett isn't the right man for the job, and whatever gets the team to realize and act on that will ultimately be in its best interest.

8 years of evidence supports those fans too.

No. Fans rooting for anything but wins are rooting for their own agenda so they can come on message boards and decry how smart they are.

The same fans that never come into the same boards and proclaim how wrong they were.

 

[GORICO]

Seriously, at this point I would root for a 4-12 season if it guaranteed Red's departure.

Now I don't typically approve of fans rooting against their favorite team, but desperate times call for desperate measures. Its like having cancer that has spread in a limb, sometimes you have to amputate the limb in order to save the patient. Garrett is a cancer that must be excised to save the franchise, so some short term pain may be needed for longer-term game. I really hate the fact that Jerry has put me into this position of rooting against my favorite team, but it is what it is.

So yea, I might get called a bad fan, but if it means getting rid of Garrett, I am rooting for a losing season.

only makes a fan "bad" for wanting to keep "Sir-clap-a-lot"

 

[MichaelWinicki]

7- plus year into it with him.

Over a decade on the staff of this team.

The verdict is in. This isn't anything close to a rash decision. The man has been given more time than anyone should reasonably expect.

It's time to change.

We'll see.

But I'm not going to root for a lousy season for the singular purpose of seeing a coaching change.

 

[Captain43Crash]

IDK. I would rather win than root for his demise.

Win what? A handful of regular season games, then if we do make the playoffs lose in the 1st round. You like living ground hog day? Nothing will change with Garrett!

 

[gjkoeppen]

4-12 won't get it done, he still has Rod and Scott to take the fall for 2018..................UNLESS it's Stephen doing it and not Jerry.

I wonder when Jerry's going to break the news to Stephen that Jason is really his step brother he forgot to tell him about.

Even though most feel that Stephen wanted Bryant gone it still took Jerry to get on board and do it. If Jerry wants to keep Garrett Stephen won't be able to fire him. That being said not all fans believe Garrett is the fault for every bad thing that has happen to the Cowboys. Many of the things fans have complained that Garrett has done have been done by other veteran coaches but because it was the Cowboys, they don't remember or think about that. Even seasoned veteran coaches make mistakes, bad calls, mismanage the clock and one of my favorites, the hand clapping that at least 1/2 of the coaches do even after a bad play to fire up the players.
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[Verdict]

Win what? A handful of regular season games, then if we do make the playoffs lose in the 1st round. You like living ground hog day? Nothing will change with Garrett!

Red Ball isn't great. He's not the Hoodie. But he's also not the problem. Get rid of Dez. Get rid of Witten (next order of business). Get a solid 1 Tech and another good linebacker and we are set. We don't need to replace Dez. Dez has been on the back of a milk carton for three years.

 

[cowboy_ron]

Even though most feel that Stephen wanted Bryant gone it still took Jerry to get on board and do it. If Jerry wants to keep Garrett Stephen won't be able to fire him. That being said not all fans believe Garrett is the fault for every bad thing that has happen to the Cowboys. Many of the things fans have complained that Garrett has done have been done by other veteran coaches but because it was the Cowboys, they don't remember or think about that. Even seasoned veteran coaches make mistakes, bad calls, mismanage the clock and one of my favorites, the hand clapping that at least 1/2 of the coaches do even after a bad play to fire up the players.
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uh, ok........I guess I'm old school..........I expect my HC to be an X's and O's guy that I don't have to take the play calling reigns away from, that I can depend on making during game/halftime adjustments, and I don't consider stopping plays that were working in the first half and staying with plays that weren't working as adjustments.............Garrett hasn't improved one iota since the first day he was named HC, and this is a guy that because of his dad has been around football litterally his entire life.........How anyone can defend this guy is beyond logical thinking...he's only here because of the longtime relationship and respect Jerry had with Jason's father.......I won't even go into the bs clapping.

 

[Corso]

Seriously, at this point I would root for a 4-12 season if it guaranteed Red's departure.

Now I don't typically approve of fans rooting against their favorite team, but desperate times call for desperate measures. Its like having cancer that has spread in a limb, sometimes you have to amputate the limb in order to save the patient. Garrett is a cancer that must be excised to save the franchise, so some short term pain may be needed for longer-term game. I really hate the fact that Jerry has put me into this position of rooting against my favorite team, but it is what it is.

So yea, I might get called a bad fan, but if it means getting rid of Garrett, I am rooting for a losing season.

I don't judge people who can pummel me. Well, I do, but I don't tell them!

 

[TWOK11]

Where is that a given? When has Jerry held him accountable? You proceed from a false assumption. Just like the owner did when he hired the guy.



It's 7-plus years as the head coach, over a decade in total on this staff. The time for your "if's" is over. It's hypothetical nonsense and the fact is that he's never come close to winning anything. And he never will.



That's utter bull****.

We fans root for the Dallas Cowboys, not the Jason Garrett's.

If anyone is being "prideful", it's the people who can't quit Jason Garrett after 7 plus years of not winning anything. If that's you, you're the one being prideful and needing to be right.

I don't think Jason Garrett will win a title here. I've said as much before. I do think he's an above average NFL coach given the slop that passes for coaching in this league.

But I'll root for him to win as long as he coaches this team because I'd rather be wrong than watch Dallas lose.

 

[Stash]

No. Fans rooting for anything but wins are rooting for their own agenda so they can come on message boards and decry how smart they are.

No, fans rooting for meaningless wins are doing nothing but blindly following along, mindlessly and unquestioningly accepting whatever they're given. That's not being noble, that's being a sucker.

Fans are rooting for a failed, never-should-have-been head coach to be gone. And right now, losses in a season gets the team there. To a greater good.

What did rooting for the big week 17 "win" get ya? Do you feel good about that? If you do, then you're a bigger loser than anyone you're attempting to "call out."

The same fans that never come into the same boards and proclaim how wrong they were.

I'll gladly go up and down the laundry lists of things I've been wrong about.

I get the same "nothing" in being right that I get "nothing" taken away when I'm wrong.

If I was afraid, I'd never express an opinion at all. And neither would you.

 

[Stash]

We'll see.

We've seen.

But I'm not going to root for a lousy season for the singular purpose of seeing a coaching change.

I'd prefer that to wasting more than that one season with proven failure. We've wasted 7 years plus already, that's already more than enough.

Look no further than last year. He couldn't manage wins over any of the good teams in the league. And got his clock cleaned when he faced the playoff caliber teams. There was a clear pattern. But what he did manage was to stack up some meaningless wins against the botttom feeders and teams taking the week off. That served only to keep him around for another year and to ruin this team's draft position. Other than that, nothing was accomplished. Yet again.

 

[rynochop]

Would you rather they win a Super Bowl and Garrett get an extension or go 5-12 and get fired?

 

[Stash]

I don't think Jason Garrett will win a title here. I've said as much before. I do think he's an above average NFL coach given the slop that passes for coaching in this league.

But I'll root for him to win as long as he coaches this team because I'd rather be wrong than watch Dallas lose.

I'd rather be wrong and watch Dallas win.

If you're agreeing that Garrett won't win, then every year he's still here is another wasted.

 

[TWOK11]

I'd rather be wrong and watch Dallas win.

If you're agreeing that Garrett won't win, then every year he's still here is another wasted.

I don't think he will, I don't claim to know because of course that would be nonsense. If he's not going to win then it will sort itself out regardless, so rooting for us to lose is pointless.

We'll find out quickly who the real fans are if he does have success this year though. It will be funny watching many who's bashed Dak praise him just so they don't have to give credit to Garrett.