WHY LVE? Someone please convince me!

[CATCH17]

No, I think it's shortsighted to simply suggest Evans is a guy who is what he is and that he can't get better.

That's the excuse people give when they love the toolsy guy who has issues. That he's the long term play over another pick.

I reject that notion with Evans that he has this low ceiling.

I like Evans.. I just don't see a ton of upside with the pick and on top of that he shares Jaylons Smith's skill set.

We don't have a Vander Esch on this roster and really not many teams do.


We play in a division with some amazing TE's too Ertz, Jordan Reed, and Engram.. Covering the middle of the field is a priority and he will get that done.

 

[CATCH17]

Why roquan Smith? That guy cannot get off blocks at all.

If we draft Roquan I think you have to not baby Sean Lee as much. You may have to move Lee back to his best position as the middle backer or you just play Roquan in every 3 WR set.

 

[Sydla]

I like Evans.. I just don't see a ton of upside with the pick and on top of that he shares Jaylons Smith's skill set.

We don't have a Vander Esch on this roster and really not many teams do.


We play in a division with some amazing TE's too Ertz, Jordan Reed, and Engram.. Covering the middle of the field is a priority and he will get that done.

He shares Smith's skill set?

Smith is an OLB type, long, rangy. Evans is a thumper. Frankly, Vander Esch is more like Jaylon Smith (well prior to being hurt) than Evans is.

 

[jday]

He's 6'4 or 6'5 and he's 255 pounds.. I'll take my chances on him getting better at shedding blocks.

You see, Catch..athleticism, size, weight...these are all the wrong reasons to draft a football player. It comes down to athletes and football players. In the first round with out question you draft football player over athletes. You draft what you see them do on the football field over what they are able to accomplish in the Underwear Olympics.

Exception to the rule: Vita Vea. Why? Because what he is doing now is essentially what he will do in the Pro's; absorb the double-team so other players can make the play.

LVE, on the other hand, will be taking on far more responsibility here if he is to be the MLB...and I suspect he will be woefully overwhelmed in his first few years. He may end up being great, but the immediate returns on this investment I suspect will be next to nothing.

 

[CATCH17]

You see, Catch..athleticism, size, weight...these are all the wrong reasons to draft a football player. It comes down to athletes and football players. In the first round with out question you draft football player over athletes. You draft what you see them do on the football field over what they are able to accomplish in the Underwear Olympics.

Exception to the rule: Vita Vea. Why? Because what he is doing now is essentially what he will do in the Pro's; absorb the double-team so other players can make the play.

LVE, on the other hand, will be taking on far more responsibility here if he is to be the MLB...and I suspect he will be woefully overwhelmed in his first few years. He may end up being great, but the immediate returns on this investment I suspect will be next to nothing.

I disagree. You take a combination of both.

The draft isn't about drafting the best football player. It's about projecting who the best football players will be at the NFL level.

I think Leighton Vander Esch will be a better player then Evans pretty quick.


We see this all the time. Jared Goff was so much more pro ready then Carson Wentz. Wentz looked far better out the gates then Goff did.



Vander Esch played above average football. Best defender in his conference. He's also an absolute freak.

All signs point high. Buy stock while you can or sell. I'm buying. We have no linebackers and you got a guy with crazy upside who produced.

Derwin and Vander Esch both are what the doctor ordered for this team.

 

[CATCH17]

He shares Smith's skill set?

Smith is an OLB type, long, rangy. Evans is a thumper. Frankly, Vander Esch is more like Jaylon Smith (well prior to being hurt) than Evans is.

Vander Esch can play any position in a 4-3.

 

[xwalker]

You see, Catch..athleticism, size, weight...these are all the wrong reasons to draft a football player. It comes down to athletes and football players. In the first round with out question you draft football player over athletes. You draft what you see them do on the football field over what they are able to accomplish in the Underwear Olympics.

Exception to the rule: Vita Vea. Why? Because what he is doing now is essentially what he will do in the Pro's; absorb the double-team so other players can make the play.

LVE, on the other hand, will be taking on far more responsibility here if he is to be the MLB...and I suspect he will be woefully overwhelmed in his first few years. He may end up being great, but the immediate returns on this investment I suspect will be next to nothing.

Evans would not run the forty. It's an odd decision for a healthy player. His vert of 30" is sub-par. Sean Lee had a 37-1/2" vert.

Envision putting the 2017 version of Anthony Hitchens on the 2017 Alabama roster. He would look like a 1st round pick.

 

[Sydla]

Vander Esch can play any position in a 4-3.

Says who? You?

 

[Sydla]

Evans would not run the forty. It's an odd decision for a healthy player. His vert of 30" is sub-par. Sean Lee had a 37-1/2" vert.

Envision putting the 2017 version of Anthony Hitchens on the 2017 Alabama roster. He would look like a 1st round pick.

LOL. Nothing like going extreme.

 

[DiResta]

it doesnt even matter who you want
theres no way to know who will end up being the right pick at this point
for all we know Edmunds could end up being Trent Richardsonish and Jewell could be the next Kuechly
i think its Vander Esch but i dont get all bent if someone suggest someone else
because who the **** knows? Kiper and McShay get it wrong year after year
this is just educated guessing

edit thinking of wrong bama rb

 

[beware_d-ware]

 

[xwalker]

LOL. Nothing like going extreme.

Scenario thinking is an analysis technique.

It often involves boundry conditions.

Boundry conditions be real possibilities but the extremes within what can realistically happen.

A basebase stadium boundry conditions for where a baseball can land after a hit. The upper deck is within a possiblity but at the extreme end of possibilities. A mile away is extreme but is not a realistic possibility.

 

[ghst187]

With a short trade up in the 2018 NFL draft the Dallas Cowboys select LB Edmunds, Va Tech.

 

[CATCH17]

Evans would not run the forty. It's an odd decision for a healthy player. His vert of 30" is sub-par. Sean Lee had a 37-1/2" vert.

Envision putting the 2017 version of Anthony Hitchens on the 2017 Alabama roster. He would look like a 1st round pick.

Vertical is the new 40 for me.


If you don’t hit 34 or 35 inches then I question your talent at certain positions.

 

[McKDaddy]

You want the best player today... That's not what the draft is about.

I envision Rashaad Evans being a good ho hum solid player.

I envision Vander Esch being more then that.

If he somehow busts then fine. But i'm swinging for the fences with the 19th pick. We've seen this player be productive and all signs point to him not even scratching the surface of his potential.

Gotta disagree with you. Floor is just as important as ceiling in the early rounds. I will take a guy who can contribute immediately & be a solid to above average player throughout his career over a guy I'm having to "project" what he might be down the road with the very real possibility that he is never an NFL caliber player. LVE reminds me of a kid that aced 8th grade algebra jumping to college level algebra. I think he is going to be horribly lost for a while.

 

[Cowboyny]

You see, Catch..athleticism, size, weight...these are all the wrong reasons to draft a football player. It comes down to athletes and football players. In the first round with out question you draft football player over athletes. You draft what you see them do on the football field over what they are able to accomplish in the Underwear Olympics.

Exception to the rule: Vita Vea. Why? Because what he is doing now is essentially what he will do in the Pro's; absorb the double-team so other players can make the play.

LVE, on the other hand, will be taking on far more responsibility here if he is to be the MLB...and I suspect he will be woefully overwhelmed in his first few years. He may end up being great, but the immediate returns on this investment I suspect will be next to nothing.

With that reasoning, Derwin James fits the same category. He is more of an athlete then he is a football player. Teams are drafting him for his upside, not who the player he is today.

 

[Aven8]

Two white LBs?? What is this the 60's?!?

 

[gmoney112]

Its correct that one of his weaknesses is getting off blocks. But he still managed to rack up 140 tackles last year and 4 FF (Evan's had 1 in each of his last 2 seasons). He also had 2 INTs last year (Evan's had 0 the last 2 years).

His production was great, and that was his first full season. Dude walked on at Boise, it's not like a D2 school.

Some reps, a little bit of weight, and you're going to have a guy built and hitting like an OLB but covers like a big safety. He'd be a full time starter at MLB and nickel packages this year probably. Jaylon will go to Will if Lee gets hurt, or if they like some blitzing nickel packages since I think Jaylon will be a little better than Lee on that front.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I think it is fair to say that you will not be convinced by anyone here.

It would seem, you have made up your mind.

Sounds like you have read reports, watched videos and have come to the conclusion that he is not the guy for you.

Which is ok as that is your opinion...however I think you have your mind set and I don't think anyone will change your opinion of him other than LVE if he plays good.

And even if he does play good, some who are not for him will still not admit that he is good...I said some, I did not say you.

 

[Sydla]

Scenario thinking is an analysis technique.

It often involves boundry conditions.

Boundry conditions be real possibilities but the extremes within what can realistically happen.

A basebase stadium boundry conditions for where a baseball can land after a hit. The upper deck is within a possiblity but at the extreme end of possibilities. A mile away is extreme but is not a realistic possibility.

Basically, it’s the new thing to discredit Bama defensive players under the premise they are so stacked they make JAGs look like Hall of Famers.