We are finally doing what we've been needing to do

[Silver Surfer]

Not that this is any revelation, but its becoming more and more obvious that the beauty as well as the dysfunction of this franchise largely stems from the level of involvement of its owner in the day to day operations.

The coach has to be a certain type of person to function here and has to navigate all of the situations with players caused by those players' relationships with the owner. Its not a stretch to believe that the assistant coaches follow suit in order to keep their jobs. That has to impact how any of the coaches deal with particular players (e.g. Dooley and Bryant).

 

[atlantacowboy]

And that doesn't mean he's a failure. He's been a part of changing the culture and talent level of this team that, IMO, would not have happened without him. I go into each season with a reasonable hope and expectation that we will compete for a playoff spot. That's far different than it was for the Campo years. Again, he may not be the coach to take the team to the next level, but he's definitely put the next HC in a much better position to do it if Garrett is fired after this season.

See, I don't get that "changing the culture". Technically, Garret has been an assistant HC and HC for 10 years. He's been in the draft war room and lobbying Jerry the whole time. So, If their ever was a culture problem or lack of talent, thats on him as much as anyone. When Garret got here the offense was loaded talent wise. The team was ascending. He rode it into the ground and is now rebuilding it. Its just a natural cycle of life in the NFL. But you can't label anything he's done as a success b/c its not born any fruit.

 

[cowboy_ron]

Dez won't run routes. That crosses him off the large majority of team's lists.

And him turning down BALT's offer. That was simply dumber'n dirt. They offered him like 6 mil/season for 3 years, I think. His skillset would go well w/ Flacco.

Yea, he'll never see another offer like what Baltimore offered him.....his agenda has been to "get back" at the Cowboys, not to help another team win ball games which has become evident.......I would not be surprised if he's played his last game in the NFL........him acting like he has, he looks like the kid that was thrown out of the neighorhood clubhouse and begging to get in a rival neighborhood's clubhouse, which was extemely sad to watch.

 

[CowboyRoy]

With whom do you replace him with?

Chucky I was lobbying for for years. But just about anyone would be better than Garrett.

 

[kskboys]

Yea, he'll never see another offer like what Baltimore offered him.....his agenda has been to "get back" at the Cowboys, not to help another team win ball games which has become evident.......I would not be surprised if he's played his last game in the NFL........him acting like he has, he looks like the kid that was thrown out of the neighorhood clubhouse and begging to get in a rival neighborhood's clubhouse, which was extemely sad to watch.

I was in shock at his insistence that he play for one of our rivals. That makes no sense whatsoever. Shows you that his mind is just not there.

 

[Rockport]

Ah, pay attention grasshopper!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You've labeled me. You've seen negativism from me. Why? Because I call 'em as I see 'em. Not into mincing words or playing some strange advocate thingie. When I see bad, I call it bad, and when I see good, I call it good. I am neither a homer nor a negative nancy. I'm just a true realist. Not someone who claims realism in order to be negative, a true realist. Well, that's what I strive for anyway.

Your posts are heavily balanced on the negative side.

 

[cern]

Do you have any clue if Richard has the skillset to be a HC? Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. But it's a big step from a position coach to HC. History is littered with hot, successful coordinators that fail at the next level, Norv Turner, Romeo Crennel, Josh McDaniels, Dave Wandstadt, etc.

doug Pederson and sean mcvay are two opposite examples. sean payton another. but imo, it makes more sense to go with something new as opposed to sticking with mediocrity year after year.

 

[Whyjerry]

Getting something for our players we were getting rid of anyway, and cutting players who are not producing or are underproducing.

Ward trade. Look, Switzer was not making this team. Period. We traded a player who was not making our team for a player who was not making their team. Will he work out? Don't know of course, but great move bringing him in to see. Nothing lost.

Tavon trade: We had a ton of draft picks. They simply were mostly not going to make the team. Why not dump a 6th for a guy who has major speed? Can his issues be resolved? Who knows, but we only spent a late draft pick on him. Great trade.

Dez: He wasn't producing, for whatever reason, and didn't fit. Doesn't matter why any more, it was time to dump the salary and move on. This beats the hades out of paying him for subpar production, which we've been guilty of several times in the past. Good move.

Tough moves have to be made for any NFL franchise, and it appears we may be on the way to making them.

Next up, hire a legitimate head coach and GM?

 

[cern]

Next up, hire a legitimate head coach and GM?

when stephen has full control one of his first acts will be to cull garrett from the ranks. probably right along with linehan and marinelli.

 

[JustChip]

See, I don't get that "changing the culture". Technically, Garret has been an assistant HC and HC for 10 years. He's been in the draft war room and lobbying Jerry the whole time. So, If their ever was a culture problem or lack of talent, thats on him as much as anyone. When Garret got here the offense was loaded talent wise. The team was ascending. He rode it into the ground and is now rebuilding it. Its just a natural cycle of life in the NFL. But you can't label anything he's done as a success b/c its not born any fruit.

The culture change is in Jerry. No longer is Jerry intimately involved in personnel. The culture change is longer chasing headlines with asinine trades. I guarantee were it not for Jason and, yes, Stephen, we would have drafted the train wreck known as Johnny Football. I don't think Jerry changes if he hadn't hired Jason - he trusts and values Jason. Jerry did, on the surface, change with Bill Parcells, but only temporarily to get the new stadium. Then it was back to the old Jerry.

 

[Whyjerry]

when stephen has full control one of his first acts will be to cull garrett from the ranks. probably right along with linehan and marinelli.

From your finger tips to God’s eyes.

 

[Sydla]

See, I don't get that "changing the culture". Technically, Garret has been an assistant HC and HC for 10 years. He's been in the draft war room and lobbying Jerry the whole time. So, If their ever was a culture problem or lack of talent, thats on him as much as anyone. When Garret got here the offense was loaded talent wise. The team was ascending. He rode it into the ground and is now rebuilding it. Its just a natural cycle of life in the NFL. But you can't label anything he's done as a success b/c its not born any fruit.

I kind of get it. Garrett fans can't really explain away the fact he's had a fairly average to OK run with no playoff success to speak of, so they point to more nebulous victories like "culture" and want to give him credit for things like fixing the cap and better player acquisitions.

It's pretty much all they have at this point. As has been stated ad nauseum, if Garrett were to end up winning a SB, he'd be the first coach in the history of the NFL to do that without ever having coached in a conference title game in his first five years on the job. In other words, placing value in his cap management, culture and player development and thinking that will result in high level success on the field is mostly wishful thinking at this point.

 

[JustChip]

doug Pederson and sean mcvay are two opposite examples. sean payton another. but imo, it makes more sense to go with something new as opposed to sticking with mediocrity year after year.

All of those I believe were coordinators, not position coaches. So your point is not that Kris Richards will be an outstanding coach, but that you want anybody but Garrett. I have no issue with that; don't necessarily agree, but understand and respect it.

 

[atlantacowboy]

The culture change is in Jerry. No longer is Jerry intimately involved in personnel. The culture change is longer chasing headlines with asinine trades. I guarantee were it not for Jason and, yes, Stephen, we would have drafted the train wreck known as Johnny Football. I don't think Jerry changes if he hadn't hired Jason - he trusts and values Jason. Jerry did, on the surface, change with Bill Parcells, but only temporarily to get the new stadium. Then it was back to the old Jerry.

I gotcha. I wasn't thinking in terms of Jerry being involved. Stephen has stepped up and Jerry has been amenable to take the advice which is the big change. That story about Stephen snatching the Manziel card out his hands is true. Dez would still be a cowboy as well if it were only up to jerry.

If we don't have a good year, it will be interesting to see if Stephen turns his objective eyes on Garret.

 

[cern]

I doubt garrett has anything to do at all with cap management. purely Stephen's job. and garrett hasn't developed any players. no te since witten in 2003 and that was parcells. no wr's. dez had natural ability, but was never developed. o-linemen were developed by frank Pollack. what little development there has been on defense is more attributable to marinelli and position coaches. no one developed zeke. he's just a natural. on top of that, jg isn't an x's and o's coach. good motivator???maybe.

 

[JustChip]

I kind of get it. Garrett fans can't really explain away the fact he's had a fairly average to OK run with no playoff success to speak of, so they point to more nebulous victories like "culture" and want to give him credit for things like fixing the cap and better player acquisitions.

It's pretty much all they have at this point. As has been stated ad nauseum, if Garrett were to end up winning a SB, he'd be the first coach in the history of the NFL to do that without ever having coached in a conference title game in his first five years on the job. In other words, placing value in his cap management, culture and player development and thinking that will result in high level success on the field is mostly wishful thinking at this point.

So by your benchmark, Bill Parcells was a failure here, right? And Dave Campo was just as successful as Jason. And 12-4, and especially 13-3 with a 4th round rookie QB that had no business being on the field at that point, is not a success? The anti-Garrett fans don't seem to see beyond their borderline hate for Garrett - when the team performs well, it's in spite of Garrett, when it doesn't perform well it's because of Garrett.

A change might have to be made to take the team to the next level, but that doesn't make Garrett a failure. Moses wasn't allowed to take the Isrealites into the Promised Land, but did that mean his leading them to freedom was a failure? Not getting into religion here, just an illustration.

 

[JustChip]

I gotcha. I wasn't thinking in terms of Jerry being involved. Stephen has stepped up and Jerry has been amenable to take the advice which is the big change. That story about Stephen snatching the Manziel card out his hands is true. Dez would still be a cowboy as well if it were only up to jerry.

If we don't have a good year, it will be interesting to see if Stephen turns his objective eyes on Garret.

I think Garrett is gone if it's a bad year, but the question is, what constitutes a "bad" year? I'm not so concrete as to say it's NFCC or bust, or frankly, playoffs or bust. I will evaluate at the end of the year and say either Garrett needs to go or he deserves another year. I will go on record that another Atlanta game and I'll be leaning on the go side of the fence. That game was a complete and total coaching failure.

 

[Mobinvans]

Getting something for our players we were getting rid of anyway, and cutting players who are not producing or are underproducing.

Ward trade. Look, Switzer was not making this team. Period. We traded a player who was not making our team for a player who was not making their team. Will he work out? Don't know of course, but great move bringing him in to see. Nothing lost.

Tavon trade: We had a ton of draft picks. They simply were mostly not going to make the team. Why not dump a 6th for a guy who has major speed? Can his issues be resolved? Who knows, but we only spent a late draft pick on him. Great trade.

Dez: He wasn't producing, for whatever reason, and didn't fit. Doesn't matter why any more, it was time to dump the salary and move on. This beats the hades out of paying him for subpar production, which we've been guilty of several times in the past. Good move.

Tough moves have to be made for any NFL franchise, and it appears we may be on the way to making them.

Now all we need to do is get a real coach

 

[JoeKing]

Get rid of the dead wood dragging us down and let's get this Championship thing done and done again!... We are getting there.

 

[Jracowboy]

We have a solid foundation and have a bright future.