We are finally doing what we've been needing to do

[JustChip]

Now if only they'd dump Garrett, they'd really be on to something. I'd replace him with Richard right now, without a second thought.

Do you have any clue if Richard has the skillset to be a HC? Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. But it's a big step from a position coach to HC. History is littered with hot, successful coordinators that fail at the next level, Norv Turner, Romeo Crennel, Josh McDaniels, Dave Wandstadt, etc.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Do you have any clue if Richard has the skillset to be a HC? Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. But it's a big step from a position coach to HC. History is littered with hot, successful coordinators that fail at the next level, Norv Turner, Romeo Crennel, Josh McDaniels, Dave Wandstadt, etc.

Jason Garret

 

[JustChip]

Jason Garret

I realize CZ is the anti-Garrett Fan Club, but frankly, I don't see JG as a failed coach. Sure, he hasn't won a Super Bowl and he's not Bill Belichik, but I think he's been more successful than not. It may take a change in HC to take the next step, but that doesn't mean he's been a failure. Many entrepreneurs can lead an organization to a certain level, but are not the right person to lead it past that.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I realize CZ is the anti-Garrett Fan Club, but frankly, I don't see JG as a failed coach. Sure, he hasn't won a Super Bowl and he's not Bill Belichik, but I think he's been more successful than not. It may take a change in HC to take the next step, but that doesn't mean he's been a failure. Many entrepreneurs can lead an organization to a certain level, but are not the right person to lead it past that.

There is a middle ground between super bowl champ and 1 playoff win in 7 years. Thats failure anywhere outside cincy let alone Dallas.

 

[kskboys]

I know Williams can be disappointing at times. But I highly highly doubt a rookie 6th rounder is going to be a better receiver this year than Williams.

Hard to say. Cedrick's scouting reports were all over the place. I saw him as a 2nd in one, and a 6th in another.

However, what he is is a natural pass catcher w/ great vertical speed, outstanding tracking skills, a wide catch radius, and a nice ability to vary his speeds to both get open and weave through traffic. He's also an experienced PR and KR.

And the kicker, he's a quick study. Just started playing WR in college.

Is he ready? No, but he could be soon.

 

[DC Cowboy]

Getting something for our players we were getting rid of anyway, and cutting players who are not producing or are underproducing.

Ward trade. Look, Switzer was not making this team. Period. We traded a player who was not making our team for a player who was not making their team. Will he work out? Don't know of course, but great move bringing him in to see. Nothing lost.

Tavon trade: We had a ton of draft picks. They simply were mostly not going to make the team. Why not dump a 6th for a guy who has major speed? Can his issues be resolved? Who knows, but we only spent a late draft pick on him. Great trade.

Dez: He wasn't producing, for whatever reason, and didn't fit. Doesn't matter why any more, it was time to dump the salary and move on. This beats the hades out of paying him for subpar production, which we've been guilty of several times in the past. Good move.

Tough moves have to be made for any NFL franchise, and it appears we may be on the way to making them.

Based off this, when do we make a move on/with the coaching staff?

 

[kskboys]

Is this a fake post? It's a little positive but it's not negative. I'm confused coming from you. Just setting us up?

Ah, pay attention grasshopper!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You've labeled me. You've seen negativism from me. Why? Because I call 'em as I see 'em. Not into mincing words or playing some strange advocate thingie. When I see bad, I call it bad, and when I see good, I call it good. I am neither a homer nor a negative nancy. I'm just a true realist. Not someone who claims realism in order to be negative, a true realist. Well, that's what I strive for anyway.

 

[kskboys]

Based off this, when do we make a move on/with the coaching staff?

Absolutely no idea. I'm not impressed either, though there is some good there. I do have some hope that we'll hire the right coordinators and it will work. Linehan is not it.

 

[kskboys]

I'm not praising the team in this case.

Certainly not for "getting something for our players". In fact, few teams do it worse.

This team had 13 Pro Bowl players in 2007, and not a one of them was ever converted into anything other than dead cap space.

Ware was an elite pass rusher this team released for nothing. Denver scooped him up and won a Super Bowl.

Romo was a top 10 Quarterback that this team got nothing but dead cap space for. Same for Bryant, same for Witten.

If anything, this team holds on to long until the player is nothing more than cap liability. They're late, not early.

Absolutely.

However, things seem to be possibly changing. Those moves, or more aptly non-moves, were a few years ago.

 

[cowboy_ron]

while i agree, i wish we could have gotten something for Dez but guessing that other teams didn't see his contract as viable either which is why we didn't...so that makes sense.

We are also reaching the point where we finally are done with bad contracts and just about out of dead money hell (next year)...so now we need to shift the approach from getting rid of older underperforming vets to getting value out of younger guys that havent earned their 2nd contract...

No team wants Dez at the vet minimum without giving up anything....what makes you think anyone would trade for him?

 

[JustChip]

There is a middle ground between super bowl champ and 1 playoff win in 7 years. Thats failure anywhere outside cincy let alone Dallas.

And that doesn't mean he's a failure. He's been a part of changing the culture and talent level of this team that, IMO, would not have happened without him. I go into each season with a reasonable hope and expectation that we will compete for a playoff spot. That's far different than it was for the Campo years. Again, he may not be the coach to take the team to the next level, but he's definitely put the next HC in a much better position to do it if Garrett is fired after this season.

 

[kskboys]

No team wants Dez at the vet minimum without giving up anything....what makes you think anyone would trade for him?

Yeah, before bemoaning a lack of trade, you must evaluate the trade value including a careful look at value vs salary. Dez, Ware, untradeable due to negative trade value.

 

[JustChip]

No team wants Dez at the vet minimum without giving up anything....what makes you think anyone would trade for him?

It was really the same thing with Romo, but not because of diminishing skills, or his contract for that matter (Chicago paid Glennon more). Houston and Denver made all the sense in the world to give up a conditional 4th, 3rd, or 2nd for Romo, but I suspect they were not convinced of his commitment at that point. Obviously, Tony was a consummate professional and would've given everything if he had gone to those teams, but it does factor if you have to convince him to come onboard. Just speculation on my part.

 

[Jipper]

No team wants Dez at the vet minimum without giving up anything....what makes you think anyone would trade for him?

I said in my post that it made sense no one wanted him and wouldn't trade for him

 

[Big_D]

No doubt about it, they couldn't keep squeezing a square peg into a round hole. Just continue forcing the same things year after year. Lets hope we see this type of positive adjustment in the play calling?

 

[cowboy_ron]

Yeah, before bemoaning a lack of trade, you must evaluate the trade value including a careful look at value vs salary. Dez, Ware, untradeable due to negative trade value.

Yep, GM's across the league are aware his production had tapered off, but what I think turned them off even more than that were his childish tantrums.......it's bad enough throwing the tantrums when they're producing at a high level, but when the production drops off like it did Dez didn't have a leg to stand on.No one wants that distraction on their team.

 

[kskboys]

I would guess a trade if they decide to move in another direction.

Doubtful. TWill was a UFA and garnered almost zero interest. He's just an average #2. Good thing is, we didn't overpay.

 

[kskboys]

Yep, GM's across the league are aware his production had tapered off, but what I think turned them off even more than that were his childish tantrums.......it's bad enough throwing the tantrums when they're producing at a high level, but when the production drops off like it did Dez didn't have a leg to stand on.No one wants that distraction on their team.

Dez won't run routes. That crosses him off the large majority of team's lists.

And him turning down BALT's offer. That was simply dumber'n dirt. They offered him like 6 mil/season for 3 years, I think. His skillset would go well w/ Flacco.

 

[G2]

Doubtful. TWill was a UFA and garnered almost zero interest. He's just an average #2. Good thing is, we didn't overpay.

That's not really true though. He turned down opportunities to make more money and took less to stay in Dallas. He said it wasn't about the money and that it was the people. He's a Dallas native.

 

[Stash]

Absolutely.

However, things seem to be possibly changing. Those moves, or more aptly non-moves, were a few years ago.

Romo was just last year. Bryant and Witten this year.

I’m sure that given their track record, you can understand my hesitancy.

But I hope you’re ultimately right.