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Because a tie would have set them up to win the group beating Portugal in their final game. Not exactly advanced math.
that's stupid... why would you reduce your odds to beat portugal or go out when you have 2 chances to win that level of game versus just one?
try to win both games and if you come up short in one you have the 2nd chance.
playing for a tie in that spot would be pointless.
as an underdog in any other sport you'd be playing free and figuring you have nothing to lose...
if the portugal/spain tie was 1-1 i could see it but at 3-3... no... math doesn't work for you.
 

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Big game for Croatia and Argentina this afternoon. I know there's a few Messi fans in here and i like Messi as well, but i need Croatia to win today :grin:.
 

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I agree. Teams often take a tactical view in the group stages. For weaker teams the tactic often used is to try not to be eliminated before the final group match. They will often play for a 0-0 tie in the first 2 matches. They then hope results go their way in the 3rd games. I think coaches have worked out the probabilities and concluded this. Strange things and strange results can happen in 3rd games e.g.

- teams not bothering because they've already qualified.
- teams looking at likely opponents in round 2.
- impact of nerves/pressure.

Also, coaches know what way the other games are going. Often things can crystalise mid match which can mean a team or teams taking the foot off the gas which benefits weaker teams seeking a win.

Someone mentioned Italia 90. In the group stages Egypt played 11 in the box almost on the goal line for the first 2 games - no interest in winning just hoping to be in the mix for the final game.

Same group - Ireland and Netherlands we're playing an exciting 3rd match. Then results crystalised elsewhere so both teams simply ran out the clock passing the ball around slowly as a tie was enough for both.
Once Spain and Portugal tied at 3-3 that strat has to go out the window.
That was literally the worst result for Iran. Because it means even if they tie both the sides they wouldn't advance with 5 points unless Morocco beat one of the far superior sides.

So 1 point with no goals scored is meaningless.
It would take 6 points to get into knockout stage which means beating one side or the other. You take your shot twice!
If you fail having 4 points versus 3 means absolutely nothing.

They are in same boat now they would have been in with a tie except the goals scored hurts them.
Had they played aggressively and lost 4-3 they'd be better off.

I've coached lots of pool play stuff.
This is basic math.
 

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can you imagine de bruyne and hazard at wing with lukaku at the 9? lord....
4-3-3 with kante as the DM/heartbeat....
i'm gonna go cry now.

Try Hazard and Salah on the wing.

Chelsea sold Salah.

De Bruyne as a CM.
 

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Try Hazard and Salah on the wing.

Chelsea sold Salah.

De Bruyne as a CM.
Salah was pretty poor at Chelsea so while it looks awful I can see that one. De Bruyne wasn't bad at all....
Selling players to rival EPL sides friggin kill me.....
It's like Dallas trading with Philly.
 

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Salah was pretty poor at Chelsea so while it looks awful I can see that one. De Bruyne wasn't bad at all....
Selling players to rival EPL sides friggin kill me.....
It's like Dallas trading with Philly.

They didn't give it any time though.

He had what... Half a season? A Season?


Mourinho gave up on De Bruyne, Lukaku, and Salah quick.
 

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They didn't give it any time though.

He had what... Half a season? A Season?


Mourinho gave up on De Bruyne, Lukaku, and Salah quick.
yea just the one season.
but i recall him being reallly bad in a couple matches versus B sides. FA cups ties and such.
as a 16M signing we sold for 34M I don't hate that as bad as many other moves like selling Lukaku, loaning out RLC again last year... et al.
Salah was never going to beat out Hazard for the role he has at Liverpool.
De Bruyne tho is a wizard on the pass akin to Cesc.
 

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Once Spain and Portugal tied at 3-3 that strat has to go out the window.
That was literally the worst result for Iran. Because it means even if they tie both the sides they wouldn't advance with 5 points unless Morocco beat one of the far superior sides.

So 1 point with no goals scored is meaningless.
It would take 6 points to get into knockout stage which means beating one side or the other. You take your shot twice!
If you fail having 4 points versus 3 means absolutely nothing.

They are in same boat now they would have been in with a tie except the goals scored hurts them.
Had they played aggressively and lost 4-3 they'd be better off.

I've coached lots of pool play stuff.
This is basic math.

Maths are simple. Any team that ties its first 2 games 0-0 will always have a chance to qualify via the 3rd game.
 

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Once Spain and Portugal tied at 3-3 that strat has to go out the window.
That was literally the worst result for Iran. Because it means even if they tie both the sides they wouldn't advance with 5 points unless Morocco beat one of the far superior sides.

So 1 point with no goals scored is meaningless.
It would take 6 points to get into knockout stage which means beating one side or the other. You take your shot twice!
If you fail having 4 points versus 3 means absolutely nothing.

They are in same boat now they would have been in with a tie except the goals scored hurts them.
Had they played aggressively and lost 4-3 they'd be better off.

I've coached lots of pool play stuff.
This is basic math.

You're not considering the possibility Spain could tie Morocco. Then all Iran needed was a tie against Spain to advance.
 

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Argentina just don't look good.

They can't even put the ball in an open net.

Messi rarely has the ball.


Someone needs to link up the midfield and forwards better.


I hate to say it but they may need to pull Aguero and just hope that Higuain can score them a dirty goal.
 

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I have been saying that for a while Argentina is not a good team they barely qualified and Messi for sure is no Maradona.Messi success ( with his club) was built on his team mates.
 

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How is the tiebreaker decided in the group stage? I bring this up because if Iran beats Portugal 1-0 and Morocco beats Spain 1-0, both teams have identical records and goal differential. I know that it is far fetch especially Spain losing to Morocco but you never know.
 

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How is the tiebreaker decided in the group stage? I bring this up because if Iran beats Portugal 1-0 and Morocco beats Spain 1-0, both teams have identical records and goal differential. I know that it is far fetch especially Spain losing to Morocco but you never know.

Second tie breaker is total goals scored, then head to head. Both of which will also be tied. I'm pretty sure if it plays out like you said they tie everything and go to something similar to a flip of the coin.
 

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How is the tiebreaker decided in the group stage? I bring this up because if Iran beats Portugal 1-0 and Morocco beats Spain 1-0, both teams have identical records and goal differential. I know that it is far fetch especially Spain losing to Morocco but you never know.

I believe the first is goal difference, then goals for.
 

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How is the tiebreaker decided in the group stage? I bring this up because if Iran beats Portugal 1-0 and Morocco beats Spain 1-0, both teams have identical records and goal differential. I know that it is far fetch especially Spain losing to Morocco but you never know.

I believe in that scenario it would be

Portugal 4 goals for
Spain 4 goals for
Iran 2 goals for

Iran goes home
 
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