I have Dak ranked 3rd in 2018 NFC East QBs

[Northern_Cowboy]

Here we go. Dak had this, Dak had that, Wentz is playing with scraps off the junkpile. lol.

So you would take Blunt and his 766 yards and 2 TD's last season and Jay Ajaye and his 408 yards (with Philly) and 1 TD's over what we had with Zeke and Morris last season?

 

[mcmvp]

Here we go. Dak had this, Dak had that, Wentz is playing with scraps off the junkpile. lol. Why don't you point out that the Phily DEFENSE gave Wentz a shorter field to work with unlike Daks?

There’s a significant difference between having good players around you, and needing good players around you.

 

[MD2020]

This Wentz and Dak debate is really so simple.

Do you want a QB that has stayed healthy? Choose Dak
Do you want a QB that's been more accurate? Choose Dak
Do you want a QB that has produced more yards per pass thrown? Choose Dak
Do you want a QB who scores at a higher ratio, and turns the ball over less? Choose Dak
Do you want a QB that gets more rushing yards per attempt and 6x more rushing TDs than the other? Choose Dak
Do you want a QB that's won a higher % of his games? Choose Dak
Do you want a QB that's lead his team to 31 points in his first and only playoff game? Choose Dak

If you want a player who put up half the points in twice as many games in the 2017 head to head matchup, choose Dak.

If you want a healthy quarterback that somehow threw the same number of touchdown passes as his counterpart did with a broken ACL, choose Dak.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Well projected out over 16 games for Wentz (cause he only played 13) it would be approx 4100 yards 40 TD's, 9 INT, we can leave the completion percentage and QB rating the same. Also he would have done all that with his top rusher gaining only 766 yards last season. Can you say Dak's numbers would be as good as they were in 2016 if his top running back only had 766 yards for the season? I can't

That's speculation. Wentz might not threw another TD and way more INTs. He didn't even factor in the rushing TDs which Dak is by far ahead on

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

This Wentz and Dak debate is really so simple.

Do you want a QB that has stayed healthy? Choose Dak
Do you want a QB that's been more accurate? Choose Dak
Do you want a QB that has produced more yards per pass thrown? Choose Dak
Do you want a QB who scores at a higher ratio, and turns the ball over less? Choose Dak
Do you want a QB that gets more rushing yards per attempt and 6x more rushing TDs than the other? Choose Dak
Do you want a QB that's won a higher % of his games? Choose Dak
Do you want a QB that's lead his team to 31 points in his first and only playoff game? Choose Dak

Do you want a QB who got much much better his 2nd year in the leauge over his 1st or do you want a QB who regressed his 2nd season over his 1st? Give me the guy who improves alot over the guy who regresses alot. This is very important to consider when you take into consideration the amount of tape that teams have on a QB going into his 2nd season. Wentz was able to improve his game and Dak wasn't. What this really means is that what Dak does in his 3rd season will be who Dak is, hopefully he becomes the guy we saw in his rookie season

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

That's speculation. Wentz might not threw another TD and way more INTs. He didn't even factor in the rushing TDs which Dak is by far ahead on

It's reasonable speculation based on what he did in 13 games. Just take his average for those stats for 13 games and factor in 16 games. It's not as if Wentz played 2 games and threw 5 TD's in 2 games and we are projecting that over 16 games. He and the Philly offence actually had 13 games played to base those assumptions on. It's reasonable to assume he could and would have reached those marks

 

[blueblood70]

-Wentz didnt win squat
-Foles isn't even a starter and rode a situational coat tail
-eli is laughable right now
-smith is the true QB manager

Technically Dak is the best QB in the east hands down.

Not hands down but for sure Alex has to reprove himself on anew team and new system and Wentz well hes Romo until he does something in the post season, roles did that but roles is listed as the backup so he cant be in the conversation.. so I’d say Dak and wentz might have the upper hand but really this is wide open debate until the season unfolds.. dont count out Eli with a better line, OBJ happy, and that new RB Barkley. Seriously this can’t be debated given all the changes since last season..

 

[CharlieWhigg]

Actually MVP would have went to Watson if we are playing the not injury card

He would’ve been in it, but Watson had like five starts, and the league didn’t have a chance to figure him out. He’ll be a stud for a while, but he probably wouldn’t have sustained that production. Wentz played 12 games and was roughly tied with Brady at the time of injury. Brady had a slow December before exploding in the playoffs, so Wentz probably would’ve taken it home

That's speculation. Watson was ahead until he was injured

Speculation based on history. Most rookies, especially QB’s, run into the “rookie wall” as teams figure out how to best attack a player. The greats eventually overcome this wall, but very few are immune

 

[Irvin88_4life]

It's reasonable speculation based on what he did in 13 games. Just take his average for those stats for 13 games and factor in 16 games. It's not as if Wentz played 2 games and threw 5 TD's in 2 games and we are projecting that over 16 games. He and the Philly offence actually had 13 games played to base those assumptions on. It's reasonable to assume he could and would have reached those marks

Still speculation no matter how you dance around

 

[Irvin88_4life]

He would’ve been in it, but Watson had like five starts, and the league didn’t have a chance to figure him out. He’ll be a stud for a while, but he probably wouldn’t have sustained that production. Wentz played 12 games and was roughly tied with Brady at the time of injury. Brady had a slow December before exploding in the playoffs, so Wentz probably would’ve taken it home

Speculation based on history. Most rookies, especially QB’s, run into the “rookie wall” as teams figure out how to best attack a player. The greats eventually overcome this wall, but very few are immune

It's still speculation. Watson was ahead until his injury. That's facts. You have no idea if Watson would continue playing that well or not, the same for Wentz.

I kept hearing Dak would hit the rookie wall his first year too...... He only won 11 straight, which nobody QB in Dallas history has done, and 13-2 record.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

It's still speculation. Watson was ahead until his injury. That's facts. You have no idea if Watson would continue playing that well or not, the same for Wentz.

I kept hearing Dak would hit the rookie wall his first year too...... He only won 11 straight, which nobody QB in Dallas history has done, and 13-2 record.

He was not ahead, you keep saying stupid things expecting them to become correct eventually. It doesn’t work. Watson had zero chance to win the MVP on a 4-12 team. Unless you want to offer some imagined excuse why they wouldn’t have been 4-12 with Watson playing... but then now who would be speculating?

 

[HungryLion]

There’s a significant difference between having good players around you, and needing good players around you.

Who determines that difference?

 

[HungryLion]

So you would take Blunt and his 766 yards and 2 TD's last season and Jay Ajaye and his 408 yards (with Philly) and 1 TD's over what we had with Zeke and Morris last season?

The eagles had like 50 less rushing yards on the season than the cowboys. And they averaged the same YPC as a team, as the cowboys did. As a team.

So, their running game was just as good as ours....

 

[millennial_legend]

So AB sucks because without a QB, offensive line, and a RB, his offense wouldn't be very good?

Brilliant analysis.

AB doesn't suck, that's ludicrous to say. He's absolutely a top 3 receiver even when everyone in the NFL is healthy and 100%. I put him a peg behind a 100% Julio (not 2017 Julio) due to size, and then AB is neck-and-neck with a healthy OBJ.

But ranking him #2 over Rodgers and Brees is ridiculous when it's debatable that he's even the best player on his own team. Brown over Aaron Donald is iffy, too. Donald could get 20+ sacks as a freakin' DT this year playing next to Suh. Healthy Wentz is right there with Brees and Rodgers.

Bell to me is the #1 RB in the league because he's the only back that is also a great wide receiver, not just a screen and dump-off, short pass catcher. Also his deliberative unique running style just lulls defenses to sleep. Bell is so fun to watch, there's no back like him. I love Zeke, he's a better traditional runner than Bell but he's #2 because he doesn't have WR skills.

 

[mcmvp]

Who determines that difference?

The simplest way is to watch how D coordinators choose to attack a given offense. That tells the story well enough.

 

[CPanther95]

AB doesn't suck, that's ludicrous to say. He's absolutely a top 3 receiver even when everyone in the NFL is healthy and 100%. I put him a peg behind a 100% Julio (not 2017 Julio) due to size, and then AB is neck-and-neck with a healthy OBJ.

But ranking him #2 over Rodgers and Brees is ridiculous when it's debatable that he's even the best player on his own team. Brown over Aaron Donald is iffy, too. Donald could get 20+ sacks as a freakin' DT this year playing next to Suh. Healthy Wentz is right there with Brees and Rodgers.

Bell to me is the #1 RB in the league because he's the only back that is also a great wide receiver, not just a screen and dump-off, short pass catcher. Also his deliberative unique running style just lulls defenses to sleep. Bell is so fun to watch, there's no back like him. I love Zeke, he's a better traditional runner than Bell but he's #2 because he doesn't have WR skills.

I don't disagree.

You could certainly make a case that the Top 15 "most valuable" players in the league should all be QBs.

 

[millennial_legend]

I don't disagree.

You could certainly make a case that the Top 15 "most valuable" players in the league should all be QBs.

I don't quite agree with that, either. Sometimes the back makes the team/offense amazing -- the Steelers offense really struggles whenever Bell has missed time. (Eagles game 3 in 2016 is the prototype... a complete dud for the Steelers) ... Ben is a tier 2 quarterback at best and has been such since about 2011. Brown is a great receiver but without Bell they're not a playoff team. WRs don't win MVPs because great WRs simply can't carry a team the way a QB, back or even a great pass rusher can. Too many ways a defense can take that one WR out of the game if you don't have a good enough QB and more top WRs or specific skill WRs/TEs to go around.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

The eagles had like 50 less rushing yards on the season than the cowboys. And they averaged the same YPC as a team, as the cowboys did. As a team.

So, their running game was just as good as ours....

So would you take those 2 over Zeke? and do you think Dak would do as good with those 2 behind him then with Zeke behind him? I'm curious to know what you think about that

 

[Kevinicus]

Do you want a QB who got much much better his 2nd year in the leauge over his 1st or do you want a QB who regressed his 2nd season over his 1st? Give me the guy who improves alot over the guy who regresses alot. This is very important to consider when you take into consideration the amount of tape that teams have on a QB going into his 2nd season. Wentz was able to improve his game and Dak wasn't. What this really means is that what Dak does in his 3rd season will be who Dak is, hopefully he becomes the guy we saw in his rookie season

You would think this should be obvious.

 

[HungryLion]

So would you take those 2 over Zeke? and do you think Dak would do as good with those 2 behind him then with Zeke behind him? I'm curious to know what you think about that

I would take Zeke. I am only just saying, it’s closer than some people think.

If we were to argue whose supporting case I would
take. Either the Cowboys or Eagles in 2017. The answer would be the Eagles.

The eagles had a better supporting cast in total
Around Wentz, than the cowboys did around Dak. If you include all the positions and coaching.

That’s not to take anything away from Wentz. I’m not a Wentz detractor. I actually wanted the Cowboys to draft him and I think he is a good QB.

But I really do think his supporting cast last season was better than Dak’s......... actually I don’t think it, I know it.