I have Dak ranked 3rd in 2018 NFC East QBs

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Antonio Brown is soooooooooo overrated. He's a heck of a slot receiver who makes crazy catches in traffic that transcend his small size. But without Bell and that experienced QB, great O-line, the Steelers would be right there with the Bungles and Browns.

So when Bell missed the 1st 4 games of 2015 (suspension) and then at the end of Oct was lost for the season with a torn ACL, Brown still had his best season in the NFL with 136 catches and his QB (Big Ben) also missed 4 games that season. Brown is anything but overrated he is a top 3 receiver in the NFL and i would have no issue calling him #1. The Steelers still made the playoffs that season even without Bell for most of it and Big Ben missing 4 games. Browns 136 catch season probably had nothing to do with it!!. lol. The Steelers will never be the Browns or Bengals they are a too well run organization, if we were run that well we wouldn't be going on 25 years without a SB, or at least playing in a NFC championship game, we are closer to being the Bengals and Browns then the Steelers ever will be...and it sad for me to say that
 

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Actually MVP would have went to Watson if we are playing the not injury card

He would’ve been in it, but Watson had like five starts, and the league didn’t have a chance to figure him out. He’ll be a stud for a while, but he probably wouldn’t have sustained that production. Wentz played 12 games and was roughly tied with Brady at the time of injury. Brady had a slow December before exploding in the playoffs, so Wentz probably would’ve taken it home
 

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Antonio Brown is soooooooooo overrated. He's a heck of a slot receiver who makes crazy catches in traffic that transcend his small size. But without Bell and that experienced QB, great O-line, the Steelers would be right there with the Bungles and Browns.

I think it's the opposite. Brown makes Roethlisberger look better.

Brown is essentially uncoverable and demands attention from defenses at all levels of the field. As for Ben, despite having a terrific set of weapons and an excellent line, he was very inaccurate last year, especially on deeper throws. In fact, he had the lowest accuracy percentage in the league on throws past 5 yards (this is one of the major reasons why Martavis Bryant dissapointed last season).
 

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Possibly unpopular opinion: People were skeptical of Dak because of his great situation in 2016, but Wentz/Foles' situation in 2017 was better than Dak's in 2016.
 

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Possibly unpopular opinion: People were skeptical of Dak because of his great situation in 2016, but Wentz/Foles' situation in 2017 was better than Dak's in 2016.

Dak's 2016 was better than Wentz 2017.
 

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He would’ve been in it, but Watson had like five starts, and the league didn’t have a chance to figure him out. He’ll be a stud for a while, but he probably wouldn’t have sustained that production. Wentz played 12 games and was roughly tied with Brady at the time of injury. Brady had a slow December before exploding in the playoffs, so Wentz probably would’ve taken it home
That's speculation. Watson was ahead until he was injured
 

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1. Carson Wentz: clearly he is on the path to becoming the next Aaron Rodgers assuming his health holds up and last year's setback doesn't impede his path to greatness. He is an elite QB in every way and the Eagles moved up to draft the best NFC QB of this generation in the NFL.

2. Nick Foles: Impossible to argue with his incredible Eagles resume, from the ridiculous 2013 season in which he was the second best QB in the league (after taking over at 3-5 for a washed up Vick, he led the team to a 10-6 season) only because Peyton Manning had an NFL-record season -- to his virtuoso Super Bowl MVP 2017-18 playoff campaign which also included an absolute obliteration of the NFL's best defense in 2017, the Vikings. Foles may not be the mobile guy who can execute crazy throws on the run and scramble for big yards like Wentz, but he's a very accurate and clutch pocket passer with great presence and awareness. Also an easy guy to root for.

3. Dak Prescott: After an absolutely stellar rookie campaign, he had an average 2017 season, but that wasn't entirely his fault. Without his running mate nearly half the season, a broken offensive line and a top WR and TE on their last legs, Dak didn't have nearly enough help for him to achieve in 2017. This year, he has a plethora of good-enough receivers, the best back in the league is back 100%, the line should be dominant, and the offense should be very favorable to him. Barring injury, he will bounce back in a big way in 2018.

4. Eli Manning: Certainly, 2017 was a big-time down year for the two-time Super Bowl MVP and champion, but his pedigree, clutchness and hard-won experience gives him the edge over the last player on this list. Manning had arguably the worst offensive line in 2017, no running game, and a defense that could no longer consistently hold up their end of the bargain. With the addition of Nate Solder, Aaron Hernandez and Saquon Barkley, Manning should finally have competent enough pieces around him to make him not look like a broken down version of himself in 2018. They're still trotting out Ereck Flowers but at right tackle, however with the gauntlet of left side edge rushers in the division this could still be a large issue.

5. Alex Smith: One of the most overrated quarterbacks in the league, not merely currently but for a long time. The man tries hard and he protects the football, but he's definitely not an ideal franchise guy by any standards. His throw power is consistently among the worst in the league among starters (no secret) and he's certainly not the QB you want on your side if you're trailing. He's a cerebral player, a very solid bus driver and a nice front runner. Plays very well with the lead. His west coast throws are pinpoint accurate, but flooding the box and flats causes his offense to struggle. Sure, he might occasionally hit a big play if he has the right artillery around him (the Commanders don't at the moment) but his timidness and lack of an NFL arm make him only the fifth-best starting quarterback in the 2018 NFC East.
Way to further justify my curmudgeon dislike of millennials. Get off my lawn! :oldcouple:
 

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That's speculation. Watson was ahead until he was injured
lol, what? Speculation is projecting out the stats of a seven game stretch of a 4-12 team and saying it was an MVP season. Wentz received real MVP votes for just his 13 games. Watson had zero chance of winning the MVP.
 

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Most would disagree with this statement...

Accuracy and qb rating would disagree with yours.

Dak's 2016

CMP% - 67.8% (459 attempts)
Yds - 3,667

23 tds
4 ints
104.9 qb rating

Wentz 2017
CMP% - 60.2% (440 attempts)
Yds - 3,296

33 tds
7 ints
101.9 qb rating
 

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Accuracy and qb rating would disagree with yours.

Dak's 2016

CMP% - 67.8% (459 attempts)
Yds - 3,667

23 tds
4 ints
104.9 qb rating

Wentz 2017
CMP% - 60.2% (440 attempts)
Yds - 3,296

33 tds
7 ints
101.9 qb rating


Well projected out over 16 games for Wentz (cause he only played 13) it would be approx 4100 yards 40 TD's, 9 INT, we can leave the completion percentage and QB rating the same. Also he would have done all that with his top rusher gaining only 766 yards last season. Can you say Dak's numbers would be as good as they were in 2016 if his top running back only had 766 yards for the season? I can't
 

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Accuracy and qb rating would disagree with yours.

Dak's 2016

CMP% - 67.8% (459 attempts)
Yds - 3,667

23 tds
4 ints
104.9 qb rating

Wentz 2017
CMP% - 60.2% (440 attempts)
Yds - 3,296

33 tds
7 ints
101.9 qb rating

That’s nice and all, but football people dive a little deeper than that.
 

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lol. Football people who are biased as yourself? Thanxs for the laugh.

Football people like Andy Reid who had a QB with just about identical stats to Dak’s 2016 yet traded him away.

What were Dak’s 3rd down and red zone numbers in 2016? How did they compare to Wentz’s last year? You know...some of the metrics that really count (unlike completion percentage/passer rating on a team that ranked last in pass attempts and first in rush attempts)
 

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lol. Football people who are biased as yourself? Thanxs for the laugh.

Would it be biased to say that Dak regressed in 2016 while Wentz improved? Comparing 2016 for Dak to 2017 for Wentz is like comparing apples and oranges. I find it funny that in 2016 everyone was comparing Dak's rookie season to Wentz's and Goff's rookie seasons but in 2017 everybody was and still is comparing Dak 2016 season to Wentz's 2017 and Goff's 2017 season. Why not compare Dak's 2017 season to Wentz's and Goff's 2017 season? and you accuse others of being biased
 

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Football people like Andy Reid who had a QB with just about identical stats to Dak’s 2016 yet traded him away.

What were Dak’s 3rd down and red zone numbers in 2016? How did they compare to Wentz’s last year? You know...some of the metrics that really count (unlike completion percentage/passer rating on a team that ranked last in pass attempts and first in rush attempts)

Dak's redzone numbers went to Zeke running it in.
 

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Dak's redzone numbers went to Zeke running it in. Deal with it.

Good thing he had Zeke then because we all saw what happens to Dak without him, remember that franchise record Dak set in 2017, 3 consecutive games without a TD pass and 5 out of 7 games without a TD pass (this is what happens to Dak without Zeke). Dak did throw 1 in the last game of the season against the Eagles 2nd team defense. Maybe you should deal with it
 

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Good thing he had Zeke then because we all saw what happens to Dak without him, remember that franchise record Dak set in 2017, 3 consecutive games without a TD pass and 5 out of 7 games without a TD pass (this is what happens to Dak without Zeke). Dak did throw 1 in the last game of the season against the Eagles 2nd team defense. Maybe you should deal with it

This is basically the crux of the matter. Dak simply hasn’t had success without the running game support. There are QBs that can get their running game going because they loosened up run defenses with a successful passing game. I don’t think D coordinators view Dak as one of those guys.
 

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This is basically the crux of the matter. Dak simply hasn’t had success without the running game support. There are QBs that can get their running game going because they loosened up run defenses with a successful passing game. I don’t think D coordinators view Dak as one of those guys.

Here we go. Dak had this, Dak had that, Wentz is playing with scraps off the junkpile. lol. Why don't you point out that the Phily DEFENSE gave Wentz a shorter field to work with unlike Daks?
 

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This is basically the crux of the matter. Dak simply hasn’t had success without the running game support. There are QBs that can get their running game going because they loosened up run defenses with a successful passing game. I don’t think D coordinators view Dak as one of those guys.

They won't until he develops a consistant downfield passing game, which means everyting falls on Zeke and the O-Line and opposing D's proved they could stop that last season, now it's on the Cowboys and Dak to adjust to that in 2018, lets see what they bring to the table
 
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