I have Dak ranked 3rd in 2018 NFC East QBs

[PJTHEDOORS]

I think I've made my opinion clear on Mr. Prescott, but for those that don't know I haven't changed my mind. I still think he's a premium backup in this league along with guys like Foles. I'd give Foles the nod because he showed he's got nerves of steel, and doesn't choke in big games.

Wentz is clearly the future of the division, and I want him on this team. The Eagles clearly don't deserve a talent, and guy like him in that crappy city and jerk of an owner.

Having said that.

Wentz
Smith
Eli
And the rest.

lol. Everyone is Doc Brown.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Foles' fluke season was with a bad/young supporting cast around him and the pressure of the Chip Kelly offensive and being thrust into the middle of the season when the Eagles were 3-5 and headed for the tank.

Not only did he have a monster half a season (27/2/second best passing rating) but he led the Eagles from 3-5 to 10-6, the division title, and should have beaten the Saints if not for the fact their special teams kicked off to Sproles instead of kicking a touchback back in the days where that only meant giving up the 20 yard line.

I mean, that's one way of looking at it, but the reality is that in 2013 he had a passer rating of 119.2(!) and in 2012, 2014, 2015, 2016 and 2017 combined he had a passer rating of 78. Stevie Wonder could spot the fluke given this data.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Wentz probably wins MVP if he stays healthy, he's better than Dak. Although he could have a rough 2018, he tore his ACL in December and probably won't be 100% for the regular season. I don't know what to make of Foles, he was great in the playoff run and in 2013, but he's had some really low points too. Not sure how much of that is due to Jeff Fisher being the worst coach in history.
Eli sucks, Dak's clearly better. Smith made strides last year, who knows if he can keep that up. I have him right around Dak.
So to me Dak's probably the second or third best QB in the NFC East, depending on how Smith adjusts to life on another new roster

Actually MVP would have went to Watson if we are playing the not injury card

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Wasn't better in 2016. Last year, Dak before TSmith got hurt and Zeke's suspension was playing on a pro bowl level. Dak in 2 years play, even with the awful 2nd half, has been more accurate than Wentz. Dak gets trashed for his accuracy fallout from last year, but everyone ignores Wentz accuracy problems. Never ends.

Not only that but the Rodgers comparison is more funny cause we know how Wentz is in the clutch....... Pick

 

[Blue&Silver]

lol. Everyone is Doc Brown.

Dak is a great backup to which the perfect team can shield his weaknesses for a while. Dak ran a very conservative ball control offense in his first year, and showed no progression in his 2nd year. He's just never been any elite quarterback on any level what makes you think it's going to start in the pros? I mean at some point folks gotta be honest with themselves.

Wentz is the total package.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Dak is a great backup to which the perfect team can shield his weaknesses for a while. Dak ran a very conservative ball control offense in his first year, and showed no progression in his 2nd year. He's just never been any elite quarterback on any level what makes you think it's going to start in the pros? I mean at some point folks gotta be honest with themselves.

Wentz is the total package.

Wentz has a total package of what? Accuracy? Is that included? At some point will you be honest with yourself, or will you be blinded by his stronger arm and never see any flaws in his game as you do with Dak.

Dak's 2017 QB Rating vs Wentz 2016 QB Rating.

Dak - 86.6; Wentz - 79.3

Dak's 2016 QB Rating vs Wentz 2017 QB Rating.

Dak - 104.9; Wentz - 101.9

 

[millennial_legend]

I mean, that's one way of looking at it, but the reality is that in 2013 he had a passer rating of 119.2(!) and in 2012, 2014, 2015, 2016 and 2017 combined he had a passer rating of 78. Stevie Wonder could spot the fluke given this data.

2015 is out because of Jeff Fisher. Same goes for whatever crappy numbers Goff had his rookie season. Fisher is a team's worst offensive nightmare.

2016, he played what... two games as Alex Smith's backup...? And actually played well, within himself and ran Reid's weird offense not much differently than Smith, as per orders. Nothing to see there.

2017 he barely played and was awesome the two regular season games the Eagles actually cared about winning. For the last two, they basically were playing for pride as they already had the conference locked up. Foles was amazing in the playoffs, especially the last two games. Foles, not the defense, beat the *baaaa* goat Tom Brady.

2014 he played very well despite the numbers, he didn't have the weapons and luck he had in 2013 but he was still very good and was two goal line plays away from starting 9-0, was still a respectable 7-2 before suffering the midseason injury which cost the Eagles that season.

2012, he was a rookie and barely played. The team was going through a mass organizational change and the franchise was still 100% sold on Vick when he wasn't injured.


Foles is LEGIT, 'nuff said.

 

[HungryLion]

2015 is out because of Jeff Fisher. Same goes for whatever crappy numbers Goff had his rookie season. Fisher is a team's worst offensive nightmare.

2016, he played what... two games as Alex Smith's backup...? And actually played well, within himself and ran Reid's weird offense not much differently than Smith, as per orders. Nothing to see there.

2017 he barely played and was awesome the two regular season games the Eagles actually cared about winning. For the last two, they basically were playing for pride as they already had the conference locked up. Foles was amazing in the playoffs, especially the last two games. Foles, not the defense, beat the *baaaa* goat Tom Brady.

2014 he played very well despite the numbers, he didn't have the weapons and luck he had in 2013 but he was still very good and was two goal line plays away from starting 9-0, was still a respectable 7-2 before suffering the midseason injury which cost the Eagles that season.

2012, he was a rookie and barely played. The team was going through a mass organizational change and the franchise was still 100% sold on Vick when he wasn't injured.


Foles is LEGIT, 'nuff said.

Lol stop dude. He was not good in 2014. He was so
Not good, that the eagles decided to trade him in the off-season. Be real.

 

[mcmvp]

Lol stop dude. He was not good in 2014. He was so
Not good, that the eagles decided to trade him in the off-season. Be real.

This isn’t exactly saying anything. Let’s be real about this. It wasn’t ‘they’ who got rid of Foles. It was Chip Kelly. Just him. Same guy who traded Shady McCoy for Kiki ****** Alonzo. Don’t think you have much of a point with this one.

 

[HungryLion]

This isn’t exactly saying anything. Let’s be real about this. It wasn’t ‘they’ who got rid of Foles. It was Chip Kelly. Just him. Same guy who traded Shady McCoy for Kiki ****** Alonzo. Don’t think you have much of a point with this one.

I do have a point. Go back and watch the games. Look at his production.

It wasn’t a good season..... at all.

It’s fine to like Foles and think he’s a good QB. I think he is pretty good too. But he played poorly in 2014. It’s a fact.

It happens. He was a young QB.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

and last year's setback doesn't impede his path to greatness. He is an elite QB in every way and the Eagles moved up to draft the best NFC QB of this generation in the NFL.

I don’t even know how to respond but I’ll say this....you are fresking delusional!

 

[Blue&Silver]

Wentz has a total package of what? Accuracy? Is that included? At some point will you be honest with yourself, or will you be blinded by his stronger arm and never see any flaws in his game as you do with Dak.

Dak's 2017 QB Rating vs Wentz 2016 QB Rating.

Dak - 86.6; Wentz - 79.3

Dak's 2016 QB Rating vs Wentz 2017 QB Rating.

Dak - 104.9; Wentz - 101.9

Carson Wentz takes No. 3 spot in NFL Network's top 100
By Dave Zangaro | NBC Sports Philadelphia June 25, 2018 9:55 PM

Carson Wentz was putting together an incredible MVP-type season before he tore his ACL and LCL in December.

And the rest of the NFL took notice, putting him in the most elite category in the league.

The Eagles’ franchise quarterback has been voted by his peers as the No. 3 player in the NFL in 2018 on the NFL Network Top 100 list.
He absolutely deserves to be that high.

Wentz was ranked behind just Tom Brady (1) and Antonio Brown (2). Brady is first for the second straight season and hasn’t been below fourth on the list since it began in 2011. As long as Wentz returns to form after injury, that type of sustained success is in his future too.

Here's the full list of the top 10.

1. Tom Brady
2. Antonio Brown
3. Carson Wentz
4. Julio Jones
5. Le'Veon Bell
6. Todd Gurley
7. Aaron Donald
8. Drew Brees
9. Von Miller
10. Aaron Rodgers

Wentz, 25, is the only player in the top 10 who had never previously been on the top 100 list. So he went from triple digits to No. 3 in his second NFL season. Pretty impressive.

But really, Wentz’s ranking shouldn’t be all that surprising. Wentz was incredible before going down. You saw it. What he did on the field this season was magical.

In 13 games, he helped lead the Eagles to an 11-2 record, and completed 60 percent of his passes for over 3,200 yards and a franchise-record 33 touchdown passes. Just Russell Wilson (34 touchdowns) finished the season with more, and he needed three extra games to get there.

While Nick Foles finished the season and was incredible in the postseason, eventually winning the Super Bowl MVP, Wentz was tremendous before that. There’s a reason, the Eagles included Wentz in the playoff run and have made it clear he’s their franchise cornerstone.

Wentz was named to his first Pro Bowl team this season, but was beaten out by Brady for the nod as an All-Pro. Wentz was named to the All-Pro second team.

Wentz is the fifth and final member of the Super Bowl Eagles to make the list. And he’s the first in a while. It seems that for a championship team, the Eagles are light on representation.

3. Carson Wentz
68. Zach Ertz
69. Fletcher Cox
95. Lane Johnson
96. Malcolm Jenkins

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Carson Wentz takes No. 3 spot in NFL Network's top 100
By Dave Zangaro | NBC Sports Philadelphia June 25, 2018 9:55 PM

Carson Wentz was putting together an incredible MVP-type season before he tore his ACL and LCL in December.

And the rest of the NFL took notice, putting him in the most elite category in the league.

The Eagles’ franchise quarterback has been voted by his peers as the No. 3 player in the NFL in 2018 on the NFL Network Top 100 list.
He absolutely deserves to be that high.

Wentz was ranked behind just Tom Brady (1) and Antonio Brown (2). Brady is first for the second straight season and hasn’t been below fourth on the list since it began in 2011. As long as Wentz returns to form after injury, that type of sustained success is in his future too.

Here's the full list of the top 10.

1. Tom Brady
2. Antonio Brown
3. Carson Wentz
4. Julio Jones
5. Le'Veon Bell
6. Todd Gurley
7. Aaron Donald
8. Drew Brees
9. Von Miller
10. Aaron Rodgers

Wentz, 25, is the only player in the top 10 who had never previously been on the top 100 list. So he went from triple digits to No. 3 in his second NFL season. Pretty impressive.

But really, Wentz’s ranking shouldn’t be all that surprising. Wentz was incredible before going down. You saw it. What he did on the field this season was magical.

In 13 games, he helped lead the Eagles to an 11-2 record, and completed 60 percent of his passes for over 3,200 yards and a franchise-record 33 touchdown passes. Just Russell Wilson (34 touchdowns) finished the season with more, and he needed three extra games to get there.

While Nick Foles finished the season and was incredible in the postseason, eventually winning the Super Bowl MVP, Wentz was tremendous before that. There’s a reason, the Eagles included Wentz in the playoff run and have made it clear he’s their franchise cornerstone.

Wentz was named to his first Pro Bowl team this season, but was beaten out by Brady for the nod as an All-Pro. Wentz was named to the All-Pro second team.

Wentz is the fifth and final member of the Super Bowl Eagles to make the list. And he’s the first in a while. It seems that for a championship team, the Eagles are light on representation.

3. Carson Wentz
68. Zach Ertz
69. Fletcher Cox
95. Lane Johnson
96. Malcolm Jenkins

Someone just used the NFL top player list to try to make a point.

These forums should just burn, it's getting bad in here hahahaa.

Every single beat writer rips this list to shreds because of how bad it is.
Cancel the thread.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

This Wentz and Dak debate is really so simple.

Do you want a QB that has stayed healthy? Choose Dak
Do you want a QB that's been more accurate? Choose Dak
Do you want a QB that has produced more yards per pass thrown? Choose Dak
Do you want a QB who scores at a higher ratio, and turns the ball over less? Choose Dak
Do you want a QB that gets more rushing yards per attempt and 6x more rushing TDs than the other? Choose Dak
Do you want a QB that's won a higher % of his games? Choose Dak
Do you want a QB that's lead his team to 31 points in his first and only playoff game? Choose Dak

 

[millennial_legend]

Antonio Brown is soooooooooo overrated. He's a heck of a slot receiver who makes crazy catches in traffic that transcend his small size. But without Bell and that experienced QB, great O-line, the Steelers would be right there with the Bungles and Browns.

 

[millennial_legend]

It seems that for a championship team, the Eagles are light on representation.

3. Carson Wentz
68. Zach Ertz
69. Fletcher Cox
95. Lane Johnson
96. Malcolm Jenkins

Lane Johnson should be much higher. Peters is still up there and Kelce is somewhere in the 70-99 range as well. Brandon Graham should be in the mix.

On the lighter side, it seems they gave Cox #69 on purpose.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Same goes for homerism for any team but Dallas, has talent. You haven't even seen the Boys and their new wr additions (Hurns, Gallup, CWilson, Thompson) play 1 preseason game yet, much less regular season game, yet you know for fact that that their WR depth isn't up to par to other NFC East teams.

Absence of proof is not proof. We don't know for a fact Dallas won't meet the Cleveland Browns in the super bowl either.

All we can do is look at past performance at the NFL level and rank based on that. We have a bottom 5 wr core on paper. That does not mean they can't be better than that. There just isn't a whole lot reason to think otherwise given the 2017 passing performance of Dak who struggled to break 200 yards most games.

 

[Sepia]

Antonio Brown is soooooooooo overrated. He's a heck of a slot receiver who makes crazy catches in traffic that transcend his small size. But without Bell and that experienced QB, great O-line, the Steelers would be right there with the Bungles and Browns.

How about Julio being number 4 despite only having 3 TDs?

 

[Corso]

1. Carson Wentz: clearly he is on the path to becoming the next Aaron Rodgers assuming his health holds up and last year's setback doesn't impede his path to greatness. He is an elite QB in every way and the Eagles moved up to draft the best NFC QB of this generation in the NFL.

2. Nick Foles: Impossible to argue with his incredible Eagles resume, from the ridiculous 2013 season in which he was the second best QB in the league (after taking over at 3-5 for a washed up Vick, he led the team to a 10-6 season) only because Peyton Manning had an NFL-record season -- to his virtuoso Super Bowl MVP 2017-18 playoff campaign which also included an absolute obliteration of the NFL's best defense in 2017, the Vikings. Foles may not be the mobile guy who can execute crazy throws on the run and scramble for big yards like Wentz, but he's a very accurate and clutch pocket passer with great presence and awareness. Also an easy guy to root for.

3. Dak Prescott: After an absolutely stellar rookie campaign, he had an average 2017 season, but that wasn't entirely his fault. Without his running mate nearly half the season, a broken offensive line and a top WR and TE on their last legs, Dak didn't have nearly enough help for him to achieve in 2017. This year, he has a plethora of good-enough receivers, the best back in the league is back 100%, the line should be dominant, and the offense should be very favorable to him. Barring injury, he will bounce back in a big way in 2018.

4. Eli Manning: Certainly, 2017 was a big-time down year for the two-time Super Bowl MVP and champion, but his pedigree, clutchness and hard-won experience gives him the edge over the last player on this list. Manning had arguably the worst offensive line in 2017, no running game, and a defense that could no longer consistently hold up their end of the bargain. With the addition of Nate Solder, Aaron Hernandez and Saquon Barkley, Manning should finally have competent enough pieces around him to make him not look like a broken down version of himself in 2018. They're still trotting out Ereck Flowers but at right tackle, however with the gauntlet of left side edge rushers in the division this could still be a large issue.

5. Alex Smith: One of the most overrated quarterbacks in the league, not merely currently but for a long time. The man tries hard and he protects the football, but he's definitely not an ideal franchise guy by any standards. His throw power is consistently among the worst in the league among starters (no secret) and he's certainly not the QB you want on your side if you're trailing. He's a cerebral player, a very solid bus driver and a nice front runner. Plays very well with the lead. His west coast throws are pinpoint accurate, but flooding the box and flats causes his offense to struggle. Sure, he might occasionally hit a big play if he has the right artillery around him (the Commanders don't at the moment) but his timidness and lack of an NFL arm make him only the fifth-best starting quarterback in the 2018 NFC East.

You're also the goober who suggested Chaz get traded for a 3rd rounder.
Among other incredibly strange and gooberish threads that turned you into a joke rather quickly.

You have a serious hole to dig out from, my friend, and it's going to take some time to do so.
Unless you desire to embrace that persona that has been cultivated and be a monstrous goofball that nobody takes seriously at all times.

Brave stance...

 

[CPanther95]

Antonio Brown is soooooooooo overrated. He's a heck of a slot receiver who makes crazy catches in traffic that transcend his small size. But without Bell and that experienced QB, great O-line, the Steelers would be right there with the Bungles and Browns.

So AB sucks because without a QB, offensive line, and a RB, his offense wouldn't be very good?

Brilliant analysis.