NFL teams made more money but only because current contract not affected by ratings decline yet

[Diehardblues]

who needs it?
you can see any game you want via streaming.

How does that work in a Sports Bar set up with multiple TV’s.

 

[jterrell]

Obvious things:
1. The salary cap increased again. Until it decreases the NFL has made more money. Even average fans should be able to follow that.
2. The NFL is still the content king. Advertisers and networks realize this.
3. Ratings declining on one medium doesn't mean that viewership shrunk.
4. Any attempted boycott would have to last 3-5 years to have any real net benefit to teams or players.
5. Can you imagine being the Philly fan who boycotted last year? Wow....
6. It has always been entertainment.
7. Those who have lived through a lock out and scab players realize you can very much tell when you remove the stars and play spares. Else the CFL would be far more popular.

 

[jterrell]

How does that work in a Sports Bar set up with multiple TV’s.

guess it depends how many jailbroken firesticks you have. lol. ---20 bucks on prime day
what people do at home now will eventually become common place in enterprises as well.
i have directv, my secondary TVs all have streamed data from the main set top box.
Only one connects to the wall for more than power.

 

[jterrell]

And that’s the bottom line. I’m glad there’s an option if your more cost aware.

But it’s an Expense I justify with my priorities in life. I’m like what else can I buy sports related . I’m a sports TV Junkie.

I currently have 5 Tv’s in Cave and looking to see how I can add another one. Each bedroom has one , living area and patio. Direct TV loves me. It’s just not an expense which curbs my enthusiasm. Lol

Plus thru AT&T I can record or watch any recording I’ve made on any device anywhere without using data.

i spend a fortune on entertainment and have everything. but my kids use zero cable/satellite.
they watch the office for the 48757557th time or whatever on youtube, hulu, netflix.
they watch as much on their phones, macbooks or tables as they do their TVs.

any college kid can get buy with a 20 dollar firestick and a netflix subscription they share with their parents.

 

[Diehardblues]

guess it depends how many jailbroken firesticks you have. lol. ---20 bucks on prime day
what people do at home now will eventually become common place in enterprises as well.
i have directv, my secondary TVs all have streamed data from the main set top box.
Only one connects to the wall for more than power.

I have 5 TV in my Sports Cave with two Direct TV recievers. Each reciever allows 3 Genies. In other words I can have 5 different games on with same basic service not needed for each unit while being able to watch same or different programming throughout other rooms and on the patio. I have a total of 8 different TV’s going on at any particular time.

Does streaming allow for this mass type of broadcasting on each TV in the house thru same service or do I have to fidgit with each one during streaming?

 

[GenoT]

From a source (De@d Sp!n) that is, apparently, not allowed to be directly linked on CZ ...

Please note: all embedded links have been blocked by CZ, but exist on the host site.
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Here are some facts: The NFL’s ratings declined 9% in 2017, and 8% in 2016. In the prized 18-45 demographic, the NFL declined 12% in 2017. Here’s how some TV networks you probably watch—or used to watch—fared in 2017, according to Nielsen 18-49 data:

• NBC: down 19%
  
• Fox: down 8%
  
• CBS: down 19%
  
• ABC: down 15%
• Univision: down 18%
  
• CW: down 15%
  
• TBS: down 11%
  
• Adult Swim: down 16%
  
• AMC: down 20%
  
• FX: down 14%
  
• Food Network: down 10%
  
• Lifetime: down 21%
  
• Comedy Central: down 18%
  
• Spike TV: down 24%
  
• Disney Channel: down 24%
  
• E!: down 18%

...and so on. (ESPN, you’ll recall, actually gained a few viewers.) There were nearly 500 scripted series aired on U.S. TV in 2017, more than double the number that aired in 2009.Netflix, Amazon Prime, and Hulu are driving this massive increase in available programming, and nearly every broadcast network is taking it on the chin as a result. Overall, broadcast networks lost 16% of their viewers in 2017; cable networks lost 11%. And that’s using Nielsen’s “C3" ratings formula, which counts DVR viewings. The NFL only lost 9%.

The NFL’s ratings have fallen substantially less than TV as a whole. Indeed, Sunday Night Football remained the highest-rated show for the seventh straight season. Ten years ago, it didn’t even crack the top 10. Monday Night Football’s viewership fell, but only by 3%.

Are NFL ratings down? Yes, but only if you don’t compensate for the overall decline in TV viewers due to streaming services, et cetera. If you do compensate for the overall decline in TV viewers, NFL ratings are up.

The NFL’s share of a rapidly-shrinking TV audience grew in 2016, and it grew by an even larger amount in 2017. As a percentage of people who are watching television, the NFL is commanding its biggest audience in the history of the league.

I’ll repeat it:

• Broadcast TV networks lost 16% of their viewers,
  
• Cable networks lost 11% of their viewers,
  
• The NFL lost 9% of its viewers.

 

[Diehardblues]

From a source (De@d Sp!n) that is, apparently, not allowed to be directly linked on CZ ...

Please note: all embedded links have been blocked by CZ, but exist on the host site.
______________________________________

Here are some facts: The NFL’s ratings declined 9% in 2017, and 8% in 2016. In the prized 18-45 demographic, the NFL declined 12% in 2017. Here’s how some TV networks you probably watch—or used to watch—fared in 2017, according to Nielsen 18-49 data:

• NBC: down 19%
  
• Fox: down 8%
  
• CBS: down 19%
  
• ABC: down 15%
• Univision: down 18%
  
• CW: down 15%
  
• TBS: down 11%
  
• Adult Swim: down 16%
  
• AMC: down 20%
  
• FX: down 14%
  
• Food Network: down 10%
  
• Lifetime: down 21%
  
• Comedy Central: down 18%
  
• Spike TV: down 24%
  
• Disney Channel: down 24%
  
• E!: down 18%

...and so on. (ESPN, you’ll recall, actually gained a few viewers.) There were nearly 500 scripted series aired on U.S. TV in 2017, more than double the number that aired in 2009.Netflix, Amazon Prime, and Hulu are driving this massive increase in available programming, and nearly every broadcast network is taking it on the chin as a result. Overall, broadcast networks lost 16% of their viewers in 2017; cable networks lost 11%. And that’s using Nielsen’s “C3" ratings formula, which counts DVR viewings. The NFL only lost 9%.

The NFL’s ratings have fallen substantially less than TV as a whole. Indeed, Sunday Night Football remained the highest-rated show for the seventh straight season. Ten years ago, it didn’t even crack the top 10. Monday Night Football’s viewership fell, but only by 3%.

Are NFL ratings down? Yes, but only if you don’t compensate for the overall decline in TV viewers due to streaming services, et cetera. If you do compensate for the overall decline in TV viewers, NFL ratings are up.

The NFL’s share of a rapidly-shrinking TV audience grew in 2016, and it grew by an even larger amount in 2017. As a percentage of people who are watching television, the NFL is commanding its biggest audience in the history of the league.

I’ll repeat it:

• Broadcast TV networks lost 16% of their viewers,
  
• Cable networks lost 11% of their viewers,
  
• The NFL lost 9% of its viewers.

Id conclude this makes the NFL more valuable than ever to the Networks.

 

[Diehardblues]

I mean it in terms of what pro head coaches are these days.

They wield little power, making a fraction of what their star players make. GMs do the personnel stuff. Head coaches are largely interchangeable with the same guys just moving around the league. If you have a great quarterback, you get to be Mike McCarthy and Mike Tomlin. If you don't, you're John Fox and Marvin Lewis. This is a quarterback-driven league.

Now, college head coaches are supremely valuable because they put recruit and carry huge power throughout the entire program.

Then your assuming HC like Jimmy had little or no influence building their rosters ?

And then had little influence in the schemes , motivation and drive of their teams.

I get what your saying and I agree with the basis of their worth and why they’re paid accordingly but to dismiss it doesn’t matter is falling short.

Of course the talent is the over riding issue but assembling, developing , maintaining and mobilizing that talent is a worthy needed contribution which Id argue most HC have quite an influence with.

 

[buybuydandavis]

You guys have zero ideas how contracts work......bunch of NFL cheerleaders....they can do no wrong in your loving eyes

You know that Netflix just had record revenue but missed subscriber estimates by 700k and the stock tumbled 15%+

The TV deals have been locked in for years at staggered and pre-set increases

Even GB admits it took in less money at Lambeau

The NFL can be #1 and slipping at the same time....and a 20% drop is not a death blow but it is real

But keep your pom poms dry......Goodell needs ya

The NFL lost eyeballs last year. They lost a lot of goodwill with fans. Sure, it still makes money but much of that revenue stream was already set in stone. Where they are going to lose money is on the next contract. Not that the absolute value will go down, but they will see less of an increase than they would have without the anthem protests.

It's like Star Wars. It should have been kachunking out 2billion a pop movies.

The first of the new Star Wars movies didn't lose money. But revenue drops on the next and next and next purchase as they continued to piss off fans.

Now Solo is actually going to lose money. That's just incredible. He's probably the most popular Star Wars character, and they're losing money on his movie. And most reports were that the movie itself wasn't that bad. They'd just lost the audience with the previous movies.

I'll probably go out and see Solo just because I've got MoviePass. But notice how long I haven't even gotten around to it? I think I saw The Force Awakens on the first night.

And I didn't watch a minute of NFL playoffs last year out of spite.

Piss off your customers, lose your customers.

 

[buybuydandavis]

The NFL is still a giant. Don't let the social media posts and media fool you who are trying to push this agenda that the NFL is failing. It is still a cash cow.

It is a cash cow. But less of one than it would have been without the anthem protests.

 

[jterrell]

I have 5 TV in my Sports Cave with two Direct TV recievers. Each reciever allows 3 Genies. In other words I can have 5 different games on with same basic service not needed for each unit while being able to watch same or different programming throughout other rooms and on the patio. I have a total of 8 different TV’s going on at any particular time.

Does streaming allow for this mass type of broadcasting on each TV in the house thru same service or do I have to fidgit with each one during streaming?

it can yes. your limit would be through bandwidth on the internet but with that set up i am guessing you pay for a very fast internet connection anyways.
in my house we often had 3 or 4 different streaming sources going at once and when people visit it can be a lot more than that as everyone on their phone on facebook/twitter or whatever and teenagers are in rooms streaming music or video.
i still keep directv myself and use it so can see the benefit but i am not worried about the cost at this time.

 

[hornitosmonster]

Ratings can't keep dropping at the rate it has been. The network will feel it when the ad money price starts dropping because of ratings.

 

[Nightman]

From a source (De@d Sp!n) that is, apparently, not allowed to be directly linked on CZ ...

Please note: all embedded links have been blocked by CZ, but exist on the host site.
______________________________________

Here are some facts: The NFL’s ratings declined 9% in 2017, and 8% in 2016. In the prized 18-45 demographic, the NFL declined 12% in 2017. Here’s how some TV networks you probably watch—or used to watch—fared in 2017, according to Nielsen 18-49 data:

• NBC: down 19%
  
• Fox: down 8%
  
• CBS: down 19%
  
• ABC: down 15%
• Univision: down 18%
  
• CW: down 15%
  
• TBS: down 11%
  
• Adult Swim: down 16%
  
• AMC: down 20%
  
• FX: down 14%
  
• Food Network: down 10%
  
• Lifetime: down 21%
  
• Comedy Central: down 18%
  
• Spike TV: down 24%
  
• Disney Channel: down 24%
  
• E!: down 18%

...and so on. (ESPN, you’ll recall, actually gained a few viewers.) There were nearly 500 scripted series aired on U.S. TV in 2017, more than double the number that aired in 2009.Netflix, Amazon Prime, and Hulu are driving this massive increase in available programming, and nearly every broadcast network is taking it on the chin as a result. Overall, broadcast networks lost 16% of their viewers in 2017; cable networks lost 11%. And that’s using Nielsen’s “C3" ratings formula, which counts DVR viewings. The NFL only lost 9%.

The NFL’s ratings have fallen substantially less than TV as a whole. Indeed, Sunday Night Football remained the highest-rated show for the seventh straight season. Ten years ago, it didn’t even crack the top 10. Monday Night Football’s viewership fell, but only by 3%.

Are NFL ratings down? Yes, but only if you don’t compensate for the overall decline in TV viewers due to streaming services, et cetera. If you do compensate for the overall decline in TV viewers, NFL ratings are up.

The NFL’s share of a rapidly-shrinking TV audience grew in 2016, and it grew by an even larger amount in 2017. As a percentage of people who are watching television, the NFL is commanding its biggest audience in the history of the league.

I’ll repeat it:

• Broadcast TV networks lost 16% of their viewers,
  
• Cable networks lost 11% of their viewers,
  
• The NFL lost 9% of its viewers.

The NFL is supposed to be immune to slumps and cherry picking the 18-45 conveniently misses those that walked away for good

TV doesn't pay sitcoms and cable the money they pay for the NFL.....piss poor excuse

 

[Nightman]

The NFL lost eyeballs last year. They lost a lot of goodwill with fans. Sure, it still makes money but much of that revenue stream was already set in stone. Where they are going to lose money is on the next contract. Not that the absolute value will go down, but they will see less of an increase than they would have without the anthem protests.

It's like Star Wars. It should have been kachunking out 2billion a pop movies.

The first of the new Star Wars movies didn't lose money. But revenue drops on the next and next and next purchase as they continued to piss off fans.

Now Solo is actually going to lose money. That's just incredible. He's probably the most popular Star Wars character, and they're losing money on his movie. And most reports were that the movie itself wasn't that bad. They'd just lost the audience with the previous movies.

I'll probably go out and see Solo just because I've got MoviePass. But notice how long I haven't even gotten around to it? I think I saw The Force Awakens on the first night.

And I didn't watch a minute of NFL playoffs last year out of spite.

Piss off your customers, lose your customers.

Amen........ you can be king and still be slippin

They cancelled the Chewy movie after Solo bombed making 211m......lol

 

[MarcusRock]

Ratings can't keep dropping at the rate it has been. The network will feel it when the ad money price starts dropping because of ratings.

This I agree with for future prospects. But the whole story about a bunch of foot-stamping drama queens bringing the NFL powerhouse to its knees is rubbish. I'll bet most of them never even boycotted. All talk, no action.

 

[Nightman]

This I agree with for future prospects. But the whole story about a bunch of foot-stamping drama queens bringing the NFL powerhouse to its knees is rubbish. I'll bet most of them never even boycotted. All talk, no action.

You keep saying Drama Queens but they are real, pissed off Baby Boomers and some GenX

Don't know why you are having such a hard time with it..... the boycott is real, is large and is permanent

I know these people and they aren't Queens......... you wouldnt say it to their faces that is for sure

 

[GenoT]

The NFL is supposed to be immune to slumps and cherry picking the 18-45 conveniently misses those that walked away for good

TV doesn't pay sitcoms and cable the money they pay for the NFL.....piss poor excuse

Then give us some better numbers...with linked sources.

 

[MarcusRock]

Then give us some better numbers...with linked sources.

The numbers are people they know. And they're steamin' mad and not coming back I tells ya. LOL.

 

[ESisback]

Amen........ you can be king and still be slippin

They cancelled the Chewy movie after Solo bombed making 211m......lol

Remember the “Olden Days”, when 211 million was a HUGE hit? Greed...(heavy sigh)...

 

[visionary]

Ratings decline is a garbage issue pointed to by people with an agenda that can't be discussed on this forum . TV ratings are declining because of no other reason than younger people consume media and sports very differently than older folks due to streaming and social media
I predict that in the next contract the NFL will make even more money and it has nothing to do with the idea that the current decline is not factored in the current contract